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Posted: 14 years ago
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I'm not going to say much here, but I wanted to comment on the grieving period comment of yours. As a psychology student, I can honestly and factually say that the grieving period depends on each individual. There are certain phases to grieving. I'll put them up here real quick and simple.

Shock/Denial
Anger
Compromise/Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

It isn't always in that order and there is no definite period for each. A person can also flip-flop between two phases for a while, end up at square one and have to work through it all over again.

Someone like Archana would need extensive counselling to help her get over her grief, and it IS possible to take an entire lifetime to get over the grief although it is VERY rare.
Kool, I apologize if the title of my post has hurt you in any way because of it resembling your family, but what I'm trying to get at is that Sulochana is a bully who thinks she is always right and only sees what she wants to see. She saw how much pain her daughter is going through, she sees how BAD of a person Jaywant is, he has criminal tendencies, and she is leaving a LOT up to chance, without sitting down and thinking logically. If you were to be engaged to someone like Jaywant and your mother knew he conned you into signing papers and framed someone and basically engaged in criminal activities, would she let you marry him? Would your mother not support you if you stood up for yourself? Would your mother not see your pain? Would your mother not break off the engagement if she knew of all the HORRIBLE things he did, if only to ensure your safety? I am pretty darned sure she would call it off, even if the guy's family DID want this marriage to occur.

About the biological clock, how does she even know she can have children? Should she be pushed into a marriage if she is only going to be tortured, just for the sake of having a child who will not have a happy life anyways, because of an unstable family? If for whatever reason she cannot have a child, can she not adopt? There are so many children out there in need of a loving family, can she not accept one as her own?

Owning a flat in Mumbai, no one said she had to OWN one, I personally rent out an apartment an amount I KNOW is manageable for most people with a stable job like Archu.

The Karanjkars mean well, but they are all very bossy and have a scapegoat in Archana, whom they can constantly give orders to on how to live life under the pretext of it being a piece of advice. Why do I say order? Because they automatically expect her to do what they suggest.

Archana and Manav do need to live through what they committed to, but should they really have to not even SPEAK to one another because of it?

Sorry I know I said this would be short, but I couldn't help myself =)
I knew the answer about the grieving period 😊 was psychology student myself and had topped the class although I majored in something else in the final year . Studied Psychology for four years .
Your answer proved my point . There is no end to this grieving period . It varies . There is no REAL answer .
In real life ..........and u may not like what I am saying here 😊 one doesn't have time for this pampering of emotions . It sounds harsh , but thats the way it is in most lower middle class families . Its a luxury .........to let someone alone to grieve for years to come . Middle class parents will be frantic with worry , thinking of hard core practicalities . They will dismiss the grieving off in a year at the most .
In Archnas case ...........The grieving wud NEVER end . Her parents r well aware of this so what did they do ?they decided to ignore it . The more they pampered it , the more she wud hover around manav and never move on in life .
I repeat ...........I don't agree to them insisting on this stupid marraige with Jay , post Manohars heart attack .Far too much bitternesss has ensued .
The biloogical clock point was to show u why her mom is frightened .No one assumes her daughter may not have children . And no one ssumes she can adopt . These r extreme cases .If daughter is stunningly beautiful and just 28 , MOms want it ALL for their daughter .
About rental flat .........even the amount ur paying isnt less dear .She is tenth standard pass with diploma ...how much salary u think she will earn and wont she retire one day ?Mumbaikars dont like large chunks of salaries going in paying rents when ultimately the ivestment does yield anything .Even while living in rentals most of them prefer ownership flats coz there at least their investment will be tripled if they sell it . Thats the working mentality . This is NOT a life a middle class mom will visualize for Archu .
I disagree the Karanjkars r bossy . They went with each of Archus decisions . When she chose to go to Manavs house for 3 month stay they swallowed it although they had advised her against it and went to meet her there cordially . They accepted Varsha after her prodigal return .They accepted Archus sel;f inflicted divorce although Archu took it against their wish .They treat Manav cordially when he visits them unlike SAvita who blasts Archu . They retreated when she firmly said NO to remarraige , and accepted when she saud YES later . They only spoke up sharply when their Father almost DIED of an heart attack and by then Archu was acting crazed . Hell , they even silently watched Archus NONSENSE of calling Manav to engagement and touching his feet under Jays nose .
About Shud they NOT even SPEAK to each other ..........Well , Karanjkars didnt exactly object , they r cordial to Manav .But Archna ad Manav dont just SPEAK . They do eyelocks publicly , and its pretty embarassing .So the BOYS FAMILY OBJECTED .
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth

Going by the script- at present, on three counts they are dubious w.r.t. Archana or her welfare;

1. Allowing Dharmesh's perverse attack go reproach less, let alone insisting on a counter apology for his loose behavior. In a civilized family, a SIL can not have such license.😆 Arre baba samarth Archna slapped him . Even in the yelling sHE yelled first .😆😆😆😆

2. Even more dangerously, they let go the fraud of a fiance with out even a whimper, not giving any real thought to the morals of a creep under the condonance of 'itna bhi bura nahi he..'. More concerned parent would surely weigh the prospects or dangers to a normal married life with such a person.True

3. Suffering and submitting meekly to 'not- so- infrequent' dictates of a future MIL even before the marriage, not giving any thought- into what kind of poisonous, autocratic environ, full of suspicions, their daughter is heading to.😆😆😆😆 U mean Prabhi The Siamese Cat . She looked pretty nasty when she told Sulo EK minute , The matter is NOT for discussion , didn't she . When she demanded Archu leave her job .

But I can not see them as a family to be ashamed of. They are merely weak- for all the claims to a moralistic value system of a sound middleclass.😊 Yes .

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sereaishitedare

I don't understand why these people don't understand the simple concept of grieving. Archana needed time to grieve the ending of her marriage, and she was never given the opportunity to before being pushed into another relationship. I know some people think she had over a year to grieve, but sometimes it takes a lifetime to grieve, and it's evident that Archu hadn't had proper time to grieve because she is still gaga over Manav.


I also don't understand the concept of needing a man to live a happy life. I am offended by that being a woman, and I don't understand why the creatives of the show portray such idiotic ideas on a very popular show. I honestly believe they are a bunch of 40 year old sickos sitting around upset at the social progress some parts of India are making with respect to women's rights and don't want to see that progress, therefore they show such idiotic concepts to promote their despicable views.

Also, why do they have to show good people being so passive? Just because you are a nice person, doesn't mean you need to let everyone boss you around. Archana's parents are portrayed as well-meaning parents and respectable members of society, but in my point of view they are nothing but emotional bullies that don't want an identity of their own and just want to blend into their society, and in turn aren't letting their daughter have an identity of her own either.

Why does a woman always need to be known by her relationships? Sulochana's daughter, Manav's ex-wife, Vinod's sister, Jaywant's fiancee? I think its pathetic.

Who on here agrees with me and if you don't agree with me on certain topics, I'd love to hear from you.=)

Excellent post! I hate the way this marriage has been forced upon Archana no one allows her to live her own life, she must forever sacrifice her happiness to make others happy. Archana was happy living her life and coming to terms with not being able to be with Manav anymore but her family keeps pushing her, she needs to marry, she has to have a life partner. I don't understand why Archana couldn't take her time, heal her wounds, and then look for love again. Her family fails to see her pain, it is all about what they want. I feel sorry for her
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Posted: 14 years ago
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The worst thing the family is doing is not offering Archu support to break this marriage. My anger on them is regarding this only. And firing Dharmu even slightly. After that they can fire Manav hundred times and I wont say anything.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: vidyasu1

I rarely comment these days because it has not been a pleasant experience for me.. However, I could not help myself this once. I agree with you 200 per cent. Archana has been bashed mercilessly on this forum while her family has been spared and held to be right -- for the simple reason that the daughter voluntarily decided to divorce her beloved. Does that give them the right to push her into marriage with a person whom she quite plainly abhors? How can they not see her distress? Her dad finally seemed to have figured out the truth but her mom advocated the usual jugaad stuff. Once she is married everything will be all right. How? Why? Why should it be all right? It is not Manav who forced Jaywant on Archana. That crime was done by Dharmesh with wholehearted support from sulochana. She threatened and forced manav into giving Archana an ultimatum.. She made him feel guilty, called him selfish. After all this, she goes around as if she is the best mom in the world.

Vaishali in particular annoys me. I hang my head in shame for doormat women like her. Had I been in her place I would have given a tongue-lashing to my husband, perhaps even walked out on him. How can she absolve Dharmesh completely while blaming her sister, refusing even to accept her apology? An unnecessary apology in the first place. How can Vaishali be oblivious to the gargantuan flaws in her husband's character? How can she support him being so mean, selfish and cruel? I felt like murdering Dharmesh when he spoke of Manav's undeserved raise. The man was put in jail by you, the least you can do is compensate him. Had he sued you for defamation you'd have likely had to shell out money in lakhs.


Thanks for commenting, please do comment more often because your responses are well thought out and very logical.

I feel the exact same way about Vaishali, she had so much promise at the beginning of the show, heck up until the leap even. I thought her so called 'love story' with Dharmesh was pathetic too...*sigh*

It is thoughts like those of Sulochana's that make me despise the constitution of marriage, but as soon as I think that thought I have to back track and realize that not all marriages are like that. The point I'm trying to make is even I, someone who knows this is a fictious show, and analyses every character's moves am swayed for a while. It may be a short while, but still. I feel so terribly for those who don't have the knowledge to realize that marriage isn't going to solve everything. One must be comfortable with oneself and accept oneself before expecting any relationship to be successful.

If I were Archu I honestly would have either killed someone or shot myself. The amount of pressure put on her is outrageous. Also, I agree with your why Jaywant comment. Sulochana is nothing but a big insecure bully, who can't see past the 'What ifs' of life. It is good to have a positive outlook on life, but to ignore all the possible negatives is ignorant.

*sigh* I'm getting myself all worked up over this, I need to calm down...

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Posted: 14 years ago
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sereaishitedare (don't know how to pronounce this name!!), I AGREE, AGREE with all your points. The only reason Archana's family is pushing her into this marriage is because jaywant is willing to accept her with her ateet. It is so disgusting; it is as if a great favour is being done to her. Even Manav said this crap, and her dad's bedside lecture was all about J may be bad, but not so bad because he is willing to accept you. YOU with YOUR PAST. Is she some soiled goods? How can CVs plug this line in the 21st century?. I live on my own and believe me I am having a whale of a time. I'm not against marriage but it must happen because you have found someone you want to marry not because you have to marry, so find someone, anyone. Right now archu looks like a lamb being led to the slaughter house and her mother is tittering on about how good her fiance is and what a wonderful life she will have etc. etc.. In the same breath she will say that no one knows her daughter as well as her. I bet she will want a full tamasha wedding with all the rituals and the works, not even allowing her grieving daughter the courtesy of opting for a simple court marriage. And yeah, you can also bet that the sisters will come dressed like christmas trees, giggling and going on about the honewale jeeju ( I feel like puking when they say this), completely oblivous to archu's pain and suffering. Can't bear to watch all this. Nor can I understand the drooling sympathy for the family on the forum.
Don't mean to annoy anyone.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Maybe you are right that the show is a reflection of what happens in this particular society. But a society has to change to meet the demands of a new era, or it will go the way of Rome, simply assigned to the history .
I dont think thats the objective of this serial at all . To show change in SOCIETY , that is . The objective is to provide entertainment by showing CURRENT society and different POVs , thats all . And I really don't think that EVERY damned thing the leads do is correct and every damned thing the grey characters do is wrong or PUKY . Its all a matter of perspective , bas .
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Kool your post in fact proves my point: that the script writers have created a story where the family appears the picture of reasonableness -- when, at least in my opinion, it is not. -- in contrast to the stubborn and psychotic daughter.. They have deliberately made the leads neurotic so as to glorify the family.: After all who will put up with such a daughter?

And excuse me, was sulochana not the intelligent mother who always told her daughter she must educate herself and find a job? Assuming Archu chooses to stay single, why should she have to live off her brother? Can't she get a job or is marriage the only option in life for women? Mumbai is a progressive city. I lived there years ago and was fascinated by the long line of female office-goers at bus stops and train stations. It has a culture of women going to work. I just don't accept that, Dombivilli or not, women have to stay at home and look after babies or they are finished. If they must work, it must be within the parameters drawn by husband and mother-in-law. At least Sulochana with her so-called progresive (but in fact not) outlook should know better than to believe this hogwosh theory.
India is changing, Mumbai more so, and it is really sad that the CVs have chosen to perpetuate the "abla naari" stereotype rather than show a woman being able to take care of herself.
If I remember correctly, Archana told Jaywant off -- several times. She told him she will never, ever marry him. She stuck to this line even after Manav's ultimatum. It was after shravni blasted her and accused her of being selfish that she, against her will, went to J. That is hardly voluntary. She again decided to break up with him and told her parents so but they emotionally blackmailed her without understanding her distress. At this point J had been proven to be a cheat with possible criminal instincts. But the parents just cannot see this. The less said of her horrible, utterly selfish sisters, the better. Varsha can throw a pillow at her lovely father-in- law but can't say a word to her goonda b-i-l. She is an insult to womanhood. As is Vaishali who seems to worship the ground her criminal husband walks on. No amount of all this being practical can convince me that this is correct and must be accepted. Sorry if this sounds like a rant. Just as well I decided to stay out. Otherwise there will be daily fireworks.😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Kools: No one praised the leads. I myself said they are foolish. I didn't even call her family 'villains'.
I agree with many points in your post. But my grouse against sulo is this- when Archu was herself ready to break off with Jay, she literally went physical trying to stop her. She sang praises of Jay to Archu saying he is good, he accepted you with your ateet. (You had even made a poem of it- I loved it.😆). Sulo clearly sees Archu is not happy with the marriage. She feels trapped. And with Manohar's recent heart attack, she feels guilty and is marrying Jaywant to keep her parents happy bas.
Sulo knows her daughter has suicidal tendencies. In that post where you were debating with Saffy, you yourself wrote all these lines. And I loved it. Sulo is being careless with her daughter.
If she really loves her daughter, she should break the engagement and get her daughter to a therapist instead of trapping her in this loveless marriage. She had pulled her daughter out of Manav's home when he was found to be characterless, caring two hoots about tradition and stuff. Why can't she do the same now, sayng that beta if you are feeling strangulated in this marriage, break it, I will support you????
I'm really not happy with what Sulo is doing. She knows Archu doesn't want to be in this marriage and is only degrading the family and causing them embarassment by being in it- for her family as well as for Jays.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sereaishitedare


Hi there Kool, I remember you from Ghar ki Lakshmi Betiyaan, and I remember we agreed on most everything 😆

I understand what you mean by being the odd one out in society, and I agree with you on that, but that is not the issue I have with the creatives here. The issue I have with them is that they portray antiquated ideas regardless of whom they use as their scapegoat character. Whether its Sulochana or Manav, they are still trying to say that all women need a man in their lives to live happy productive lives. That is simply not the case. I have two aunts who are not married, and its not like they weren't pressurized, they just didn't give in to the pressures. They showed strength of character and stood up for themselves (this is in india by the way) and that is what I would have liked to see from a TV show as popular as PR simply because it is watched by so many and the characters are idealized by so many impressionable youth.

About making a home with Vinod and his bitchy wife, who says Archu has to live with them. She got her magical one-year education and can hold a job, get an apartment of her own and live her life happily. Women can do so many things without a man in their lives. I'll use my aunts as examples. One is a doctor and the other a beautician. They both adopted children and have many friends they hang out with. Their friends have become their extended families. And the only real blood family they talk to are the ones who respected their decision not to get married. If India's going to progress, the everyday people need to know how society works outside their little village or street or community, and there is no better way to get this information to them than it is through television soap operas.

About what a horrible life she will have with her bro and his wife, what about the life she COULD possibly have with Jaywant.. What's the guarantee that he will keep her happy? What's the likelihood that she will accept her as her husband willingly?

My problem with Sulochana stems from her inability to recognize that her daughter, the one she claims to know better than anyone, is grieving the loss of her marriage. Why can't she for the love of god let her daughter have some space to get over the loss of her marriage. I'm sure at some point after Manav and Shravani are married, she will truly accept the fate of her marriage and move on. Why can't Sulochana wait until her daughter is good and ready?

A lot of girls tell their parents they won't marry, the parents don't take them seriously because they trust their children to understand life and understand what they want from life as they mature or pass through whatever phase it is that they are going through, why couldn't Sulochana trust her daughter to make the right decision for her life? As much as I try to, I don't understand why Sulochana puts the happiness and opinions of outsiders on a higher pedestal than her daughter's happiness. The only reason this drama started was because one of her neighbors said something about Archu getting married again.

About Manav and his weakness of character, I never defended his character or the emotional blackmailing he did to Archu. He was just as wrong as Sulochana was. When I said that Sulochana and everyone in the Karanjkar family praise Manav and love on him when they need him and discard him when he is of no use anymore, this is exactly what I meant. She went to him to beg him to get her daughter to understand that she needed to remarry, so he did, then when he was in trouble and needed help, she supported her infuriatingly self-centered AND WRONG damaad Dharmesh. I wanted to get in there and slap Sulochana herself when she yelled at Archu for slapping Dharmesh.

I've always hated Manav for stripping his wife of her rights to give those rights to his BROTHER's fiancee. I've never forgiven him for that, and I don't think I ever will. I don't think it was appropriate of him to value his word over the happiness and rights of his wife whom he loved dearly, especially when Shravani was willingly telling him to go to Archu. Having said that Archu is equally to blame. If she had told Manav that I don't WANT to give up my rights for Shravani, he would have probably changed his decision, but she didn't.

I do NOT understand why they did what they did at that time, but I do know that if they were allowed to be friends and hang out from the beginning without being ridiculed and shamed, they would have gotten over each other a lot faster. Because absence makes the heart grow fonder right? The chase is more exciting than the catch a lot of times, and chasing is all these two have been doing.

And finally, I agree, Manav IS very old fashioned with his idea of purity and all that junk.


i just wnt to add 1 ting here,they r living in an era were d only way out of a rape victim is to marry d rapist,and vandita was a studying she wasnt at home still she got married to ajit.d fact is dis k family is very gud to archu,u remember sulochana slapping varsha cause she had gne for dinner wid her friends.and a fact is a fact a girl like archu needs sumbody in her life a whole lot of education cant mke her normal,i am saying dis wtching yestday episode were she burnt her hand and if sulochan wldnt hav cum she wld hav gone furter wid it.AS sulochana thoughts r concerned,i hav seen my parents worried abt my marriage from d dtime i remember,now i realise it she is collecting gold,vessels for us for so long,all parents r worried for their child future, and if archu wld hav shown or tryed to get over manav her mther wldnt b so desperste to get her married,her life was just revolving around him and it is still d same.

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