Kool Comments : Nov 18 - Page 9

This was written after Sachin's death ...

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I have been reading the grouches against Archu and the Karanjkars now for a very long time and I thought of listing them . Just see how unfair they are .1] Even after 15 days stay , Archana didnt speak up passionately and defend Manav : This is the primary anger against Archu . A simple , middle class Marathi girl from an extremely conservative suburban locality shud after a 15 day stay develop such manmoth confidence that she shud stand up and give speeches on Manav's behalf ! Infact , I congratulate PR team for showing that doubts entered Archu's mind . This is so much more realistic . so much more understandable . A girl who has hesitatingly entered matrimonial life will definetely get tremendous doubts . See Varsha's case .........even after knowing Ashwin for much longer than archu knew Manav , she was tricked by a man..........Ashwin , who pretended to be ' good and decent ." It is Mumbai , my dear folks ! Hundreds of girls r tricked due to lies in arranged marraiges...........hence the caution and anxiety of parents like Sulochana and Girish . And this is wrong ? why ?

2] The Manohar and Varsha saving point : The second grouch is Manav saved Manohar and Varsha , and yet Archu wasn't sent there by Sulochana , so Sulochana is evil , as bad as Savita , fat , what not .😆😆 Here i want to ask a question ...........So yes , Manav saved Varsha and Manohar ..........so ????? Does that change the circumtances in his house ? Arre who is denying that Manav is good ? See Sulochnas answer to Varsha when Varsha says the same thing , that ok , he is good , but that doesnt change anything much ! That is the answer of a worried , experienced parent ! At the most these two actions prove that the boy is good . But his mother is BAD ..........not just Bad , really a bad piece . the good Boy is never going to stay seperate . The good boy also has a history of being largely UNAWARE of what his evil mom does , instead of knowing her real nature and being alert . The good boy worships his evil mother . Her own husband doesnt neither do her own children , but this good boy does . Why ?Coz he is 'good ' . So what value does his goodness amount to ultimately if it does not succeed in saving an innocent girl ? And why shud a girl's mother , who has noticed exploitation by the boy's mom regarding jewels and threats about torturing the girl send the girl there because the boy saved two members of her family ? Is that saving action going to guarantee happiness for her daughter for a lifetime ?No ! Any girl's mom wud say to the boy ............Thank u , Thank U very much , but still I cant send my daughter to take crap from ur mother as she is terrible and ur never gonna live seperate ! Which member on this forum who has a daughter will honestly send her to live with a monster like Savita only coz the damaad is good ? Speaking for myself ............I wouldnt. I would do an about turn and run to the northpole dragging my daughter with me !😆 And if Sulochana is bad coz she didnt say EVEN that Thank U ...........the reasoning is clear , I think any parent wud understand it . She didn't want to raise false hopes . Her stand was clear........she didnt want to send her daughter t that hell hole , and saying Thank u wud complicate things at that point . Did anyone even think of this ? Is it so wrong ? To be practical ? .

3] Currently the argument advanced is..............who told Archu to take crap from Savita ? Manav ne bola tha kya ? Did Manav say it ? Well this is great and a classically chauvinistic way of exonerating Manav ! By this clever sentence , Manav is set scot free from his responsibility as a husband about being aware of his wife's torture by his mother . The girl came to live in his house , she was new and adapting to the circumstances and he ALREADY KNEW his mom's nature . What was the girl supposed to do , start putting her hands on her hips in a fighting gesture like a fishwife and get as foul mouthed as Savita ? For that matter my dears , who had told Manav to stand tongue tied when Sulochna blasted him publicly .........why didnt he speak up enough ? This reasoning isnt fair ! In that case all the girls who suffer torture at hands of in laws r only at fault and all husbands r blameless !😆😆😆

4] Karanjkars r bad , Karanjkars r uppity , Karanjkars think no end of themselves : The Karanjkars r simple , middle class , cultured folk . The Deshmukhs r clearly dysfunctional . Savita who had neither education nor money , nor culture , was the one who acted too big for her boots ALWAYS . She acted uppity...........She thought no end of herself and she was honestly so bad that she tried to sell BOTH her sons in the marraige market . Unfortunately her villainy was cloaked with a humor touch and so many viewers fell for it . The Karanjkars were tricked , then they gave the marraige a decent chance , then they were shocked , then they gave their daughter support . Nothing wrong with them in my eyes at least . I applaud them . The Deshmukhs r dysfunctional to this point even today............even Sachins death hasnt changed them. They r still licking the shoes of the very man who sent Sachin spiralling towards his death with his ruthless phone call .............Girish , as he is MONEY .

5] Sachins death makes villain Savita a certified victim and Manav a certified angry hero ! There was a point in this serial when we wanted the tape to be heard in public , or Savita's villainy to be exposed in front of Manav . Now , will it make any diffrence ? The fizz of the coke has gone . How Savita took the mangal sutra , initiated the divorce proceedings , did public abuse ..........why will it matter to Manav who only sees how she was beaten in jail ? He will cruelly say HISAAB BARABAR or KYA FARAK PADTA HAI ? And after this tape is heard stupid Archu will go to save her marraige and be kicked around humiliatingly like a football in the Deshmukh home where all will act uppity with her ................and she will , instead of salvaging her dignity and allowing Manav to marry Shravni and walk away , try to win him back and endure even more abuse . ; The Question is .............Is Manav worth it ?Is any guy worth it for this matter ? Archu didnt sign the diovorce papers first neither did she agree to another marraige .............these two serious actions , that really damaged this so called Pavitra Rishta were ultimately done by Manav ...........for justifiable or unjustifiable reasons .

And so I find this serial pathetically chauvinistic in which a woman suffers abuse , then is blamed unfairly , and expected to grovel and work on a marraige which broke not really due to her but due to a number of invisible villains who r having a party even today . And I constantly ask myself this question ..........BUT WHY ??????
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1319991&loggedin=1

Facts remain.

No mind googling , FACTS dont remain . Facts CHANGE in a SOAP OPERA . My sympathies to Savita dont just go due to Sachins death .................its 3 slaps for Manav now by Archnas mom , and the decent cultured family i described put Manav in jail for a second time . If this is ur way of disproving me ur welcome to it .I stand by what I wrote then and so do I stand by now coz facts in a soap and characters undergo rapid change . U can dig out all the posts u want best luck .

Manav better grow up , soon..

Infact mindgoogling I wud love it if mods think Im famous enough to start a Kools Archive of my posts ........that way everyone can see what Kools said THEN and says NOW . Coz if this soap persists till next october Im gonna be saying something ENTIRELY different . Besides , ur efforts will be SAVED .😃

Kools fantastic commentary...

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Kools fantastic commentary...

Hope I loved your both posts on page 8 & 9..Sorry could not comment yesterday....

I wrote it the first day Savita and Sulo had their huge verbal fight "Salute to Usha" for superb acting....Be it funny or evil lady does it well...

Actually Savita and Sulo both have done wonderful acting as mothers in pain...

Not sure what is the purpose of MG's bring up old posts...This commentaries or member's posts are running as the serial & episodes...We write as we see each episode...

Kools and Hopester keep it coming love...I enjoy reading them...I am still around just b/c of members posts and commentaries..

I tihnk ArMan are two adults who are in love and should be allowed to live their own lives the way they choose to live. Can a mother's love replace the love of a wife?

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I too dont see the pupose of bringing up old posts . I have discussed and thrashed this show with hundreds and the characters i liked then r not the characters I like now coz story has gone ahead . I hope mods gives warning to such members that discuss the topic in current thread pertaining to current opinions only , dont take up lots of space by posting old posts ..............literally full forums views have changed about characters like ajit etc now . This is a most useless activity , intended merely to harass for fun . Have seen this member do the same thing in other forums too .

I don't much care for these Hindi soaps - I loathe them in fact. It is just to keep my mum company at dinner that I sometimes put myself through this serial (the only serial currently and one of the three serials in the last ten years that I've had any association with). I believe most members here are intelligent enough to not find these shoddily developed inconsistent characters credible. So, why do they debate and discuss the plots so passionately? We want to and try to imagine the characters as people around us and that the situation is real to be more involved with the story and then make our assessments of things and express our views and feelings. So, in effect, we're reflecting our judgment on real-life social issues. And, to make a fair judgment in real life, we have to put things into perspective and to do so we have no other option but to refer to the past quite often. You yourself do that in every other line of your posts. you do that when, for example, you allude to Manav being slapped three times by Sulochana, the first slap being much before the posts of yours I had quoted.

To me, Sulochana is more irritating and Savita more revolting. The former gets under my skin because of her hypocrisy and egotism, but the latter was a criminal and now, after a lull, is showing the signs of relapsing into being a lowlife. Whereas, Ajit is still repenting and looking like a really transformed man. Some things never change, like the cause of Sachin's death. As you said yourself then that after Manjusha, Savita herself is to be blamed for Sachin's death more than any of the Karanjkars, because of her collusion with Manjusha. Tell me, what on earth could change between then and now that would shift the blame to Archana and Sulochana (your current stand)! How much can change in a year that you do an about-turn on Savita-Damodar's thirty-year-old relationship? Do you have to play down Savita's disgusting and criminal acts to vent your anger at Sulochana's hypocrisy?

I stopped watching PR just before Sachin's death and had been completely off it for over six moths as I persuaded my mum that these stupid, regressive and sadistic 'soapy' serials are not good for mental well-being. But she reverted to following it again from Varsha's wedding episode. After a long time I started peeking into this forum again once in a while, the biggest reason being I found you active here. I remember we were in a tiny minority and how thrillingly my judgment, views and sense of right and wrong concurred with yours. You with your assertive, to-the-point writing reinforced with impeccable reasoning took on a huge majority who were gaga over Manav and as a result blind to Savita's faults. Now that your take on her has been turned on its head and mine hasn't, I came up with an idea of making my point through your words because they were almost same as mine and I'm always lazy to write.

I wish you were a mod - I've heard a lot about warning levels, but no first-hand experience thus far. I'm really interested in getting some, if only you were a mod! Frankly, it seemed mild bullying to me from you just because I posted something at variance with your views. I'm too boring and nerdy to get a kick out of trolling. You've seen me do the same thing in other forums? Wow! The breakdown of all my IF posts are like SRGMP - 70%, Debate Mansion - 25%, PR - 4%, Indian Idol - 1%. I've never ever seen any trace of you in my de facto IF homes (SRGMP & DM) or in II and I've never posted anything outside the above-mentioned forums. I wouldn't say you were lying - it might be that you mistook me for someone else, eh?

Oops, I've taken up lots of space on your PR forum. Sorry!

How much can change in a year that you do an about-turn on Savita-Damodar's thirty-year-old relationship? Do you have to play down Savita's disgusting and criminal acts to vent your anger at Sulochana's hypocrisy?

A LOT . Ajit has a fan club now .

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remember we were in a tiny minority and how thrillingly my judgment, views and sense of right and wrong concurred with yours. You with your assertive, to-the-point writing reinforced with impeccable reasoning took on a huge majority who were gaga over Manav and as a result blind to Savita's faults. Now that your take on her has been turned on its head and mine hasn't, I came up with an idea of making my point through your words because they were almost same as mine and I'm always lazy to write.

Thank u . 😊 Can u then sense that the ones who talk on Savita's behalf too r in a MINORITY ? Those who saw Shravni's view too r a MINORITY . I was in that minority . I like to see the POV of characters hated in the forum when they r grey characters . Savita is nOT a black character today ..........she is grey . Look .........all I am saying is posting my old views just coz ur lazy to type wont help the current discussion ...........those views stand for old PR days when I fought for both Archu and Manav . Today the serial has progressed so much , I dont like the leads as much as before . I actually make cases out for grey characters . If someone digs up what I am saying abt Savita today when I do a Hate post on her coz she has burnt Archu or something next October , it wont have any meaning will it ?

Frankly, it seemed mild bullying to me from you just because I posted something at variance with your views

No dear . Infact my thread welcomes differing views and everyone knows that .Its just that I dont approve of digging up old posts of mine to disprove my current views these two posts u dug up were from old PR days.