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Posted: 8 years ago
#31
Speaking of the Vasudev - Akrur scene, Vasudev looks much better in a beard than clean shaven.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: MagadhSundari


They're definitely the most talented actors of the bunch, but the content of their scenes is getting repetitive. Wish they had Lakshmi maa ask harder questions instead of "what's happening Prabhu?!" It's like wait and watch 2 minutes, you'll find out 😆 That's how it was for the scene where Balram first met baby Krishna - she goes "what's he doing?" and Vishnu Bhagwan is like, "he's touching my feet" - and I'm like... you're supposed to be a goddess?!!


Agreed, the dialogue writers should improve a bit. I understand, I too am getting tired of this repetitive dialogue.

Cute will get them only so far!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#33
In the beginning there was this really adorable scene where Baby Krishna rolls his eyes and puckers his lips.
Made it into a gif, added some text, so enjoy.



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Posted: 8 years ago
#34
@Shyam, it's awesome. Post it on the creations gallery as well!! The baby is so cute!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: guenhwyvar

But she did already. That scene where Kamsa was going to kill Vasudev, Devaki blurts out emotionally that she will hand him her 8th son if he spares the life of Vasudev.

And then she tried to commit suicide by trying to set the floor on fire.

And then she is yelling at soldiers through closed doors (from what we've seen in the serial so far, there aren't any guards outside the prison doors. The corridors are mostly empty except in specific locations) for them to call Kamsa to have him kill her as well.

&Devaki is incredibly mentally unstable at this point for obvious reasons - her past justifies it, and given that point I don't see a reason why &Vasudev should tell her the secret. My prediction is that hee's going to tell her one day in an attempt to save her life when she does something completely wacky, and then when it's near the time for Krishna to come to Mathura, Kamsa will just start to beat Vasudev mercilessly and Devaki will break down and admit the truth of where her 8th son in. She will, once again, willingly hand over her child for her husband. That, or it will be a dramatic play on how she promised Kamsa something, so she must fulfill it (though I think the former is more likely).

I think Ramanand Sagar's Krishna did something similar to the end part.


I get that it conforms to their characterizations in the show, but I feel the need to articulate why it's not the right way to depict them (which I think we're on the same page about).

Devaki's past experiences might justify this kind of unhinged, batshit crazy behavior in any ordinary person - but the people whom God chose as His parents were not ordinary.. These two are defined by 1) their selflessness in putting the welfare of the world ahead of their own happiness, 2) their love for Krishna that worked like love should, as a battery giving them the power to keep going as opposed to attachment which would cause the kind of recklessness and self-destruction we see in the PSK versions (guess in keeping with my analogy, it's battery acid?), and 3) their faith in God and the benevolence of His will. These qualities make them an inspiration, while the versions in the show are more of an irritation (as evidenced by your suggestions to fast-forward their scenes 😆). Janu and I often lament the fact that contemporary mytho shows try to make the characters "realistic" and "relatable" at the cost of everything that we should be learning from them and applying to our lives.

There are already enough misconceptions out there about Yashoda Maiya's love being greater, and by withholding the truth about Krishna and showing Devaki without that all-enduring maternal love for him that was such a defining characteristic of hers, the writers are only exacerbating those misconceptions. I don't care if they get K3G level cheesy and have her *sense* His being alive and well, even that is better than this vulnerability and psychosis borne of not having Him on her mind. At this rate I fear the revelation will come so late that we will get more scenes of her human suffering than her superhuman love for Krishna. Re: the scene from RS Shri Krishna you referenced, the fact that the show focused so heavily on her overwhelming love for Krishna is what made the scene palatable. It is painfully obvious that she is living for Krishna, and she doesn't confess until Vasu is literally about to be hung, so no one watching that scene would have the perception that she does so out of indifference towards her son and a preference for her husband over her child. By making &Devaki's reactions to &Vasu being tortured bigger than her reactions (at least in the moment) to her children being killed, the show is feeding that misconception.

As far as Vasu not telling her, as Janu said, it reflects mistrust/a superiority complex, as if Krishna is only his son and not hers. The original series has him shushing her to protect Krishna, but not being so cruel and presumptuous that he lets her live in the constant torment and doubt that all her suffering was for nothing. That's where the faith that is another defining characteristic of theirs comes in - after the confession, he hangs onto his belief that God is kind and that it's time for the fulfillment of the prophecy and comforts her with the same; he doesn't have some PSK-esque outburst like "this is why I never should have told you in the first place! #women". These hyperactive versions of the characters who yell at God all Amitabh-style to be born instead of praying to Him and trusting Him are vehicles for angst, not the role models they're supposed to be. That idealism and exemplary behavior is what should separate representations of scripture from ordinary fiction.

/rant over 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: -Namita-

I have to admit. The Lakshmi/Vishnu scene was super cute. Not sure I should say cute but whatever!! I'll go with Neha and Vishal being cute!!! 😆


I think a romantic scene between a God and a Godess has to be cute only for viewers.!😆
Edited by NandiniRaizadaa - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#37
My only issue with the show so far is the over the top emotional outburts amd comedy kansa
But i am not getting fed up of it yet as i got of meenakshi sagar's krishna and dwarkadheedh sri krishna 😆

Someone mentioned Ramanand sagar krishna. It was good going by the technology in that era. But all charectets positive or negetive laughed very loudly in it . Loudly and evily
Edited by NandiniRaizadaa - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: MagadhSundari


I get that it conforms to their characterizations in the show, but I feel the need to articulate why it's not the right way to depict them (which I think we're on the same page about).

Devaki's past experiences might justify this kind of unhinged, batshit crazy behavior in any ordinary person - but the people whom God chose as His parents were not ordinary.. These two are defined by 1) their selflessness in putting the welfare of the world ahead of their own happiness, 2) their love for Krishna that worked like love should, as a battery giving them the power to keep going as opposed to attachment which would cause the kind of recklessness and self-destruction we see in the PSK versions (guess in keeping with my analogy, it's battery acid?), and 3) their faith in God and the benevolence of His will. These qualities make them an inspiration, while the versions in the show are more of an irritation (as evidenced by your suggestions to fast-forward their scenes 😆). Janu and I often lament the fact that contemporary mytho shows try to make the characters "realistic" and "relatable" at the cost of everything that we should be learning from them and applying to our lives.

There are already enough misconceptions out there about Yashoda Maiya's love being greater, and by withholding the truth about Krishna and showing Devaki without that all-enduring maternal love for him that was such a defining characteristic of hers, the writers are only exacerbating those misconceptions. I don't care if they get K3G level cheesy and have her *sense* His being alive and well, even that is better than this vulnerability and psychosis borne of not having Him on her mind. At this rate I fear the revelation will come so late that we will get more scenes of her human suffering than her superhuman love for Krishna. Re: the scene from RS Shri Krishna you referenced, the fact that the show focused so heavily on her overwhelming love for Krishna is what made the scene palatable. It is painfully obvious that she is living for Krishna, and she doesn't confess until Vasu is literally about to be hung, so no one watching that scene would have the perception that she does so out of indifference towards her son and a preference for her husband over her child. By making &Devaki's reactions to &Vasu being tortured bigger than her reactions (at least in the moment) to her children being killed, the show is feeding that misconception.

As far as Vasu not telling her, as Janu said, it reflects mistrust/a superiority complex, as if Krishna is only his son and not hers. The original series has him shushing her to protect Krishna, but not being so cruel and presumptuous that he lets her live in the constant torment and doubt that all her suffering was for nothing. That's where the faith that is another defining characteristic of theirs comes in - after the confession, he hangs onto his belief that God is kind and that it's time for the fulfillment of the prophecy and comforts her with the same; he doesn't have some PSK-esque outburst like "this is why I never should have told you in the first place! #women". These hyperactive versions of the characters who yell at God all Amitabh-style to be born instead of praying to Him and trusting Him are vehicles for angst, not the role models they're supposed to be. That idealism and exemplary behavior is what should separate representations of scripture from ordinary fiction.

/rant over 😆

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Well written. We are definitely on the same page. Now that I look back, I seem to have misinterpreted it.

I think that the show missed a huge opportunity in not having Narayan pacify Mata Devaki. In the Srimad Bhagavatam, it's described how Devaki was fearful of Kamsa and his atrocities, but seeing the small Vishnu form, she offered both prayers and saw Him from a motherly perspective. She asked Him to rescue him from the fearful condition she was in caused by Kamsa, but at the same time, she was worried that He would be in danger by Kamsa, the cause being His form.

It shows both the devotional side of Devaki as well as her motherly side. Actually, her motherly side is given greater importance, especially with the last part where she implores him to turn to normal baby. She wants to protect him from Kamsa, even though moments earlier she asked him for protection from Kamsa. 😆😆 Oh Mata Devaki.


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Posted: 8 years ago
#39
Lolaz- Shows do the whole human-relatable things to Gods and Goddesses only 😉😆😆 Where are their parents? :P
But honestly. What is it with showing that Lakshmi doesn't know anything? There are certain things that she asks Vishnu in the scriptures, as that way, her question helps the world, but the way they are making her ask is a little annoying. And the LakshmiNarayana scenes are kind of repetitive, so no points there either.
What have they done to Maa Devaki, in who most see a faithful, selfless person, who knows her son will come to rescue her one day? I know Pitaji Vasudeva didn't tell her in this, but still :P 😆😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
#40
Happy Friday everyone!
The show starts off with Devaki stroking the peacock feather that she still has on her. She weeps and apologizes profusely to her 8th child, and she lets the peacock feather go.

Meanwhile in Gokul, everyone has joined their palms together, closed their eyes, and are meditating on the words "Radhe Krishna". The peacock feather is carried by the wind into little Krishna's hands.

Puranmasi opens her eyes, sees the peacock feather, questions if this is a sign, but then wonders how a peacock feather appeared when there aren't any peacocks nearby.

<Seriously, that's how they're going to introduce this. It would have been better if Akrur showed up, handed over the peacock feather, and said, "this is a little gift from your friends in prison - Vasudev and Devaki.">

So then as Vasudev is trying to console Devaki, Kamsa comes in and drops the bomb that he's going to free them, drive them to Mahismati, and play with her -- naa, rock her kids in his arms. He force feeds her Gokul's makhan because Gokul's makhan is her favorite.

Meanwhile, back in Gokul, Puranmasi narrates the story of how peacocks gave shelter to the devtas in Treta Yuga when Ravana defeated them all and was going to kill them. Devtas were given shelter in the peacock feathers, and so they blessed the peacocks that the devtas will always reside in the peacock feathers. Hence ... why peacock feathers have those eyes.

So Yashoda declares that from now on she will always put a peacock feather on little Krishna's head, and it will become his identity. So she gets a tiny peacock feather and puts it around Krishna's head.

<Err ... how did she get a tiny peacock feather to begin with? Sure she might have a collection in the back of the house, but sorta defeats the whole "there aren't any peacocks here" theory that makes it super auspicious>

Vishnu says that the peacock feather is a sign of Devaki's love, tyag, karuna, vatsalya and today Krishna has embraced her motherly love and gave it a superior place.

Oh and Putana is shooting lasers out of her eyes to kill babies.

This Bhagvan Kamsa thing is a joke now. Aarti, "Om Kamsaya Namaha".

Devaki escapes from prison. Seriously, stop laughing. She manages to run from the prison to Kamsa's pooja mandhal (which is you recall, the palace can be seen from Devaki / Vasudev's prison balcony). She grabs a soldiers spear, yells Kamsa, and hurls it at him. Kamsa is pissed. He hurls it back and we're supposed to believe that it hits Devaki.

That leads me to believe that this is either a dream sequence or someone else got impaled by the spear (probably the soldier who let her escape?).

Today's episode rating is a lovely 4/10. Recommendations: Gokul scene, and maybe the short encouragement scene of Vasudev.

Edited by guenhwyvar - 8 years ago

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