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Posted: 15 years ago

#11

There is certainly a lot of blame to go around from both Manav and Archana, as well as both their families for Arman's broken relationship. I still say Manjusha, Rasika, and Ajit are the instigators from the beginning and should pay the most. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet 😡

I'm glad that for now at least Archana has taken the first step to repair her and Manav's relationship. I believe Arman both still love and care for each other, no matter how much Manav refuses to show it. Someone had to make the first move and hopefully Archana will not let anyone stand in her way back to her Manav.

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 15 years ago

#12

Charishma dont apologize for speaking out frankly about Manav...........there r quite some here who share ur sentiments. Me , for instance .😊

nikita no one is saying Manav doesnt have a right to be angry . But the excuse u give for him..........saying he is marrying Shravani coz he had already made up his mind to divorce Archu and it is not the other way round ..........frankly dear it is a valiant attempt on your part to defend sweetu Manav and awfully loyal of u. Please dont be angry at me for saying this coz i love ur posts.

Coz nikita..........if we view Archu Manav as lovers , Manav fails . If what u say is true , that Manav made up his mind to divorce Archu on the day his family was put in jail ...............then his outburst in front of the judge would be BUT NOW I WANT THIS DIVORCE and he wud turn his back on Archna and walk off . Be angry as hell wth her during the 3 month stay . All that was expected and understandable to us viewers .........what is NOT acceptable or understandable however is why the hell shud he commit himself to another woman for whatever reasons in that angry period . One can stay angry with his lover or spouse without commitming to another man or woman too .

When Archana refused Satish publicly she was angry with Mamav ........Manav had not been exonerated by then . She had no proof of his innocence ........nothing , Besides she had suffered intense character assasination from his mother in public by then . Yet her very being rebelled against the thought of another man .......she was repulsed , revolted by the very thought . That is the quintessential lover for u ........true to her love even at the peak of her anger . Even among the height of her anger she did not sign on the divorce papers .........she said I want to see his signature FIRST . THere is a message there in this ...........she is in love , and not willing to let it go and true to it .............her rebellion against Sulochana started actually at these points .

Manav cud have remained angry with Archana ...........even after that three month stay if he still hadnt forgiven her I wud understand . But then the answer from his end to Shravni's proposal shud have been ...........I am burned out . Chalo ok , dont even say I still love Archu . Say simply I am burned out , I have nothing more to give. Still u remain a faithful lover . By agreeing to marry the girl he desroyed it ..........the pavitra rishta.

And currently he is not even willing to question Archu about her refusal.............coz he doesn't even want to get into it or leave any gate open for the whys and the Hows .............as his priorities have changed . They r his brother's child and his bros unwedded wife . He made this self inflicted responsibility his priority ...........he has no time now to even be angry with Archana ...........its like who the hell is interested in even being Angry with Archana , who has the bloody time for these things..........Shravani YOU are my responsibility . Just See how he talked to Shravani and said........what relation between me and Archu r u talking about . Even Shravani acknowledged it but Not Manav .

And so , as a lover , he failed miserably . And if u say my dear that inspite of knowing the truths about Archu later if he still continues with Shravani then we will say he is wrong etc etc ............it is giving him a lot of latitude which somehow never was given to Archu by any Manav fan . Not fair , Not fair .

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Nikita Lakhe

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Posted: 15 years ago

#13

@koolsadhu: Aww.. come on.. you've read enough of my posts to know that I'm not a blind Manav fan.... here I'm not being loyal.. I'm just trying to see things from Manav's point of view..

I've said countless of times before that it wud have been much better if he had refused marriage to Shravani... much much better.. to me this whole remarriage business seems a big, big mistake on Manav's part, a weak decision taken in the heat of emotions.. and a lot of guilt placed on him by his mother.

But these are my own views.

Right now as I see things from his point of view.. its like...'My marriage is over.. loving Archna was the worst mistake of my life... and I will never be able to love someone else... I will never be able to move on in life... all Shravani needs is the NAME of a husband, and the child needs the NAME of a father. So why not sacrifice my own life.. as it is my love and my life is over, my heart is burned out and the vows of marriage don't make sense to me anymore, I don't believe in it anymore... so why not go through this drama just for society's sake, as a 'certificate' for shravani to live happily with the baby.. cos my own life is useless anyway.. at least someone else will be saved from hell at my expense.' That's Manav for you. In fact that was the thing that was always shown in his character... he has never been a sort of fighter... he has always been more of a silent lover.. and not to mention a kind and helpful person who wud never like to bring dishonor to a girl in front of society. (now here my intention is not praise Manav, but to tell you how his character has always been portrayed). and especially when he knows so well that her father wud force her to have an abortion and lead Shravani to suicide... (she herself said she wud die if forced)

This Manav unfortunately, as Tanyaz rightly said also has this terrible guilt of his brother's death as well as his family's misfortunes which he thinks were caused due to his marriage with Archana. Right now what he wants is just to gather the leftover crumbs of life and move on with them so as not to make life more miserable for his family.. And hence this decision, taken in a weak and emotional moment, knowing very well that it is a compromise on both sides, taken only for the sake of the baby.

Archana refusing to marry Satish was in contrast a different matter altogether.. her mother wanted her to marry to move on in life, be happy, get settled with a good man. Archana refused however cos the thought of even getting close to another person was revolting. Plus she felt it wud be unfair to Satish as well. All this is not true in Manav's case. He is not marrying to move on in life... in fact this marriage is more of a punishment, he is not marrying for happiness, he is not marrying to get settled, and the question of getting close to Shravani does not arise at all.. he clearly told Shravani.. you are making a compromise for your baby and I am making one for my brother. He knows that it is a compromise for Shravani as well and both have accepted it as that.. no false hopes to shravani about life after marriage here. Is this even a marriage??? Cos I don't believe that marriage are made only by signing in papers on court or taking rounds of the holy fire. Marriages are made by love and respect. And Manav was always the type of person who placed love and only love at a much higher pedestal than marriage... in fact for Archana's happiness he decided to end his marriage and let her move on with Satish.... if there is no love, the marriage is meaningless is his idea and so from his point of view This marriage is a contract, nothing else. That they will be bound to each other in front of society for the sake of the baby and reputation. Shravani will be free to miss Sachin and remember him in the form of the baby (that's what she's keeping the baby for, right) and Manav will be free to.. well.. do whatever he wants to do with his life.

About not even trying to talk to Archana or being interested to ask about the whys and hows, do you really expect him to do it in face of the terrble anger he has towards her?? Why will he be interested when he has broken this relationship from his side and has no interest in joining it again as of now, cos the respect and trust that Archana had in his heart is gone now.

About not acknowledging the relationship in front of shravani, the man has given up on his marriage. Totally given up, doesn't want to sit talking or pondering about it... maybe afraid of even expecting things again cos of the hurt he has got... remember what he said to his dad when he tried to reason with him, 'nothing can happen now, everything is finished.. just let whatever is happening now happen.' He is just trying to show that he is very tough and has recovered from the whole thing so that Shravani does not feel guilty (as she felt before in hospital) whereas the truth is that he is breaking down inside.

Please don't bash me up now, I swear, am not being 'loyal' to Manav, I'm just stating my point of view.

Edited by nikitagmc - 15 years ago

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 15 years ago

#14

nikita

very beautifully written .

My current anger against Manav is only bcoz he placed responsibility above love . Like i said in another thread , Ram left sita when chaos threatened to break out in his kingdom due to a dhobi's remark........the dhobi actually was an excuse , a mouthpiece for a lot of opinions that were simmering beneath the surface , and he tactlessly blurted them out one day . Ram's political enemies wud have created chaos in the kingdom and at that point stability was required , so it ws a forced political decision to send Sita away . Later many pressurized him to marry for an heir but he didnt .........he stated that he could not go byond these adjustments . His own father had 3 queens and it was perfectly normal for him to remarry but he didnt . So in a sense Sita won as a woman for Ram slept on the floor and ate fuits and roots for the years that passed later .

So he was true to his love while being responsible . And I wanted this from Manav . I wanted him to say I am burned out .

I will forgive him if he dumps Shravani on his own and returns to Archu . But i have this nagging feeling tht he will return to Archu either bcoz the baby will die , or if Shravni herself releases him from the bond , or due to Shravani turning out as evil as Manju or Savita and we some twist in Sachin's death ............

Now that will be a travesty of love .

What u said is true . I myself said this in a post that releasing her like that coz Satish wud give her more than him , was indeed egoless love . Such a state of egolessness is true love indeed . And Manav had it . So I will hope and hope as a viewer that whatever twist Ekta introduces , I want to see him rise above everything and protect Archana again. As she badly needs his protection from Savita and even her own vahini Manjusha. Only he can give it to her . The vulnerable state that she is in.........she needs his hand over her head . I didn't mean this in a chauvinistic sense , I mean this in a emotional sense . Manav needs to understand about his mother Savita just like Archu came to know the truth about Manju when she caught her stealing the tape red handed. So long as Manav remains blind to Savita's deeds , his character doesn't develop . See how archu's character developed the moment she understood the truth..........by leaps and bounds . I hope Manav develops even more than her for in the title song it is Manav who protects her , Manav is the unique one.

your post was simply superb . Hats off to you .

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Nikita Lakhe

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Posted: 15 years ago

#15

@koolsadhu1000: Gosh, that was such a relief...!!!

Thank God, at least someone in the forum actually understood what I have been trying to say!!

Koolsadhu, do you know why I am always attracted to this character of Manav??? Why I love him so much??? Cos his love never remained in the bounds of marriage or tradition.. it is pure love, selfless and sweet..

It never mattered to him in the initial episodes of the serial that the girl he loved was getting married to someone else much better than himself... he was always happy that she was getting her fair share of happiness. He loved her but never expected marriage cos he thought it wudn't be fair on her since she was way out of his league and he was a poor match for her. After they were married when he felt her happiness lay in Satish, he quietly stepped back and signed the divorce papers.. the same divorce papers that he had refused to sign when his mother threatened to leave the house.

We never saw him insulting Satish, instead he always treated Satish with utmost respect, cos in his eyes he was the person who wud be giving Archana happiness and a happy married life.

And that is why Manav agreeing to marry Shravani doesn't affect me at all... cos for Manav marriage doesn't hold that much value as compared to love.. he choose to throw his own 'pavitra rishta' in the dustbin (sorry for the choice of words) to give happiness to the one person he loved truly.

And it is for these reasons solely that I love him... for a person like Manav is rare to find whose love is not restricted by the norms created by society...

He chose responsibility over love as of now, this actually made me feel sad to see how much defeated in love he felt... .. at this moment he has let himself be used as a tissue paper thinking my life is in the waste paper basket anyway.. at least someone else will wipe her tears with it. Not a right decision.. but this is the Manav we know and love who wud always place others well being and happiness over his own...

Besides Ram sent Sita away to the forest to fulfill his responsibility but never married anyone else right... that was his love for her,... that he cud never come close to another woman for a heir....I see the same thing here as well.... Manav agrees to marry Shravani to fulfill his (so-called) responsibility, but is fully prepared that this marriage is loveless, and only a compromise from both sides (he says it openly to shravani even that both of us are making compromises).. he knows he can never come close to another woman physically or emotionally other than Archu , whom he has loved with all his heart.... everyone remembers that he convinced Shravani of marrying her.. but everyone forgets that he also CLEARLY told her that marriage is a compromise from both sides.... Considering that his love has always held a much higher pedestal than marriage...(and that too this marriage is a contract marriage), don't you think both Ram and Manav stayed true to their love while fulfilling their responsibilities, and both Archna and Sita won as women???

Wud LOVE to know your views.

Edited by nikitagmc - 15 years ago

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Johanne Jahanara

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Posted: 15 years ago

#16

Question : what now ? as long as someone does not reincarnate as the opposite, fake death, get amnisia, becomes filthy rich being discovered as a new model,etc. ...you may pick anyone

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 15 years ago

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nikita

I feel bound to admit here that perhaps you have understood the character of Manav much more correctly than any of us .

Every word you have said is true . His love was selfless and egoless and when Archana said that he is worth worshipping , she was very true indeed . And I think she came upto his level when she said to her mother I have to go there more for myself than any other factor . Such egoless guilt ! I admit Ekta has never been able to come up with better characters . Jai Walia and Bani in Kasam se were nothing compared to these two so I hope they dont destroy this serial by turning it into a KS .

About the Ram point . I think Ram drew the line at responsibility and allowed himself only that moment of the lover above responsibility when he refused his Guru , minister and mothers to remarry for an heir saying his brothers children would do just fine . Coz just as it was a political decision to send Sita away , it was political pressure to marry for an heir . But he drew the line there and I feel immensely proud of him when i read the Ramayan. It was the one thing in life in which he didnt adjust ..........replacing Sita for whatever reasons . I think if he had been forced more , he wud have handed over the kingdom to Laxman and retired to the forest ........and sensing that , even Vasishta..his guru , withdrew . Sita won all the way .

I see your point . Manav has not agreed to marry Shravani for moving on in life........i agree totally to that . His decision to marry shravani is as selfless as his decision was to give Archana up for Satish thinking he cud give her more happiness . True . The only mistake he made was during that time he didnt confront Archana to know her views and took a decision for her .He shud have asked archana if Satish made her happy and then taken the decision .........as what better person cud answer him than Archu as to where her happiness lay ? Manav made a grave mistake in loving archu far too much and assuming things for her ............but i guess that is forgivable coz those who love too much , often make this mistake.........of assuming for their loved ones . Like Sulochna did by deciding to get Archu engaged to Satish . Same mistake.

Now Manav's mistake is not in betraying Archu , not even in trying to be responsible and bringing back some happiness back to his family in the form of Sachin's son , his mistake is in not detecting the guilt trip laid by his mom on him ......in not detecing that the same accusations laid on poor Archana .......characterwise , r not even thought of in Shravani's context . He shud have shown at least some anger towards Girish . He didnt and we r all stunned . So in effect , what is expected of Manav is a logical , fair mind........just the way Damodar has . Damodar's alcoholism , jail period , grief at losing a son........nothing affected his rational thinking and so he arrived at the correct conclusion about Archana much faster than Manav . Damodar has a terrific judgement of human character and knows Savita exactly for what she is . Manav has not inherited this from him and this is his greatest flaw .

Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago

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Nikita Lakhe

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Posted: 15 years ago

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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
nikita

I feel bound to admit here that perhaps you have understood the character of Manav much more correctly than any of us .

Gosh.. that is really is a big, big compliment!! And what makes it more special is that it came from you...!!!!

Every word you have said is true . His love was selfless and egoless and when Archana said that he is worth worshipping , she was very true indeed . And I think she came upto his level when she said to her mother I have to go there more for myself than any other factor . Such egoless guilt ! I admit Ekta has never been able to come up with better characters . Jai Walia and Bani in Kasam se were nothing compared to these two so I hope they dont destroy this serial by turning it into a KS .

I agree absolutely!! Archana is really lucky to have got a husband and lover like Manav.. and Manav is truly lucky to such a caring and loving wife... two perfect characters, tailor made for each other.

About the Ram point . I think Ram drew the line at responsibility and allowed himself only that moment of the lover above responsibility when he refused his Guru , minister and mothers to remarry for an heir saying his brothers children would do just fine . Coz just as it was a political decision to send Sita away , it was political pressure to marry for an heir . But he drew the line there and I feel immensely proud of him when i read the Ramayan. It was the one thing in life in which he didnt adjust ..........replacing Sita for whatever reasons . I think if he had been forced more , he wud have handed over the kingdom to Laxman and retired to the forest ........and sensing that , even Vasishta..his guru , withdrew . Sita won all the way .

I see your point . Manav has not agreed to marry Shravani for moving on in life........i agree totally to that . His decision to marry shravani is as selfless as his decision was to give Archana up for Satish thinking he cud give her more happiness . True . The only mistake he made was during that time he didnt confront Archana to know her views and took a decision for her .He shud have asked archana if Satish made her happy and then taken the decision .........as what better person cud answer him than Archu as to where her happiness lay ? Manav made a grave mistake in loving archu far too much and assuming things for her ............but i guess that is forgivable coz those who love too much , often make this mistake.........of assuming for their loved ones . Like Sulochna did by deciding to get Archu engaged to Satish . Same mistake.

Agree with you on both counts.. I feel proud of Lord Ram for the same reason... and I love Manav for the same reason. It might not be right to compare him with God... but ultimately Manav does seem to be following the footsteps of the Lord he believes in.

And trust me, this is exactly what I wanted the forum members to understand, be angry with Manav, but don't hate him, cos just like Archana, even I feel, a person, or rather a character like him needs to be respected... put yourself in the shoes of the character, cos when we don't we grossly tend to misunderstand them and overlook the little intricacies of life that they can teach us.

Now Manav's mistake is not in betraying Archu , not even in trying to be responsible and bringing back some happiness back to his family in the form of Sachin's son , his mistake is in not detecting the guilt trip laid by his mom on him ......in not detecing that the same accusations laid on poor Archana .......characterwise , r not even thought of in Shravani's context . He shud have shown at least some anger towards Girish . He didnt and we r all stunned . So in effect , what is expected of Manav is a logical , fair mind........just the way Damodar has . Damodar's alcoholism , jail period , grief at losing a son........nothing affected his rational thinking and so he arrived at the correct conclusion about Archana much faster than Manav . Damodar has a terrific judgement of human character and knows Savita exactly for what she is . Manav has not inherited this from him and this is his greatest flaw .

Agree with you absolutely on these lines, I hope we see Manav realising all this in the show as well... many of these are loopholes that the creatives tend to forget most of the time. But I am happy that they prevented serious character butchering of a lovable character called Manav. And when responsible and thinking viewers like you think about this character and analyse it for yourself, not to mention graciously accept others opinion of the same... it actually means the character is successful in the true sense.. leaving its mark in the right way..

Thanks a lot!!!

From a proud Manav fan!!!

(Am seriously thinking of taking up psychiatry now!!😆)

Edited by nikitagmc - 15 years ago

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toothbrush13

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Posted: 15 years ago

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Really nice posts Nikita and Koolsadhu! They're really a joy to read, you two are absolutely amazing.

Hmm... although I may get ticked off at Manav quite often these days, its really because I can see both sides of the story. If we think about it, Manav has seen maybe .5% of what we have, especially concerning Archana's actions in the past month (as well as everything his aai did). I have to remind myself that he has NO IDEA that Archana shot down the Satish proposal instantly, that she told her entire society that she only loves him (Manav), that she broke off ties with Manjusha and now has even rebelled against her mother, all for him.

In fact, he must be confused like no other. His life is just spiraling out of control and getting more and more dramatic each day. Satish coming by and saying that he likes Varsha not Archana, and Varsha saying that Archana didn't file the complaint, although commendable actions, don't do much to help him understand any of what is going on. At this point, he probably doesn't even want to know more as he just wants to stop any more bad things from happening. He tries to act tough, but that's only because if he doesn't then who else will? He's always been the main support system of his family, so he may feel that, if he falters then what will happen to them? I feel that, on the inside, he is completely shattered and scared. Shattered, obviously, as he feels that his life is over. Scared, of what will happen. He already feels that his one act of being "selfish" (in allowing himself to fall in love with and marry Archana) has ruined everything, and he doesn't want to ruin anymore.

I've also noticed that he cannot look Archana in the eye, and I find that very peculiar and noteworthy. Its a really complex idea, I don't know if I'll be able to get it across properly... I'm so burned out from exams and debate tournaments that the words just aren't coming to me. Let me try though... it seems that he is so in love with her, that he knows that if he looks at her he will believe her. (Remember, it was those very eyes that he had fallen in love with.) Him averting her eyes is almost like a reaction from the war between his mind and his heart. His heart which wants to believe Archana and be with her and be protected and loved and his mind which tells him that there is no more hope of that. Like I noted earlier, he seems really confused, so its as if he's trying to convince himself that the relationship is over, which is why he keeps on telling Shravani that and why he tries to avoid Archana and when he does come across her is really "tough". Its quite complex, and I don't think I'm getting it across the right way, so I'll just stop, I think whoever is reading though may get my notion.

Sometimes, I can't believe that I actually take time to think and write about a TV SHOW so much. 😆

Edited by toothbrush13 - 15 years ago

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Muneera

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Posted: 15 years ago

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Originally posted by: nikitagmc
I wud say just give some time to the character of Manav. I know right now a lot of people are angry cos of his decision to marry Shravani... but try and understand his point of view... it is impossible for a person to want to keep a relationship with a woman after so much wrong has been done.. if you were in Manav's shoes, and your family tortured in this way wud you have liked Archana to come back to your house... wud your wounds heal in one sorry?? Plus the disrespect and injustice to Archana part do not get to me at all??? What injustice?? Is he doing it intentionally?? He is not divorcing Archu to get married to Shravani... he is getting married to Shravani cos he is getting divorced. For him this relationship broke the day his people were tortured in jail... he made this statement in jail. At that time Shravani was nowhere in the picture.. Everyone is blaming him for not being happy when Archu refused divorce... if I was in his place even I wudn't have been happy... wud have said after all that has happened what is left in this relationship that you want to save.
If tmorrow he decides to marry Shravani despite getting to know the truths about Archu and her genuine love for him then of course we can say he is doing injustice, etc. etc.

well said man!

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