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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: bonnefille

Kool di, Loved the individual dissection of each character agree to all with the exception of Savita.

Anyone would have done the same thing if in position of Savita's. When the son is in jail money wouldn't be a priority...justice and his release would be which the company is from nowhere promising.

Had watched Parineeta this weekend...Shekhar reminded me of Manav...not in persona but for being the worthless hero. Girish was million times better...but shekar was lolita's love and the chosen one. Similarly manav here is the chosen one...everyone wants him to be the hero...the man worth archana's undying love. Unfortunately he's obstinately not becoming one...the hatred and anger is more out of frustration of him repeatedly doing everything against one's wishes and expectations. It is the constant hope of him rising into a hero that makes the hatred too not so deep rooted.

Shravani's character looked through in perspective of audience psyche is hated because she is the reason the entire standard of the leads was diminished. In character, I would disagree in calling Shravani a victim. Her sufferings are as much self-inflicted as that of the leads. Shravani instead of believing in herself chose to be taken over by man for looking after her and her child; she further chose to fall in love knowing he is in love with somebody else. She tried to demean a woman from the position which was rightfully hers then and today still wants to be in a relationship where the possibility of receiving love and respect ever is bleak. So by no means she is a victim...because she has chosen to lead a life like this. If this threesome fiasco exists today...it is due to the active and wrongful participation of all three.

I personally do not relate to any of these characters realistically coz none of them are deep rooted in soul. A child is termed as soft clay...to be moulded in a desired shape for the rest of his life. These characters will forever remain in this nascent stage...moulded according to the wills and fancies of the writers. They will never be consistent in nature coz there is no value structure of their own to fall upon.

Bravo BOnne ! Fair is fair,everybody shud get their karma
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Posted: 14 years ago
OMG such a long discussion!! I wont get time to read it:( I most probably going to b away from the forum for abt 5 days:( guests coming from Pakistan and moving on oct 1st!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
would disagree in calling Shravani a victim. Her sufferings are as much self-inflicted as that of the leads.
Not the DEATH OF SACHIN . Sachin's tragic death was not self infliction . The self infliction started when inspite of knowing Manav doesnt love her she opted not to walk out but hung on , and she has paid adequately for it by getting a LOVELESS relationship . But Shravni's fate changed with Sachins death , which was a tragedy that resulted due to the unfortunate jailing . Yes , technically the truck driver was to be blamed but His life got screwed due to that jailing .So did Shravni's . In that sense she is very much a victim .
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Archna Manav are not victims . They threw away what they had voluntarily , when everything was al;right for them . Two families that had feuded over them told them to stay together , that everything was alright now .These two have no explanation for throwing away marraige and opting to be boyfriend girlfriend except for a worthless excuse that HAME DOOSRON KI ZINDAGI SAVAARNI THI . First SAVAROFY YOUR OWN ZINDAGI , THEN THINK OF OTHERS .
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

would disagree in calling Shravani a victim. Her sufferings are as much self-inflicted as that of the leads.

Not the DEATH OF SACHIN . Sachin's tragic death was not self infliction . The self infliction started when inspite of knowing Manav doesnt love her she opted not to walk out but hung on , and she has paid adequately for it by getting a LOVELESS relationship . But Shravni's fate changed with Sachins death , which was a tragedy that resulted due to the unfortunate jailing . Yes , technically the truck driver was to be blamed but His life got screwed due to that jailing .So did Shravni's . In that sense she is very much a victim .
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Archna Manav are not victims . They threw away what they had voluntarily , when everything was al;right for them . Two families that had feuded over them told them to stay together , that everything was alright now .These two have no explanation for throwing away marraige and opting to be boyfriend girlfriend except for a worthless excuse that HAME DOOSRON KI ZINDAGI SAVAARNI THI . First SAVAROFY YOUR OWN ZINDAGI , THEN THINK OF OTHERS .
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Well,if that is the yardstick - Archu's pain is not being given any weightage.
Her husband,her MIL and everybody was accusing her for sachin's death.Shravni tried to go and abort the baby.How much preassure Archu was under then externally? How much preassure from within,her own atma making her feel guilty for her family's deeds?
And she is supposed to give a snoot to savage savita,and shake obstinate manav's head and tell shravni,go do an abortion and save her marriage despite a sagaai and mang bharna happening right in front of her eyes?
At the end of the day,Archu knows Manav gave priority to another woman,even after 3 months,knowing her innocence and love - not many women will consider a marriage worth a fight if another woman is given priority,here Manav was already engaged to somebody else,his family approved it,her family is not even taking the guy to task!
She was dying everyday under the wt of her conscience,she genuinely loved sachin as her BIL
The fact is that Archu buckles under a conscience over this and Shravni lacks one.By ur desc of Shravni,she shud be valuing ArMan's marriage more than them,if she gives so much sanctity and importance to marriage - instead she openly challenged archu that she will STEAL her husband !
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Posted: 14 years ago
Hey Sid !
Doin a boring conf call,so having some browsing fun😉
Watz up ? u not going to college?
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Posted: 14 years ago
Awesome commentary.
PR is getting masaledar and interesting again!! 🥳
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

That loan has been WAIVED aside by Dharmesh , their vERY OWN RELATION . Pointless bringing it up here now . In todays circumstance what Vinod said was TRUE . Better late than NEVER . Archna needs to hear it very badly . She has embarassed three families with her stupid actions of calling Manav to engagement , I hope she gets a slap from Sulo in this week . She divorced so obstinately , that scene is still before my eyes . This girl needs reality checks . Shravni is getting hers , Even Archu shud get .So Shud Manav . When Archu goes to jail , the full K family shud gang up on him and tell him HE DESTROYED HER LIFE .

@ Koolsadhu

The loan is indeed a very curious episode- one of the most dubious track isn't it? But for the argument's sake let us accept it at its face value and not a 'scripting defect.'

Dharmesh the kind- hearted waived it off? On to whom? A lowly workman? but now what is it telling us? How was it spent? On to the 'esteem annadata's break through marriage!? To feed or welcome his entire clan or all of his kith and kins as well as to the trousseau of his lucky bride?! All these by a muflis -on his way out of the K clan while an 'eminence' was entering the same?! Oh no, now this 'creates' a kind of 'obligation'- one more reason for a decent Dharmesh to act otherwise then a practical Dharmesh is actually doing !? Now this is turning everything 'head down legs up', so why not 'waive off' silently and not even whisper remotely about the occurrence of any such loan- let alone mentioning the waiving? As any sensible/tactical/practical 'businessman' would do- just as the fat pet is doing?!!

Am I imagining or hearing a rebuke? - "Dharmesh had nothing to do with the original foolery of K people or- oops- the occasion…"

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: SaffyFlower

Well,if that is the yardstick - Archu's pain is not being given any weightage.
Her husband,her MIL and everybody was accusing her for sachin's death.Shravni tried to go and abort the baby.How much preassure Archu was under then externally? How much preassure from within,her own atma making her feel guilty for her family's deeds?
And she is supposed to give a snoot to savage savita,and shake obstinate manav's head and tell shravni,go do an abortion and save her marriage despite a sagaai and mang bharna happening right in front of her eyes?
At the end of the day,Archu knows Manav gave priority to another woman,even after 3 months,knowing her innocence and love - not many women will consider a marriage worth it if another woman is given priority
She was dying everyday under the wt of her conscience,she genuinely loved sachin as her BIL
The fact is that Archu buckles under a conscience over this and Shravni lacks one.By ur desc of Shravni,she shud be valuing ArMan's marriage more than them,if she gives so much sanctity and importance to marriage - instead she openly challenged archu that she will STEAL her husband !

If she was RIGHT to be under so much PRESSURE [ Ah poor Archu who btw is NOT buckling under pressure NOW but withstanding it with the HIDE Of a RHINO} and divorce , then she shud stay away and honor the engagement and the divorce both . She did not honor the marraige and threw it away , did not honor the divorce and clung to Manav and now isnt honoring any eengagement and tOUCHING Manavs lips and hands when she is engaged to someone ELSE . Where her so called CONSCIENCE when she TOUCHES Manav inspite of being engaged to Jay ...the big conscience u keep praising ? I dont see ANY Conscience when its PERFECTLY ok for her when workers go on STRIKE and remain hungry for a single man .HER LOVER MANAV . Saffy , before calling Vinods speech bogus look at ur favorite Character Archu's bogus nonsense of I AM SAVING HIM AS SUPERVISOR😆😆😆😆😆😆 Yeah rite .So important to TOUCH A WORKERS LIPS . As a SUPERVISOR , i mean .😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: smrth

@ Koolsadhu

The loan is indeed a very curious episode- one of the most dubious track isn't it? But for the argument's sake let us accept it at its face value and not a 'scripting defect.'

Dharmesh the kind- hearted waived it off? On to whom? A lowly workman? but now what is it telling us? How was it spent? On to the 'esteem annadata's break through marriage!? To feed or welcome his entire clan or all of his kith and kins as well as to the trousseau of his lucky bride?! All these by a muflis -on his way out of the K clan while an 'eminence' was entering the same?! Oh no, now this 'creates' a kind of 'obligation'- one more reason for a decent Dharmesh to act otherwise then a practical Dharmesh is actually doing !? Now this is turning everything 'head down legs up', so why not 'waive off' silently and not even whisper remotely about the occurrence of any such loan- let alone mentioning the waiving? As any sensible/tactical/practical 'businessman' would do- just as the fat pet is doing?!!

Am I imagining or hearing a rebuke? - "Dharmesh had nothing to do with the original foolery of K people or- oops- the occasion'"

U made it clear u dislike Dharmesh and U also made it clear u dont watch the serial regularly . No point in arguing with u then coz u have obviously missed many links . Its not at all the way u describe it . The loan was given practically , waived aside in a spirit of generosity . Thats all there is to it . It has nothing to do with the blasting Vinod gave to his sister yesterday at all , im sorry I dont see the logic . The blasting Vinod gave came too late , it shud have been given ideally on the engagement day when she brot Manav there to touch his feet .She shud have gone a step further , washed his feet and drunk the water .
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

would disagree in calling Shravani a victim. Her sufferings are as much self-inflicted as that of the leads.

Not the DEATH OF SACHIN . Sachin's tragic death was not self infliction . The self infliction started when inspite of knowing Manav doesnt love her she opted not to walk out but hung on , and she has paid adequately for it by getting a LOVELESS relationship . But Shravni's fate changed with Sachins death , which was a tragedy that resulted due to the unfortunate jailing . Yes , technically the truck driver was to be blamed but His life got screwed due to that jailing .So did Shravni's . In that sense she is very much a victim .
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Archna Manav are not victims . They threw away what they had voluntarily , when everything was al;right for them . Two families that had feuded over them told them to stay together , that everything was alright now .These two have no explanation for throwing away marraige and opting to be boyfriend girlfriend except for a worthless excuse that HAME DOOSRON KI ZINDAGI SAVAARNI THI . First SAVAROFY YOUR OWN ZINDAGI , THEN THINK OF OTHERS .
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Sachin's death changed everyone's life. For Manav he was just not a younger brother but the future he had invested in. He had educated sachin like his child so that he could better their standard of living. Archana was blamed constantly and made guilty for Sachin's death. Just because Shravani had Sachin's unborn child in her womb doesn't make her sufferings above others. And if Shravani ever considered the child a suffering she would have never given birth to it. For her it was an important memory...n i respect her for that. But i also feel if she was strong willed to give birth to the baby...she should have been strong willed to raise it on her as well. If aborting was cheating to sachin's memory so should have been her marrying his brother. And Shravani was never the meek sorts to be bullied by her father. Yes there were many occasions when she tried to move away from ArMan...but why wasn't her determination as strong as ArMan in keeping her. Sachin's death ruined many lives...Shravani's was one of them. Shravani didn't have a choice there but everything after was out of her choice.

All said and done...i wouldn't defend ArMan for their divorce. I find them equally wrong there. If i have put in order for all this mess...it would be manav-shravani-archana.

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