Good job Koolsadhu !!! - Page 4

Originally posted by: -SD-

some of the posts suggest that Sulochana is neither selfish nor dominating. I would like to write what I feel. Hope Koolsadhu answers to them.

1. I remember how she shouted at manohar at Archu's marriage, when she got to know that Manav is a mechanic. Couldn't she think that Manohar is Archu's father and he would do something good for her only? She did not allow Archu to go to her in laws just afer wedding. may I know which religion/culture in India allows that? Your daughter is married and you are not allowing her stay at her husband's. That time they were not aware of Savita's nature also. Then how could she say Archu would not be happy there? SD , Manohar took a very big decision without consulting his life partner , however noble and good his purposes may have been and was way out of line . Sulochana was perfectly justified in being very angry with him . Decisions like financial investments , making a will and bequeathing property , arranging marraiges for children are NOT done without consulting each other when a couple is husband and wife . Manohar was WRONG . He hid it from her . Whatttever may be his reason , it is simply not done . She is the girl's mother , she MUST KNOW TO WHOM SHE IS GIVING HER DAUGHTER . Still she controlled herself remarkably well , other women wud have NOT SPOKEN TO HUSBAND FOR MONTHS .

About thinking that since Manohar is the father he will only take good decision for Archu .........sorry , it doesn't work that way . Just as a mother can make mistakes , a father can make mistakes too . They are both human beings. There is no question of distrust on a father's abilities here .......it is a joint decision as the child belongs to BOTH . The child has NOT materialised just out of the father's sperm or just out of the mother's ovum . It is a product of the fusion of BOTH and so BOTH have to consult each other whether they like it or NOT , divorced or undivorced . Manohar;s reasoning of not telling her was absolutely BULL . What wud she have done if after two three days she had gone to meet her daughter in that chawl and understood that the boy is actually only a mechanic , that too , in a garage not even belonging to him ? She wud have had an asthma attack or heart attack right there and perhaps DIED . Manohar did a very foolish thing by deciding to keep silent .

About which region , culture in INdia allows a girl to remain at maayka after she has been married .......Hmmm. Sometimes there are fraudulent marraiges . In which real identity of boy or girl is revealed unfortunately AFTER the ceremony takes place . In your opinion , in such cases , what should the tricked party do ? Continue with the marraige inspite of knowing that the groom is a criminal like AShwin or Ajit just because some moments ago that man put a flower garland around the girl's neck ?Is that flower garland so binding or magical or what ?For that one flower garland or ornament like a mangalsutra the girl must put her whole life at stake and walk like some dumb cow or goat behind that man whom she barely knows and spend the rest of her life suffering ? Why ? Cannot the garland be removed from the neck ?Cannot the mangalsutra be unclasped and kept on the table ? Will there be lightning in the sky and hunder when she does that and will her soul straight go to hell when she dies ?What kind of stunning thought process do these serials project ? This is our culture is it ? What about the great cultural message told in our Bhagwad Gita that DO NOT TOLERATE INJUSTICE AT ANY COST IT IS A FAR MORE GREATER SIN THAN THE ONE DOING THE INJUSTICE ? If the boy's party is doing dowry demands , still the girl must chupchaap live there like a brainless bakri coz the mangalsutra is there in her neck .........it is a magic chain that has screwed her for life ?

I strongly object to the word "ALLOW" that you used in your region and culture statement . My dear , there is no question of anyone allowing or disallowing a girl to stay at her maayka or sasuraal ..........it depends on the girl's wish , her own free will . She is her own master . No region can dictate it to her nor any so called culture .And in this case at that point Archna , since she barely knew Manav decided to go along with her mother . Nothing wrong in that . Later when she felt like it , she did not listen to her mother and went to live with him with her own free will . And thats the way it has to be . No one owns a woman .........least of all a man or his mother who come into her life twentyfive years after she has been born and raised by her own blood family . Neither does any region . And culture is constantly getting updated with changing times .

Also how r u saying at that point they did not know of Savita's nature ? Wasn't it enough that by then Sulochna had understood that the boys mom had royally LIED to her about many crucial things ? About the boy's education , the ownership of garage , about the existence of a second son who was eveteasing girls on the road , about a chawl home ? Wasn't that enough to indicate the real nature ? R u seriously suggesting that inspite of catching such blatant whhite lies an arranged marraige must proceed ?😕 All I can say is I am floored !

2. I remember a scene where Archu was literally asked to choose between mom and hubby. Archu was so afraid of her mother that she decided to sacrifice her mangalsutra. That time Archu and Manav were in love with each other, Archu was willing to stay with Manav and I remember how she was shedding her tears every night. Needless to say the credit goes to Sulochana. Finally Sulochana allowed her to go after a lot of drama. What love ? Archana didnt even know Manav that well . How can u guys give it the name of

love ? Maybe some feelings had been stirred but decisions of life r made on some shaky feelings or experience ? Biggest mistake that Sulochna did was listening to that Kaka and sending Archu there . Could that Kaka control Savita and stop Archu's abuse later ? Sulochana's instincts were accurate .Why should her hesitation and deliberation be regarded as drama ? If like stupid she had just sent her daughter there without any questions she wud have been a 'good ' woman , but if she sent her daughter there by daring to think , reason it out , weigh each decision , she is dramatic ! Kamaal hai bhai !

3. Sulochana has an inherent tendency to misbehave good people. She never says politely to kaka and damodar. When damodar and kaka talk to her in utmost gentle way, she never says thanks to them. rather like yesterday's episode, she ordered damodar "meri beti ka khayal rakhna". She could have thanked damodar that " bhagwan aap ka bhala kare aap ne meri beti ko itna pyar diya" Sending her daughter there just on Kaka's word inspite of finding out that the boy's mom was a royal fraud itself was the biggest Respect Sulochna showed the man . Listening to that alcoholic and giving her daughter's bag to him was the respect she showed Damodar . Is respect shown by the words SORRY OR THANKYOU alone by elders of that age group ? Sometimes actions speak far more than words . And frankly speaking though both these men are nice have they been really able to stop Archu's abuse ? Why wudnt a mother like Sulochna still be uneasy ? In cases like these , mothers end up losing their daughters .........and by losing i mean death ! How worried she must be ? She is worried sick about the survival of her daughter and u guys r going on and on about how she must go around saying verbal SORRIES to kaka and Damodar ?😆

4. She has an inherent tendency to support evil people. manju misbehaves everybody in her family. Evereyone out here must be remebering how Sulo prefers to keep mum over Manju's acts. Like "jab tak yeh ladki is ghar mein rahegi, main idhar wapas nahin aaungi". As a mother-in-law, couldn't she slap her? Oh I am sorry, I was talking about Indian culture, where mother in laws take care of their daughter- in-laws and don't keep silent if they are wrong. This Sulochana culture says that son-in-laws are the only ones to be slapped in public. Manav saved Varsha. was she thankful? Sorry thankfulness is something which is not there in Sulo's dictionary. In this very thread I have made a seperate post regarding Sulochna's favouring of Manju .Please read it if u can . Still i will repeat .........Sulochna does not favour Manju , she loves Punni more and looks the other way so that her son can can still have a marraige and her grandchild does not grow up in a broken home . And sorry dear , a mother in law CANNOT really slap her bahu as a right as such . The slap to MANAV is not a slap of right or haq as such , it was horror of being tricked once more after she had put her trust in him inspite of the lies and sent her daughter there only coz it was told to her that 'the boy was good ' . This issue is not a jamai vs bahu issue at all . In the bahu's case there is a child involved behind who the bahu constantly hides , in the jamai's case still a child has NOT come into the picture so she tells her daughter GET OUT OF THAT MARRAIGE ASAP . And frankly , seeing Archu's abuse , it is not at all wrong .

5. many other things are there, which I am not able to write now. The scrpt writers have made Sulochana a villain. She is a good woman by character.But all her sansakrs are not good thats what I mean to say.Her sanskaars r SAvita's protection , my friend . Savita takes advantage of her decent sanskaars and does dadagiri . Had it been Rasika , by now Savita wud have peed in her sari . Even Girish wud have set Savita straight . And you r saying her sanskaars r not good ..........this is news to me .😆

Originally posted by: samarth_050

@Nikitagmc @ TanyaZ

Ha! All of us are wishing this. The product of amalgamation of 26 pairs from Manav and Archana only and not that sneaking cuckoo! I have tried to accent this with my last post but ended up presenting it poorly!😕

Originally posted by: nikitagmc

@ koolasdhu: Agree with your points

Originally posted by: -SD-

<FONT color=#ff0000>SD , Manohar took a very big decision without consulting his life partner , however noble and good his purposes may have been and was way out of line . Sulochana was perfectly justified in being very angry with him . Decisions like financial investments , making a will and bequeathing property , arranging marraiges for children are NOT done without consulting each other when a couple is husband and wife . Manohar was WRONG . He hid it from her . Whatttever may be his reason , it is simply not done . She is the girl's mother , she MUST KNOW TO WHOM SHE IS GIVING HER DAUGHTER . Still she controlled herself remarkably well , other women wud have NOT SPOKEN TO HUSBAND FOR MONTHS .</FONT>

<FONT color=#ff0000>About thinking that since Manohar is the father he will only take good decision for Archu .........sorry , it doesn't work that way . Just as a mother can make mistakes , a father can make mistakes too . They are both human beings. There is no question of distrust on a father's abilities here .......it is a joint decision as the child belongs to BOTH . The child has NOT materialised just out of the father's sperm or just out of the mother's ovum . It is a product of the fusion of BOTH and so BOTH have to consult each other whether they like it or NOT , divorced or undivorced . Manohar;s reasoning of not telling her was absolutely BULL . What wud she have done if after two three days she had gone to meet her daughter in that chawl and understood that the boy is actually only a mechanic , that too , in a garage not even belonging to him ? She wud have had an asthma attack or heart attack right there and perhaps DIED . Manohar did a very foolish thing by deciding to keep silent .</FONT>

<FONT color=#000000>Kool I understand Mano should have talked to Sulo, But he knew Sulo would never agree. As she was only interested to find a highly paid son-in-law for her school drop put daughter. Mano realised manav is a good Guy, he is perfect for Archna, so he was very right not to consult Sulo. I also know the biology of sperm+ovum, but perhaps Mano could foresee the divine chemistry between Ar and Man, which was prescribed by Bappa. For him his daughter's happiness was more than her arrogant wife's weird Zid.</FONT>

<FONT color=#ff0000>About which region , culture in INdia allows a girl to remain at maayka after she has been married .......Hmmm. Sometimes there are fraudulent marraiges . In which real identity of boy or girl is revealed unfortunately AFTER the ceremony takes place . In your opinion , in such cases , what should the tricked party do ? Continue with the marraige inspite of knowing that the groom is a criminal like AShwin or Ajit just because some moments ago that man put a flower garland around the girl's neck ?Is that flower garland so binding or magical or what ?For that one flower garland or ornament like a mangalsutra the girl must put her whole life at stake and walk like some dumb cow or goat behind that man whom she barely knows and spend the rest of her life suffering ? Why ? Cannot the garland be removed from the neck ?Cannot the mangalsutra be unclasped and kept on the table ? Will there be lightning in the sky and hunder when she does that and will her soul straight go to hell when she dies ?What kind of stunning thought process do these serials project ? This is our culture is it ? What about the great cultural message told in our Bhagwad Gita that DO NOT TOLERATE INJUSTICE AT ANY COST IT IS A FAR MORE GREATER SIN THAN THE ONE DOING THE INJUSTICE ? If the boy's party is doing dowry demands , still the girl must chupchaap live there like a brainless bakri coz the mangalsutra is there in her neck .........it is a magic chain that has screwed her for life ?</FONT>

<FONT color=#ff0000>I strongly object to the word "ALLOW" that you used in your region and culture statement . My dear , there is no question of anyone allowing or disallowing a girl to stay at her maayka or sasuraal ..........it depends on the girl's wish , her own free will . She is her own master . No region can dictate it to her nor any so called culture .And in this case at that point Archna , since she barely knew Manav decided to go along with her mother . Nothing wrong in that . Later when she felt like it , she did not listen to her mother and went to live with him with her own free will . And thats the way it has to be . No one owns a woman .........least of all a man or his mother who come into her life twentyfive years after she has been born and raised by her own blood family . Neither does any region . And culture is constantly getting updated with changing times .</FONT>

<FONT color=#000000>Understand your point. You are right. But how come Sulochana was right not sending her daughter because Manav was a mechanic and living in chawl? All the points you have wriiten above were not applicable that time. She never tried to understand that Archana also likes manav.</FONT>

<FONT color=#ff0000>Also how r u saying at that point they did not know of Savita's nature ? Wasn't it enough that by then Sulochna had understood that the boys mom had royally LIED to her about many crucial things ? About the boy's education , the ownership of garage , about the existence of a second son who was eveteasing girls on the road , about a chawl home ? Wasn't that enough to indicate the real nature ? R u seriously suggesting that inspite of catching such blatant whhite lies an arranged marraige must proceed ?😕All I can say is I am floored !</FONT>

<FONT color=#000000>Yourbeing floored is less important thant Archana being separated from manav due to her mom's ego.</FONT>

2. . <FONT color=#ff0000>What love ? Archana didnt even know Manav that well . How can u guys give it the name of </FONT>

<FONT color=#ff0000>love ? Maybe some feelings had been stirred but decisions of life r made on some shaky feelings or experience ? Biggest mistake that Sulochna did was listening to that Kaka and sending Archu there . Could that Kaka control Savita and stop Archu's abuse later ? Sulochana's instincts were accurate .Why should her hesitation and deliberation be regarded as drama ? If like stupid she had just sent her daughter there without any questions she wud have been a 'good ' woman , but if she sent her daughter there by daring to think , reason it out , weigh each decision , she is dramatic ! Kamaalhai bhai !</FONT>

<FONT color=#000000>You have forgotten dear. ArMan were in love that time. Savita was bad and will continue to be so. This does not mean sulochana will misbehave rest of her family.</FONT>

3. <FONT color=#ff0000>Sending her daughter there just on Kaka's word inspite of finding out that the boy's mom was a royal fraud itself was the biggest Respect Sulochna showed the man . Listening to that alcoholic and giving her daughter's bag to him was the respect she showed Damodar . Is respect shown by the words SORRY OR THANKYOU alone by elders of that age group ? Sometimes actions speak far more than words . And frankly speaking though both these men are nice have they been really able to stop Archu's abuse ? Why wudnt a mother like Sulochna still be uneasy ? In cases like these , mothers end up losing their daughters .........and by losing i mean death ! How worried she must be ? She is worried sick about the survival of her daughter and u guys r going on and on about how she must go around saying verbal SORRIES to kaka and Damodar ?😆</FONT>

This is rubbish. Don't just try to prove you are right. Everybody here accepts that Sulochana was not good while talkingto kaka and Damo.

4. .<FONT color=#ff0000> In this very thread I have made a seperate post regarding Sulochna's favouring of Manju .Please read it if u can . Still i will repeat .........Sulochna does not favour Manju , she loves Punni more and looks the other way so that her son can can still have a marraige and her grandchild does not grow up in a broken home . And sorry dear , a mother in law CANNOT really slap her bahu as a right as such . The slap to MANAV is not a slap of right or haq as such , it was horror of being tricked once more after she had put her trust in him inspite of the lies and sent her daughter there only coz it was told to her that 'the boy was good ' . This issue is not a jamai vs bahu issue at all . In the bahu's case there is a child involved behind who the bahu constantly hides , in the jamai's case still a child has NOT come into the picture so she tells her daughter GET OUT OF THAT MARRAIGE ASAP . And frankly , seeing Archu's abuse , it is not at all wrong .</FONT>

<FONT color=#000000>hats off to you for this argument of urs. Are you an advocate ? Sulochana keeps silent for every evil act of manju. Good to know you have guts to deny that. My friend, on one fine morning I won't be surprised to see your post whereyou prove what Manju is doing is 100% okay.</FONT>

5. many other things are there, which I am not able to write now. The scrpt writers have made Sulochana a villain. She is a good woman by character.But all her sansakrs are not good thats what I mean to say.<FONT color=#ff0000>Her sanskaars r SAvita's protection , my friend . Savita takes advantage of her decent sanskaars and does dadagiri . Had it been Rasika , by now Savita wud have peed in her sari . Even Girish wud have set Savita straight . And you r saying her sanskaars r not good ..........this is news to me .</FONT>

<FONT color=#000000>To protect from savita's abuses was okay. But could these sansakrs protect Archu from the abuses from manju at home in front of everyone? Could she ever tell manju tu aisa nahin keh sakti meri beti ko?</FONT>

Sorry most of the Indians are not takers of the sanskars.

Don't take it personal.

Originally posted by: annie2212

all great posts and I agree fully with the views that this serial shows women in poor light and is sending the wrong message. While I am not a staunch supporter of women being bold to the point of breaking a marriage just because there are situations/factors which are unpleasant, I do agree that when the water is going to goabove the head, you should take matters in your hand. Here it is clearly the case. A bad mouthing MIL is one thing, but a woman who has no sense of humanity, who is downright evil is totally different.

Talking about Archana, I can understand her predicament. Her family member (even if it is her Vahini) is responsible for the death of her brother in-law. And she is powerless to do anything againts her vahini. So she decides to help Manav and his family in any way that she can - as penance. If she had known before she stopped the divorce that Manav plans to marry Shravani to save her honor, she wouldn't have stopped it. I can't find fault with her. She is an honest, simple, submissive (yet strong in some ways) girl who always thinks about others before herself.

Manav - There was a lot of potential to this character. They started by showing him to be a man of principles, who in spite of coming from a humble background, showed more depth of character than the eductaed guys. But in the course of the story, his principles got misplaced. It is understandable if he is incapable of pointing fingers at his aai. But there was nothing to stop him from preventing his aai's inhuman behaiour towards Archana. He can sternly tell his aai, I am willing to do as you want and marry Shravani for everyone's sake. But one more word against Archana while she is here for 3 months and I am out of this house.' That would have bought him our respect to some extent.

As for Shravani, kaka and Vandu, I have no words.

But one person who has impressed me so far is Satish. His is a great character and I hope they keep him that way. It would be interesting to see how Varsha slowly comes to realize Satish's goodness and falls in love with him.