Basics bhool gaye kunal babu? - Page 2

• Which Indian court works 24/7 that the murder case proceedings are happening in super speed? Even the fast track case takes few days to go on trial. Here we see on day 1 the accident happens and in the next 2 days the case is already on trial, which planet do these people live in? 😲

Yes it does take time.If I am not mistaken after an FIR was filed , the police have to investigate the matter , prepare a chargesheet and then the trail will start.If you look at Jessica Lal murder case the incident happened on April 29th 1999 while the chargesheet was filed only on August 3rd 1999.
But here we saw Thakral file a criminal compliant against Siddhi, now in the case of a criminal compliant, I quote information I got after some reasearch:
"It may be noted that in case of a criminal complaint, the court may hear the case and pass the orders for search & seizure on the same day of the filing of the criminal complaint or adjourn the case for 2-3 days for preliminary evidence, arguments and consideration. Normally the criminal process takes one week to initiate."
So given the above condition I believe it is possible for the case to have started within a day or two of the incident taking place considering Thakral had all the evidence in place.
Eitherways I am not going to complain that the proceedings started too soon , it only helps to have a fast paced judicial system in the country but yes that is not often the realistic picture.In a way they did sent out a good social message.😆

• There was no mention of FIR again, who filed the accident case against siddhi? Thakral filed the murder charges but it happened on the bases of the accident case right? Why didn't kunal ask for those details? 😕

This I agree, who filed the initial compliant against Siddhi? Thakral got to know that the accident was caused by Siddhi he went ahead and filed a criminal compliant, that is fine but how did the police aarive at the conclusion it was Siddhi.Was an FIR filed? It has to be in all accident cases, if so who filed it?How did the investigation proceed and who identified Siddhi? We must not forget all this happened in less than 3 hours so its pretty obvious the police were tipped off about Siddhi.So why did Kunal not ask for all this information?

• Who were the eye-witnesses who identified siddhi's car & rohit by which siddhi was arrested, why weren't those eye-witnesses questioned by kunal?😕

Exactly!!

• Why didn't kunal question thakral about Rohit? What the heck was he doing in the middle of the road on a rainy night? When he had a car & usually travelled by it, there was no need for him to walk down the road to get killed.🤢

Again I expected this when Kunal made 'marta wahi hain jo marna chahta hain' and 'foolproof criminal conspiracy' and I have been repeatedly asking the same in all my stinkers!! So maybe we will get answers soon.😆

• If co-incidentally that hotel kunal pointed to siddhi was the rendezvous for Rohit to meet Raveena, it would have come to light that these both were supposed to meet that night & the purpose would have been known to all of kunal had asked the above question.Am sure dumbeena is hiding major info about that night, she looked super guilty today.😡

Not so sure if she was guilty or scared, cannot vouch for her acting powress!!!

• The CCTV footage was hazy & we didn't get to see exactly what was in that, kunal could have dismissed that as evidence coz it wasn't clear & no one could prove that the person driving the car was siddhi or the person who got hit by that car was Rohit.

Again why was it not argued to dismiss it as evidence considering it did not give a clear picture.All Kunal had to do was ask "How does this establish that the driver is Siddhi and the person being hit is Rohit?" And moreover Siddhi said she walked back to check , if so she would have been captured too , Kunal should have raised this point and asked for an extended video clipping.For starters he should have procured the same footage , analysed it and then come to court.
Again why was the whole when hit by an automobile the chances of the body falling right there is very less not pursued? The CCTV footage did not show Siddhi alter her speed or motion which would have been necessary if she had to drive the car over Rohit to seal his death.

• The forensic report of the car print looked like it was a science project, how can they get such clear print of the tyre when siddhi drove the car in slushy rain after the hit to reach her brother's place? There should have been a muddy print not blood print.

Yes a blood print would have been unlikely what could have been got probably was an image of the blood splatter showing up under black light.As far as I remember the road seemed to be clean so maybe not a muddy print too.All they had to do was show that the tyre pattern of the car Siddhi was driving matched with the tyre imprints retrieved from Rohit's body.
What Kunal could have done here is ask from where was the tyre imprints retrieved from Rohit's body , if it was clothes could they not have been fabricated? Maybe a shot in the dark but a shot nevertheless.

• There was no mention of how Rohit's body was found, isn't that vital to asses how the hit was done & which way the body was thrown to have been killed.

• Every homicide or murder trail should have victim's photos, nobody even bothered to get those photos in the court. Nor the post-mortem report was mentioned, it would have thrown some light on how Rohit died.😲

Exactly!! No post-mortem report , no images, no details on the kind of injuries sustained.The judge cannot rule a judgement for this case atleast in one hearing.I don't get it why Kunal did not ask for time to prove his client innocent.Siddhi cried pleaded and was awarded the same despite having got ample time before.

These were enough for kunal to have asked the judge for extension of the trail to gather info regarding these unsolved questions.

How can a judge pass on the final verdict without any hard evidence and counter arguments is beyond me?😲 Thakral has filed the murder case against siddhi in a sessions court, if the verdict is against siddhi kunal can appeal in higher court. Why are they behaving as if he's fighting the case in Supreme Court and there is no hope at all? 🤢

Seriously can't imagine why kunal would take the blame to rescue siddhi when he can use his brains & work out the case sensibly 😕. It was disappointing to see him today. What muhurat are veera waiting for i don't get 😡, few days ago viks was giving big bashan that he wudn't close his case as it would be helpful to siddhi's case. Well, the case is about to end viks, when do you plan to tell that to kunal?😡 Me in my sleepy state could list out so many pointer, kunal chopra you are wide awake, when will we get to see your gold medallist lawyer skills at work?

Going by the latest promo it seems like it's in deep sleep 🥱, jago kunal jago 😡

I am still pretty hopefull that the whole 'taking up the blame' is a game by Kunal.Wait until tomorrow to hit me!!!

PS: Those who want to comment that I shouldn't find logic in EK's show can save the trouble of posting it, no offence to anyone. Even though it's a fictional show, they are showing a real profession so logic and sense has to be there.

Originally posted by: Murali28

well said yaaar ...but whie watching soaps we have to put our brains outside...its all for aam janta ke liye...even i also wandering...with in fraction why poilice arrested siddi...who did complaint againist siddi,...whr is FIR, intni jaldi hearing ...wat a crap...

Originally posted by: rainbowgirl

Am not in law profession nor I had any law related subject in college but my logic brain isn't able to take the fact that the gold medallist lawyer Kunal Chopra forgot or didn't argue the case in a sensible way today😒. Here are some pointers which could strengthen kunal's defense.

• Which Indian court works 24/7 that the murder case proceedings are happening in super speed? Even the fast track case takes few days to go on trial. Here we see on day 1 the accident happens and in the next 2 days the case is already on trial, which planet do these people live in? 😲

Very true which court in any country around the world would take someone to court within 48 hours?? Not even here in England does anyone go to court on a charge of murder within 48 hours. There are fast track sessions but even they take 2 - 3 weeks. Maybe they are trying to show the strength of Takkral's infulence but still it doesn't make sense, not even the fast postmortum makes sense. 😕

• There was no mention of FIR again, who filed the accident case against siddhi? Thakral filed the murder charges but it happened on the bases of the accident case right? Why didn't kunal ask for those details?

Agree with you here. On what basis is he taking Siddhi to court when the police has not produced the FIR. Agreed that she was in jail over night, but no paperwork by the police?? The police man who came to court wasn't around when Siddhi made the threat that Takrral recorded or when Siddhi was aressted. So how can he say that he tried to stop her from making the threat? This seems one of Takkral's tricks.

• Who were the eye-witnesses who identified siddhi's car & rohit by which siddhi was arrested, why weren't those eye-witnesses questioned by kunal?

There were witnesses. The truck driver, the guys in the car that passed Siddhi while she was searching what hit her car. People in other vehicles on the road. Siddhi has not fully opened up as to what happened so how can Kunal go and question anyone?

• Why didn't kunal question thakral about Rohit? What the heck was he doing in the middle of the road on a rainy night? When he had a car & usually travelled by it, there was no need for him to walk down the road to get killed.🤢

Takkral doesn't seem to keep tabs on what his kids do! He said that he should have stopped Rohit from leaving the house that night but does he know who he was going to meet?? Kunal will question him but at the moment Kunal has nothing to run on. Your point about him usually driving is correct, but I have a feeling after looking at the video that Takkral provided as evidence as a bit fidgity. Did you see it? It looks as if Rohit was running. Maybe he was running from someone? and he was bent down so how could Siddhi see him. The other point is that there is a difference between hitting some and driving over someone. Obviously you would feel something bumpy if the car had gone over? From the episode of siddhi in the car it look as if she hit something. On the other hand this could have been a plan by Rohit to get Siddhi out of his way but unfortuately the plan took the wrong turn and he died.

• If co-incidentally that hotel kunal pointed to siddhi was the rendezvous for Rohit to meet Raveena, it would have come to light that these both were supposed to meet that night & the purpose would have been known to all of kunal had asked the above question.Am sure dumbeena is hiding major info about that night, she looked super guilty today.😡

Yes Siddhi is hiding the facts to protect ViRa but in the process she is ruining her own life.

• The CCTV footage was hazy & we didn't get to see exactly what was in that, kunal could have dismissed that as evidence coz it wasn't clear & no one could prove that the person driving the car was siddhi or the person who got hit by that car was Rohit.

Correct but you could still make out some of it. Please look at 4th comment.

• The forensic report of the car print looked like it was a science project, how can they get such clear print of the tyre when siddhi drove the car in slushy rain after the hit to reach her brother's place? There should have been a muddy print not blood print.

The tyre print could have been from another car. Tyre producers don't make just one type of tyre for an individual car. Tyres are sold wholesale and he can't base it on the fact he got if from Siddhi's vehilce cos other cars can have the same tyre. The print of a tyre can be clear as can a boot print but this does seem another of Takkral's tricks. It looked more like paint than blood and the mud on the print wasn't consistant throughout the print as it should have been. The forensic report has probabily been fabricated. In fact they did not show that the police had taken the car to the forensics for investigation and If they had the police would have not returned it so fast so that SiNal and the rest of the family could go to court within 48 hours.

• There was no mention of how Rohit's body was found, isn't that vital to assess how the hit was done & which way the body was thrown to have been killed.

Correct no FIR, no information on the body.

Every homicide or murder trail should have victim's photos, nobody even bothered to get those photos in the court. Nor the post-mortem report was mentioned, it would have thrown some light on how Rohit died.😲

It is fact no postmortum pictures have been produced in court so I wonder what the Judge's decision is going to be based on? There is no factual evidence as yet. They are just showing a storming Takkral who seems to know his way with words. He cannot base a decision on a onesided story. Kunal should be given time to present his side. If the judge provides judgement in today's episode then that is truely unprofessional and the Judge should be de-barred!

Please look at

Thakral has filed the murder case against siddhi in a sessions court, if the verdict is against siddhi kunal can appeal in higher court. Why are they behaving as if he's fighting the case in Supreme Court and there is no hope at all? 🤢

This is typical EK style.

These were enough for kunal to have asked the judge for extension of the trail to gather info regarding these unsolved questions.

Seriously can't imagine why kunal would take the blame to rescue siddhi when he can use his brains & work out the case sensibly . It was disappointing to see him today. What muhurat are veera waiting for i don't get 😡, few days ago viks was giving big bashan that he wudn't close his case as it would be helpful to siddhi's case. Well, the case is about to end viks, when do you plan to tell that to kunal?😡 Me in my sleepy state could list out so many pointer, kunal chopra you are wide awake, when will we get to see your gold medallist lawyer skills at work?

I'm sure it will open up soon. Viks should go and talk to Kunal.

Going by the latest promo it seems like it's in deep sleep 🥱, jago kunal jago 😡

🤣 I like that! But seriously Kunal cannot do his work properly until he gets all of the fact. The video shown in court was partial as it did not show that Siddhi got out of the car and went in search for what she had hit. Kunal should have pointed that out at least!

PS: Those who want to comment that I shouldn't find logic in EK's show can save the trouble of posting it, no offence to anyone. Even though it's a fictional show, they are showing a real profession so logic and sense has to be there.

Originally posted by: Fariyal

Hej Ramya,
It's been quite a day & am knackered, but I didn't want to turn in without giving you the thumbs up👍🏼

I'm sure Chits will come up with more to add to your already substantial list of irregularities, so I shan't venture there...

Considering the PH that this show comes from & its reputation for en masse catering, I'm not holding out for clever writing or tight screenplay. Mediocrity with a capital M is the order of the day. However, like you, separating logic from the rest of me is not something I care to do... I leave that to the Homo erectus ...you know, the older model that we mostly replaced...yet there are some that walk amongst us!

As before, much of what you've raised will be lost in translation, swept under the carpet or plain conveniently over looked..that I have no doubt about.
Some will hopefully be brought to light, as the fog is shown lifting from around Mr. Chopra. The hazy video & Raveena/Vikram's role in this, Im particularly hopeful about.
The "ilzaam" promo isn't what it seems either. What might start off as a genuine last ditch effort to save a loved one, might well set the ball in motion, unearthing dirt as it gathers speed...

After viewing the IF video where Samir Soni talks about trying to meet viewers expectations & infusing some intelligence into the show, I'm relatively sanguine that the rants, stinkers, pleas are being heard. Yes I dare hope that it isn't all applesauce & that they do have a couple of healthy bunnies they'll pull out of the hat in the coming days...



PS: Since I'm still on with my rants/pleas/suggestions, I'm going to use some of your points here in my msgs to the youknowwhos, if that's ok with you.

Originally posted by: chitsss

Murali whom are you referring to when you say aam janta? Us right including you me and the others? Are you ok with been considered brain dead? Are you saying we don't like logic and sense to prevail?😉

Aree I am sure we all do, so ask for it .Whats the harm?😉

Originally posted by: BHAVI1972

Ramya 👏 👏 👏 for not losing hope on this show and giving CVS idea as to what we want to see. Your post reminded me of Chitra's post. She had made a similar post at the end of the last case.👍🏼

It pains me that we can do research on any profession but these CVS don't even do their research or homework prior to showing any professional on the screen. May be CVS have taken it for granted that their shows are only meant for the people with low IQ who watches these show either for good face actors or for their clothes.😡

Just watched IF video on Parichay in which Sameer himself confirms that this show will eventually be shown intelligent and the whole unit is working towards it. The big question is are these CVS trained to think outside the box? All these years they have just worked on the same old track and in your words used ctrl C and ctrl V do they have the capability to do enough research and put forward the track that has all the elements of an intelligent show? 😕

I usually hate comparison but for those who feels that the daily soaps should not have the element of logic would like to point one show out there called ADALAT who is showing the same profession with dignity. The cases there are solved with some logic and that too in one hour time frame. Whereas here the CVS have full liberty on time where the case of Kunal and Siddhi can be shown with some good basic logic and strong dialogues.

THANAL confrontation always have been a successful since Daddy T has never disappointed his loyal audience. CVS can use this trump card too!

Originally posted by: annie_mckinnen

Oh Shumi, I disagree with you😆 Nothing is as stupid as the pregnancy track 😡😆

yes annie, nothing can beat the preggy track 🤣

But jokes apart, great great post Ramya. 😊 thank you

Thanks for keeping up with the rants to the CVs👏 It is always always important to present the best case to them, though it would be highly optimistic to expect that all of these will be taken into consideration Many will be swept by the wayside in favor of drama, so we can only hope that some logical arguments and evidence will be presented by Kunal in saving his wife, rather than a miracle or a grand intervention of fate happening. But thanks for your suggestions to the CVs and hopefully they will choose some of these while writing the future track.

Originally posted by: Murali28

i referd aam janta coz in daily soaps...several isues/events/wat ever are different...if u know law means that u cant say every body knows abt it...even i also aam janta...is not a CBI... or ADALAT kind program that gives u detail report...even in rape case we seen so many mistakes...in court...Im not talking abt brian dead or any thing ...jst saying we dnt want to use much ...jst we hav to focus on content//...

tu tho seriously le liya yaar...