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Posted: 15 years ago
nikita
Very well written .
I don't think anyone was criticizing the younger generation as such , they ...we , were merely stating observations . It is the tendency of people back in India to grossly misunderstand children of NRI's as 'forward' 'spoilt' etc and pass remarks on American , British or Canadian upbringing without knowing a thing about what goes on in reality over there . Well , when we come there on our yearly visits we see a different picture , we don't really see Indian kids or as the Pakistani people in this forum were explaining yesterday , kids from their country .......very traditional , shareef either . Inspite of living in lands with a cultural base , they enjoy westernized concepts much much more than kids over here .
So u see it was not so much a criticism of how and why this has happened to the younger generation in INdia as it is a mere observation made by many like minded NRIs .
Formerly when we went to Mumbai I had this habit of constantly pointing out things to emphasize it on my son's mind ......this is the way we do things here . You wont see this in the US . Over the years these things have dwindled .In my last trip my son told me .......what culture r u talking about Mom , I see the culture only in temples when the priests are chanting mantras etc..............otherwise I see a mini US only here with mall culture , western clothes , discotheques , this and that .
Yes small town culture is different than Mumbai culture but it is changing rapidly there too .It saddens .
What saddens even more is the complacent attitude of the elders unaware of this change right under their noses and their judgement on NRI children that they are 'forward' or 'rich and spoilt ' . If only they wud really know what their own children r upto , and how practical they have become....to the point of being emotionally cut throat and regarding adults as 'stupid' . They welcome these changes in their children with ignorant pride at first and later when it bombards on them , they sit with stricken looks on their face wondering what went wrong .
My own mother said two or three times to my son 'we do not talk back like this in India' . My son was not talking back at all ......he was trying to understand some things by asking many questions , as he is used to over here .American education encourages independent thinking and questions . When I explained to her that he was not doubting her ability to do things but asking these questions for himself , she said "
"Well our children are different , not like you guys ."
I felt very very sad when my own mother said like this . These other children she was referring to were the children of my siblings back in India .Even in her grandchildren she had diffrentiated in her mind and referred to my son as 'you guys' . And the poor guy had done NOTHING to distinguish him from them . They wore western wear , more hep clothes than him , went to pubs , danced in discos ...yet she had this pride in them . They did not follow any spiritual practice or even were interested in knowing an Indian ritual . Whereas my son did , and hence the questions . To understand them . He knew the Ganpati Atharvasheersha byheart and said the full Ramraksha with perfect pronounciation . These children didnt know it . Yet a judgement was passed on my son simply as he was an NRI .
And thats what we wre trying to say .........that it is a myth that children there are 'better ' than children here . Of course I wouldn't dare to say vice versa either .BUt yes , sometimes we do find NRI children far less west enamoured compared to the Indian children living there itself . No offense to anyone , merely a subjective opinion .Neither do I wanna go into statistics like someone last time argued with me nor do I state this with a stubborn certainty .JUst an observation .
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Posted: 15 years ago
Kool, u explained everything so well! I agree with u.

u know when we go back home for summer nd carry bottled water with us all the time then ppl wud say these ppl hav too many nakhras,bahir se ayay hai to dikha rahay hai nd blah blah. nd those same ppl hav bottles of nestle water in their home for everyday use. i had a glass of tap water only once there(i was very thirsty nd the bottled water was finished) nd i got really sick. they think we r joking nd showing off when we carry our water with us. this was just a small example.

When we came to Canada in 2002, people back home started to spread rumours that these girls (me nd my sister) wear mini skirts in canada nd this nd that(which was not true). Canada jaa ker bigar gayi. When we went there after 1 year for summer vacation, we were wearing decent shalwar kameez with dupatta wrapped all around us(just like the 12 years I lived in Pakistan nd also we wore the same at home in Canada). people were shocked to see 'people from canada' wearing clothes like that. they said aisa lag raha hai tum log Saudi Arabia se ayay ho, Canada se nahi. what did they expect us to wear?? were they expecting us to wear mini skirts nd walk through the doors at the airport??
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Posted: 15 years ago
Kool you are so good at explaining things. I am always in a hurry to type less..LOL Every word that you wrote is correct and so very correct.
Thanks for your good comments for Monica.
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Posted: 15 years ago
Sid, I am a punjabi
Some of my inlaws saw Monica for the first time in India in 2003 and made comments like, "kitni seedhi hae, koyee fashion nahee karti, kithnae payar se bolti hae manners ke sath". Later I found out that they (my jaithani)were making fun of her thinking that she was retarded and naive.
You know I was so hurt and am not the type of person to pick a fight. I never visited her house again. That cousin's wife -jadhaini's daughter was married to an industrialist and was divorced soon after because her inlaws found out about her loose character. She got married again, has a son and the marriage is not working out and she is sitting at her maikae. What was this woman expecting from my daughter?
I did get a chance to let her know in this past Dec when my brother in law asked to come to their house, sort of begging us, I said that I don't want bad influence on my daughter so I am not visiting you guys.
Lot of stuff goes on in India and the more we visit back home the more we feel lucky to be here. We go to our temple regularly, listen to holy songs, try not to hurt anyone intentionally, never spoken ill about any child or family...so I am happy the way we are.
Now when we go backhome, we only visit people that we feel good about and who in true sense love us in return.
Edited by Tulsey - 15 years ago
unknown18 thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
anyone who knows hindi is here??

i need help with my assignment 😳
nikitagmc thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago

Kools

Actually kools, I wrote all that coz someone said that I dont want my daughter to go to India to such people coz India is very much changed now. That struck me as are we so bad.
And hence that whole write up. also everyone here was saying todays generation in India wears bad clothes, they are more spoilt , break rules of religion (someone spoke of halal and stuff) and Indians in other countries don't do it. OR maybe it wasn't meant to mean like that, but that was what I felt. I'm sorry if I hurt anyone.
I agree when you say people feel NRI children are 'different'. Its a bad attitude that many people have, they are hypocrites ofsociety and nothing else. At the end everything boils down to upbringing, a child brought up well is a child brought up well whether in USA or India.
India is changing fast, that too I agree. As you rightly said, cities like Mumbai are turning into mini US.
I don't know about what you have seen, but I on the contrary have always seen a less 'westernized' India whether in Mumbai or outside it with respect to clothes, religions, and food etc. Majority of the other youth crowd is much the same. The major change is not in culture but in the mentality of the youth- they are more practical, and this seeps into their culture as well, today they will straightforwardly prefer a pair of jeans over a sari or suit since that is more comfortable at work. Not only that they won't even hesitate to go to temple in whatever they are wearing coz it makes sense rather than go back n change and disturb the whole work-time cycle. These are very small examples.
Edited by nikitagmc - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
hey Nikita

i was the one who talked about Halal stuff. I didnt mean it that way. I know many Muslims who eat non-halal. i was not talking about those people.its their choice to follow the religion or not. nd the example i gave was related to Pakistan, not India (as I havent been there so i cant comment on that). its depends on the person nd its their choice to follow the religion. if they r breaking rules, they wil hav to answer God, not me. i was talking about the people who come to Canada who start reading ingredients to make sure its halal nd they never read ingredients when they r in Pakistan (a Muslim country). they just assume its all halal in Pakistan. i meant if these people can b careful in Canada then y not in a Muslim country. i dont like this hypocrisy.nd i was connecting this to other things too.

i hav to study so u can read my previous post abt this😳

nd i didnt say anything abt my daughter since i dont hav a daughter😆 i m not married. but i said that i wud rather raise my child in Canada then back home. thats my choice. i m not saying that other countries r bad. but if given a choice, i wud choose Canada. i agree that it all depends on the parents how they raise their children, not the place. but u hav to live in the society nd a lot of our decisions r influenced by the society, even if we like it or not.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: unknown18

anyone who knows hindi is here??

i need help with my assignment 😳

How can I help you Sid?
unknown18 thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
oh hi Tulsey! how r u? thankfully u r here!!😃

we r given a reading assignment. we hav to read some paragraphs nd then answer some questions. i just want to make sure i read it correct😳 i will post the paragraph here (since its on the computer) nd post my translation too. can u check if its right?😳
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Posted: 15 years ago
Hi guys, I have nothing better to do, but if this will make you laugh, my purpose has been accomplished...
An American born Desi returned to India and hired a tourist cab for sight seeing. When taken to the Taj Mahal in Agra, he asked how many years it took to build it. The guide replied 20 years.
The American desi remarked, "You guys are lazy. In America we build something like this in 5 years."
At Red Fort in Delhi he asked the same question. The guide reduced the period to impress him and said ten years.
"Only ten years!" The American Desi retorted: "Didn't I say you guys are slow workers! In America we could have built it in 2 1/2 years."
Same story everywhere. The American Desi admired the places but reduced the period to 1/4th. The guide got irritated by his bragging.
Next day when they were near Qutub Minar, the American Desi asked, "what is that tower?"
The guide replied, "I'll have to go and find out. When I was passing by this side last evening there was nothing here".

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