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Sonii

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Posted: 14 years ago

#21

Nikki CV's are idiots dont say sorry to them...😳

That was really lame reason to start a fight 😆

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Aisha

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Posted: 14 years ago

#22

I had little respect saved for that lady but now I have lost it too.She is behaving like a 15 years immatured teenage girls who creates a havoc if their boyfriends are even 5 minutes late.Come on Archana.earning money is nothing bad if you do it in a right way.You need money to survive.Manav is not sprnding time in a bar or a disco.He is building his career.A person has every right to shape his career.It is also important as maintaining family relatonships.And Archana very well knows that the main reason behind this change in Manav is his child's death.so if she really loves Manav she should let Manav to get out of the guilty and again live a normal life.The vhild was in Archana's womb but it always seemed that the child's heart is beating inside Manav.Normally a mother is the most affected by her child's death but here it is the father who has been ruined after his child's death.Archana only wants to dance in rain with manav.Neither she understands love neither motherhood.

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Tanyaz

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Posted: 14 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: nikitagmc
@

. He went to Sulo's b'day too. It is the difference in approaches I'm trying to point out- difference in the way Manav and Archana are trying to resolve the situation.

Ok, I get it ..

I hope they both make it up but I think this is the start of ther problems ...

But Manav has to realize one thing ...

Archna is a very different sort of a girl..Where there were good things being married to her ( she always loved him no matter what he did, neevr asked for anything etc etc ...) there are some wrong things too..This girl has some strange kind of obsession with this guy ..She is thinking about him all day long ...

And she will keep doing it ...😕

So keeping this in mind , he will have to stay in touch with her during his day , however small contact ...he should know her by now how she is ...

anyway , let's see if they make it up or there is another drama coming up ...😆

Edited by Tanyaz - 14 years ago

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#24

Archana wants a perpetual honeymoon and its downright unrealistic.

As niki said very rightly ...honeymoon period is over .

It ends for ALL . Saying that husband does not love you like before coz he does not run behind you on terraces with songs ringing in the head anymore or does not do eye locks with you for eternity is immature .

Love changes its form , bas . Today Manav's love is expressing itself by putting up a fight for Archana's self respect . He told this to her ...that I am doing it for ur SWABHIMAAN .For u .People should respect u as my Wife , not take u for granted anymore .

In ten years from now Love shows its form by demanding that the children respect the spouse ...the wife ...by putting foot down as a father when the grown up children disrespect her by asserting independence .

Ten years later than that , Love shows its form by providing for wife in the will so that she does not lack anything when he is not there and does not have to look at the children's faces for survival if he is gone .

All these are forms of LOVE only . Only teenagerish romance and daily sex is not love . Defining it that way is juvenile .

When the forms of love displace each other They do not displace the REAL THING itself . It was evident from the way he looked at her that the real thing still is very much there . I don't think it will ever go . EVER .

It is SHE who needs the growing up and it is she who needs a lecture . NOT HE .

Her ideas of love are very childish and filmy . He should live with her in abject poverty , do Archana Archana the full day , tag behind her like a puppy to her ill mannered maayka and get royally insulted by each of her family [ turn by turn ...every fortnight its a new member] and not mind a bit and she in turn will put up with his mom by patronising her as the rest of his family worship her anyways . And while she patronises his mom the rest of his family including him should look at her with loving , understanding eyes , hailing her as the Devi .

And thats enough for her . No economic development , no emotional respect , low self esteem for both , no problems solved ...and she feels THATS GREAT . She feels THATS MARITAL LIFE .

When he tries for the first time in life to CHANGE it all , she feels insecure . Why ? Coz now SHE is not the CENTRE of ATTRACTION . She HATES it that something else is the centre of his attraction ...his career . A new goal .

When Shravani was pregnant and his brother's child had become his centre of attraction she had done everything to regain his emotional control and become the centre of attraction once more . Those 3 months were nothing but THAT .

I am not criticizing Archana here . Thats simply the way she is as a character . I see her that way only . Attention seeker ...be it Manav or Sulochana . She advises sisters not to give Sulochana tension but unburdens all her problems to her and hogs her attention .

I did NOT LIKE it that Manav was shown as DEFENSIVE for his change . They should show him UNREPENTANT for the change in him .

They should show him telling her , Oh Yeah ? Then what do u want for us ...the same life we led for two years ? The horror story of walking on footpaths , working as waiter for ur arrogant sister's parties and losing EVERYTHINg ...money , self respect and all , including my baby ?

Does not the death of that baby mean anything to u ? Does not that death warrant any change in us ?

What kind of a mother are YOU then ?

If u feel I have Changed , YES I HAVE CHANGED . And YOU KNOW WHAT , THIS IS THE WAY IT WILL ALWAYS BE NOW . That baby meant something to me at least . I will not stand by and let its death be trivialized like the rest of the insults I suffered at your maayka .

I had two ways ...sinking in depression and feeling impotent and committing suicide .

OR ...fighting the circumstances themselves and changing them .

I chose the LATTER .

Now if u feel I have changed and don't love u , thats YOUR PROBLEM . I know that I love u and thats enough for me .

This is what Manav should say .Not stutter defensively .

Btw ...On VAT POURNIMA DAY , Archana displayed no UNDERSTANDING of where Manav came from . It was all about HERSELF . What kind of VAT POURNIMA is this ? Does she even know the story of Savitri's immense understanding and patience ?

At least on THIS day she should have simply loved Manav for what he was rather than what SHE wanted him to be .

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Tanyaz

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Posted: 14 years ago

#25

Very good post Kool..I agree t oa lot of things you have said just thought that you were just a little more harsh on Archana than I felt ..I say this because it is shown that Archana has complained to manav for the first time properly after 4 years ..and all this time she was just keeping quiet and not complaining if he was not calling her and all that ...

Even a sensible practical girl like ashna said that if she was in Archana's place then she would have killed her husband ...

Other than that I agree with yo uthat Archana is in love with manav in a strange way and definitely she is obsessed with him ...She thinks about him all the day and that is not healthy ..She must stop thinking about him so much .He is doing just fine ...

Even when she was not with him ( that one year ) she was only thinking about him and smiling at his thoughts only ...so how can this be a normal human being ...she actuall y is one of those who beleives in janam janam ka saath ...

He has moved on , she hasn't ...

The fact is that yes, something in his life is more important to him than anything else and that is his work ...He still loves her but his work has given him the satisfaction, the money the respect that he so desperately wanted ...

It is given him a new reason to live because otherwise he was ready to give up on life ...

For her , even losing her baby was not bad enough as she was just hung up on him only ...

Her total obsession is with Manav only , not even with her own kids or Sachu or anyone else ...

Yes, Mnava should be very very firm ...I said that before also , Manav should love her , not spoil her ...

he should be firm with her that he will work and she has to learn to be happy with this way of life now ...

But at the same time , tell her that he will call her at least once every day ...and then do it ...

I hope you don't mind me disagreeing just a bit but I think Archu has been trying to adjust as well.Plus she has done a very good thing with sachu , the way she has raised him with so much love and care ...She was busy with him as well...

Now it seems that she has complained for the first time as aashna had said to manav ' Finally your wife has complained ' .

Other than tha tI agree with almost very thing ...very good post ...

Manav must be firm with her about his job and tell her that he is very happy with his work and she should stop feeling this way ...

Edited by Tanyaz - 14 years ago

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xyzee

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Posted: 14 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: ..Sonii..
I am with Manav here...

Manav has got the opportunity he was waiting long time, after infinite struggle,

If Archana knows Manav well she would have realized how much he is slogging day and night, she should be happy that Manav is getting all what he wants and he is providing the basics of life...

by this time she should have got idea that financial stability is a must!!!!

Both must be proud of their life they are living today

To earn all the faith and trust Manav has worked and is working hard, after some time they will stabilize, this much cant be understood By her...

He is doing all good work, nothing to get ashamed that she is so sad

Its as if Archana wants some or other reason to remain dukhi all the time...He still cares for his mother came for party...what else you want?

Change is a rule, you cant deny, If he became rich that too is a change,...accept and try to bring that change in yourself too, but alas, in this four years, Archana isnt able to adjust herself in the situation...

Manav cared for her so he comes all the way worried from work, he already has a lot of tension yaar, aur mat tension do usko...

If Archana supports him and encourages him definitely all will be happy...

👏👏Totally agree. Even I feel change is the only constant in life! So accept it and realize your husband deep down is still the same, not a cruel man who would kill for money!

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#27

.I say this because it is shown that Archan has complained to manav for the firs time properly after 4 years ..and all this time she was just keeping quiet and not complaining if he was not calling her and all that ...

Even a sensible practical girl like ashna said that if she was in Archana's place then she would have killed her husband ...

She has complained for the first time coz for the first time , SHE is not hogging his attention . Something else is . And she will lay guilt trips upon guilt trips on him , mark my words .

The only other time this happened was when he was focussed on the unborn Sachu . That time she was in no position to throw guilt trips on him as SHE was only guilty in a way as HER family was very much involved in Sachin's death . So She got his attention back in ANOTHER way . She fought Shrvani for emotional control not legal control . And then when she was assured she had it , she left him , saying to Shravani ...You can have him now , he is all yours but spiritually , emotionally we will NEVER BE APART .

Ashna has put up with DK very well . DK is no Manav , she leads a far more difficult life yet her maturity level is higher .

Sachu's matter should not be confused with this husband wife relationship status .Its a totally seperate issue . Archana is basically a good human being Tanya , no one will ever dispute that . She will treat Sachu well only . I am talking of her as a spouse and what her expectations are . She will treat Manavs mom well , his brothers child well , his drunkard father well . No two words about that . Thats coz she loves him . He did the same with her family too , right ? He too loves her .

I am talking about her concept of love . She has foolishly chosen to listen to that Sukriti who was obviously not getting any and poisoned her at the outset by filling her head with unreal rubbish , glorifying poverty and criticizing the attempts to become rich by telling her it would take its toll on her marraige . What Archana needs to understand is Manav NEEDS to do this .

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Tanyaz

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Posted: 14 years ago

#28

Oh yeah ...she is foolish , that is very true ..and not just foolish , she is strange ..As if from some other times ... her character has been written in a way as if she would probably been in love with the character of Manav for the past few janams ... Any normal woman would be interested in her own children ..Ok so she gave Soham to Varsha , it has been 3 years , wh y not have another one ...but she just has no interest in anyone besides Manav .

Not even in her children ...😕

You know Kool, post leap , every character has shown to have moved on ...

Manav ...his job has become his priority in life ...

Satish and Varsha ...totally in love with Soham ..

Savita and damodar ..Loving their new rich lifestyle

Dharmesh vaishali ..all the kids and their married life .

Manju and Vinod ...their two girls ..

Sulochna ..Coping with life wihout hubby .

the only one who looks totally fixated to where she was 4 years ago is Archana ..Four years ago she told manav ...you work and I will sit and look at you ...after four years she still is shown not eating ...thinking if he has eaten or not ...she does a lot for everyone ...but her mind and her heart is only with manav ...

But one thing for sure ...

Manav has moved on .And I am happy for him.It is great to see him in good clothes and acting bossy on Dharmesh ...

For Manav the most important thing in his life is now his work ...his baby's death has made him this way ...it has snapped him out of this love phase he was in and made him see life for what it is ...

he stil lloves his wife and values the fact that when no one was there , she was ...but his no. 1 priority in life now is money ...

the biggest damage to his characeter will be done when he will be shown as Soham's father ...

A totall yunrealistic and uncalled for track ...only forced in by Ekta kapoor to create bekaar ka drama and a conflict that could make this show drag for another 6 months ...

I could have understood Archana doing something so foolish but manav ...no way ...but Ekta is the boss...what can the writers do ...

The show would have done just fine had they shown the conflict between the husband and wife and their different ideologies and how two people so desperately in love have just grown away fro meach other ..

Have yo useen Brabara Steisand and Robert Redford's The way we were... you know something like that ...

But Ekta had to force this third class baby gifting track and ruin manav and Archana so bad ...😡

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#29

Yes . But they have a very crude level of script writing Tanya . If they had done what u suggested , it wud have become a classy show . Two people in love drifting apart HELPLESSLY , but still loving each other deeply . See the paradox and how thrilling it even sounds . But the script writers of PR do not have that acumen ...plainly . They will show this track as Manav doing something REAL BAD by opting for money . Already they are showing him stuttering defensively . And they will keep showing happy poor families . [ I am YET to see one .}

Archana 's initial POV was only poisoned by Sukriti . I am not even saying Sukriti set out to poison her . She is a good female , with her own personal issues , bas . But what she told Archana at the outset of this phase of her life made a deep impact on her . It shook her happy frame of mind and sowed a seed of doubt and insecurity in her mind . That is steadily growing into a tree now . She has lost capacity to welcome the new change or enjoy it bcoz of it . The insecurity crops up . I am losing My Manav .

If u see , each time happiness has been given to her she has not cherished it . She has turned her back on it . When after 3 months stay Savita told her OK U continue as bahu , I will handle Shravni , She walked out on the marraige . When she conceived , she had zero interest in baby and gave it to Varsha . Now when wealth is coming in her life , instead of sitting back and enjoying it , she wants to wish that away too . A very , very strange woman .

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Tanyaz

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Yes . But they have a very crude level of script writing Tanya . If they had done what u suggested , it wud have become a classy show . Two people in love drifting apart HELPLESSLY , but still loving each other deeply . See the paradox and how thrilling it even sounds . But the script writers of PR do not have that acumen ...plainly . They will show this track as Manav doing something REAL BAD by opting for money . Already they are showing him stuttering defensively . And they will keep showing happy poor families . [ I am YET to see one .}

Hmm.. I think you are right . Manav will be forced to take a decision where he would be makinga bridge / building on an unsafe place , causing some accident and Archana would know about it ...Manav's image will come crashing down and she would leave him or something like this ...

Manav would probably go against DK then and would show the world that DK had framed him ( how filmy ) and why would DK frame him , because maybe Dharmesh would start stories of Manav and Aashna having an affair ...

I think it is very predicatble ...😆

Archana 's initial POV was only poisoned by Sukriti . I am not even saying Sukriti set out to poison her . She is a good female , with her own personal issues , bas . But what she told Archana at the outset of this phase of her life made a deep impact on her . It shook her happy frame of mind and sowed a seed of doubt and insecurity in her mind . That is steadily growing into a tree now . She has lost capacity to welcome the new change or enjoy it bcoz of it . The insecurity crops up . I am losing My Manav .

Sukriti was talking absolute BS...😆

I was laughing all the time shaking my head when they were showing that scene...

Archana is now getting to become seriosuly insecure about Manav's job ...

I think her insecurity will only increase with time and she will become desperate ..She will also try to get close to Soham because of her depressed state of mind ( after all Soham is Manav's boy ) but even that she will not be able to have because Varsha will kick her out ...😆

If u see , each time happiness has been given to her she has not cherished it . She has turned her back on it . When after 3 months stay Savita told her OK U continue as bahu , I will handle Shravni , She walked out on the marraige . When she conceived , she had zero interest in baby and gave it to Varsha . Now when wealth is coming in her life , instead of sitting back and enjoying it , she wants to wish that away too . A very , very strange woman .

Of course very strange woman..Actually a woman like Archana cannot exist .It can only exist in a TV show as a fictional character ...

Because otherwise Archana is a very loving and a nurturing person then why this death wish all the time ..that is because of the need to have high TRPs in a fictional show can never show her happy ..

I read i nthe latest article of Telly Buzz that life is never supposed to be happy for Archana that is why the track of baby donation has been put in the script ...

Apparantly even Sushant Rajput said in his face book wall that Cvs are forcing manav and Archana to be mahaan ...

that is the company policy ..Archana should not be happy ..A dialogue always said by Archanan ' mere hise mein , adhi adhori khushiyan aati hein' ...the only thing that she has compleetly is Manav ...eev nthat , Cvs tried their best that she should not have but the screen couple is so strong that people totally rejected the idea of them being with other spouses ...But now Archna is being kept unhappy by other means ...

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