Most controversial episode for this forum: How did you feel about toda - Page 3

Originally posted by: barbieflora

Where should I be if I'm at "too terrified to even watch the episode" ? 🤔🤔🤔

you should be ✨writing the next chapter✨ because you can 🤣

I can’t watch anymore, ya’ll stay safe though, it’s mentally draining. The whole thing is a mockery. I’m not watching until Saturday hopefully by tomorrow both of them have left the house, and in the remaining of the week they realise their mistakes. If this drags people will start to lose interest.

Originally posted by: sunsaathiyaa

you should be ✨writing the next chapter✨ because you can 🤣

So should you hon! Waiting to see Raavi burn some more🤣

But I should give you a heads up. In my next, there will be a distinct lack of Shivi. So do not kill me please🤣🤣

Originally posted by: barbieflora

So should you hon! Waiting to see Raavi burn some more🤣

But I should give you a heads up. In my next, there will be a distinct lack of Shivi. So do not kill me please🤣🤣

I won't ever do that bub 🥺❤️

Warning- I dont know what iam gonna tell...and if it wud make sense😆..this is gonna be loonggg(advance mein sorry)

First of all..this is one hell of a family....i dont see love even with all the YKB... I confess i havent watched the recent few episodes...so this is not based on that..

I get it that you become insecure with all the insults and ridicule...and i DO feel for Shiva...but does that justify his actions to Raavi?? for me NO!!....that too after all the manhandling he did to her from childhood....him throwing veggies on her, asking her to die and pushing her forward infront of a truck, constant push and pull....yeh Raavi bachhpan se seh rahi hain...and she had been a very happy kid/girl (no one saw the difference in her) and she took it...Raavi had always supported him infront of her maasi but he has never ever atleast spoken gently wid her...it was always Dev who had been gentle...and she fell for him...Can we blame her??? No!!...We have all been through that phase of infatuation...only distance can get us out of that..Raavi had no suchh luck...she was always in Dev's presence and he somehow encouraged her too... Shiva had known this all along...and we know he was concerned for her...but SHE DOESNT know..bcoz he never showed that concern...

Raavi grew up and also her infactuation...but on the altar she was rejected (and that was suchh an attack for "somnath ki sabse sundar ladki")and MAHHN she tried to take her life (she was so emotionally invested there wid Dev)...did anyone try to console her?? NO!!... Did anyone try to lift her emotions?? NO!!.. Did anyone atleast speak to her, like serioulsy speak?? NO!!...and how can they expect her to fall for some other guy all of a sudden, that too someone who has been manhandling her for sooooo long...and seriously speaking there was no guy other than Dev for Raavi until her marriage to Shiva...and Shiva knew that tooo...but after marriage Shiva comes in, pours water on himself and says "ab duniya do nafrat karne walon ka shaadi dekhega"... Now can we blame Raavi for not expecting a soft Shiva?? A loving Shiva?...Raavi needed space, time...but she was not given...

Then ALL OF A SUDDEN Shiva falls in love with her..like reallyyyy fast...and that was also like 2-3 days of Softie Shiva.. Raavi ko bhi samajh nehin aara rahi thi ki WTH hapnd ( like he was gone b4 she cud even register the change)...but then enters Sneha and her words broke Shiva and his insecurities were kicked off...he literally became blind...i know Raavi shud have tried to understand him and his insecurities and try to address it...but how is she gonna understand, bcoz just few days b4 he gave her a longgg lecture of how he just dont care a button abt what others say and neither shud she, blah blah blah...even then Raavi tried to talk to him,apologized to him,burnt her diary...she tried to gift him something to make him feel spl,helped him in store and room construction just to spend time wid him...but he just pushed her away by telling bakwas...he didnt try to talk wid her and he pushed her away when she tried...and pushing her infront of everyone at the function was too much but still Raavi was trying to be ok..but character pe sawal was the last straw...friends kaise bhi ho you can try to talk wid her but woh theek se baath kiya bina he is just assumingg thingss...but slapping him was not ok..but it cudhv been an impulsive action, still not ok...but still the guy is soo blind that, stuck tape recorder ki tarah "she needs gentleman, and iam jaahil" bolte hein...Shiva didnt EVEN TRY...and has the gall to say "she feels ashamed to call him her husband"...has he ever behaved respectfully wid her..like a husband shud be wid a wife....Real life mein to put up wid a guy like Shiva is difficult

AND IF RAAVI HAD COME INTO THIS MARRIAGE WITHOUT HER OWN MENTAL TRAUMA THEN MY REACTION WUD HV BEEN DIFFERENT...EVEN SHIVA DIDNT TRY TO ADDRESS HER TRAUMA or did he??( i dont remember)

And to top it all other dramas, kaands and stunts of Pandya parivar had taken a toll on both of them.

Loved it.....BUT only for Suman for understanding that these two need to stay away from each other to contemplate on what next.

Originally posted by: SlytherInMe.

Alright bounty, I have settled on yellow 😆 Posting this here as well to explain why yellow 😳

Disclaimer: This post may ended being excessively long owing to the fact that I have never myself nor seen the forum so conflicted about an episode. Please bare with me as I try to piece together my own thoughts

Right off the bat, I am quite annoyed with the disillusionments that the entire Pandya Parivar has about Shiva and Raavi's relationship. Forget the past few weeks, just going based off of the yatra - it doesn't seem to me that they were traveling on the same yatra that we were watching. Did they not witness and comment on how Shiva and Raavi were continuously arguing with each other during the yatra? How is it even plausible to think that they will go from fighting like cats and dogs to romancing on a bike? Especially disappointed with Krish and Gaumbi - since they seem to notice whenever Shiva and Raavi are gravitating towards each other, but conveniently turn a blind eye when they are mercilessly taunting each other?

I'll admit, my heart went out to Raavi when she hugged Dhara and started sobbing. The past few days we have started noticing more about Shiva and how is mental health must be affected by her words and the way she acts with him - however, that does not diminish the mental trauma that she has been going through as well and it's clearly written on her face. They have both been through so much at the expense of each other and it's heartbreaking to see her finally breakdown - and to have to turn to the one person who may have been her confidante in the past, but now is someone who just wants to sweep things under the rug or beat the concept of 'respect' into people. These are the times I wish there was someone else - someone not from the Pandya Parivar who could have gathered Raavi in their arms and given her the consolation she needs.

A nitt picky side note - but why is Rishita always tasked with the responsibility of bringing water whenever there is some family showdown/breakdown going on? What is the need to bring this up all the time? I know it's barely relevant but it just irked me

I didn't really understand Gaumbi's pajama reference but I got the gist. Why is his first reaction to yell at Shiva when moments ago they were worried about Shiva's whereabouts? It just doesn't sit well with me that right of the bat, Gaumbi's instinct was to yell at Shiva rather than asking him what's wrong. He is supposedly the most level headed out of all of them but somehow he seems to see the worst in his brothers as opposed to others, especially Shiva.

I personally didn't find what Shiva said was wrong. His language this time was completely different and in my opinion he was just stating that Raavi likes a certain type of boys and I don't meet her preference. I might have misinterpreted it but to me it didn't seem to be questioning her character. Obviously it's world's difference than what he said yesterday - but Gaumbi didn't know what he said, then why was his reaction so extreme? And again, what is it with everyone's immediate reaction resorting to violence? Side note: it was bit comical to watch as well, a bit poor acting in my opinion from Kinshuk's side. On top of that, his broken record of "maan toh karaha hai tujhe..." was annoying af.

Again, Raavi cannot put her point across without demeaning Shiva in the process. Why? "Rakshas", "Vaisa ka vaisa hi hai" - and then you claim that you don't think about him in that way and your views have completely changed since the marriage. I understand that he acted out and that must make you question your thoughts about him, but how did you do a complete 180 in the span of a day? How is anyone supposed to believe that you like him for him if whenever the going gets tough, all you can do is spew venom towards him? I mean clearly you don't regret what you used to say about him and somewhere in the back of your mind still believe it to be true. One thing she got right was that he doesn't respect her at all but I hope she realizes that she doesn't either.

I don't think I fully understood how digusting Shiva's words were due to some translation issues until today and this is the time that I felt Gaumbi and everyone else's anger was justified. No amount of anger or pain excuses what he said and I simply cannot stand behind it, no matter how much my heart goes out to him or sympathizes with him. It was despicable. But then again, why?!?! WHY do Gaumbi and Suman resort to physical violence? Has the daanda kaand not taught anyone anything? Why can this anger not be expressed with words? Why this show of physically hurting someone because you can't adequately express what you're feeling with your words?

For the sake of my sanity, I am ignoring any reactions from Dev and Rishita - so don't be surprised if you don't find any further mention of them.

Kanta Kaki, thank you for telling them both sides otherwise the blame game would have only fallen on Shiva - however, that's the extent of my support for you. You only seemed to sympathize with Shiva's bezatti and not Raavi's - and I don't agree with that at all. Lines such as "ek pati ke liye kitni bezatti ki baat hogi tu kya jaanthi hai" don't sit well with me at all. Of course, this may just be an assumption of mine but from your words it seemed to me that you were okay with what Shiva did but not Raavi. Again, I could be totally wrong.

Not going to dwell on Anita and Maami's scene - it was just another receptive scene with them having the same roundabout script. Nothing to talk about here except the foreshadowing of Raavi leaving the house

What I liked is that Raavi didn't beat around the bush, owned up to the fact that she slapped him, and owed it to an impulsive reaction to his words. Had she said these words last episode as well, I would have liked it much better. But at least, I'm glad that she left it at yes, I slapped him and didn't dive into her whole spiel about how his junglee mannerisms have rubbed off on her.

Suman throws a fit yet again - am I glad that her anger has shifted a bit from Shiva to Raavi? Yes, absolutely. But she's completely lost it with her throwing around stuff. She's always threatening everyone with her daanda - how are Dhara and the brothers not going to be affected by such an upbringing? When she resorts to threatening physically violence to shut them up all the time, how are they not supposed to learn that this is the way to solve problems?

I don't really have a specific reaction to Dhara to be very honest. Neither was I disappointed, nor affected nor interested to be honest in what she had to say - whether she was taking Raavi or Shiva's side. Her character has become so wish washy post-marriage that anything that comes out of her mouth has no weightage for me. I simply don't care for her over the top reactions. She still cannot seem to differentiate between right and wrong, when and when not to support Shiva - it's annoying and not worth it.

Again, Suman stopping Dhara had no effect when she does the same thing. It's hypocritical to me. I can feel her pain whenever Shiva is insulted and hit but that's due to Kruttika's amazing acting. Otherwise, all she knows how to do is preach. That being said, I am glad she finally said what we all wanted to hear - separate, mf please separate. All the other times she has threatened that if Raavi leaves then she'll never be able to come back but this time she's giving the green light herself - thank fcuk. Side note: what was the weird music they put in when she declared that? it was a happy tune, was it the makers trolling us because they knew we wanted a separation?

I liked the little tidbit of insight that Suman gave on her own marriage - a true comparison between what she had and what ShiVi are sorely lacking in their marriage - the major component being respect and she recognizes that neither of them currently harbor any respect for the other.

Here goes Raavi again, putting them blame all on Shiva girl, just because you were determined on compromising and adjusting to this forced marriage, doesn't mean you had any respect for the marriage and the relationship you shared with Shiva. It's a two way street.

I was okay with Shiva's anger and was expecting it too, fine whatever - we get it, you get angry all the time woohoo. But I didn't like that he said "bahoth badi nak wali hai na" in response to her saying that she can't live with someone that questions her character. To me that shows he isn't regretful about what he said.

What really made me mad and I might just be overthinking it, but I rewatched this part three times to be sure and I swear to god Shiva smirked when Suman told Raavi to pack her things up and leave. He had a hint of relief in there and man it sent me soaring in rage. Nope, I don't like it - I don't like it at all. I really hope I am just seeing things or it was editing or it just wasn't there and I have gone crazy.

Keeping my other thoughts about her aside, I highly appreciate Suman from this scene onwards. She told Raavi to leave - YES. She told Shiva to leave - YES. She's the only one that seems to understand that both of them have wronged each other and both of them deserve to deal with the consequences. This is a step away from the typical mother in law who is obsessed with her son and can't see right or wrong - THIS is what we like to see!! YES!!

My most favorite scene hands down --> Suman telling Shiva that Raavi slapping him was wrong but he was equally wrong for questioning her character.

And now I finally see that guilt on Shiva's face, I see the regret and my heart sighs in relief - not because I want him to wallow in misery but because I know that he is capable of learning from the error of his ways and making up for it. He has that maturity and understanding. Raavi, on the other hand, I have no such expectations from her. All I see is anger and more anger - I really don't think they're heading towards a track where she realizes her own mistakes as well. But who knows maybe we'll be surprised?

The way his gaze lingers on Raavi for more than just a second, the guilt and sadness in his eyes AHHH. I don't want him falling into the pit of self-hatred again, he doesn't deserve it after all that he's been through. Please don't do him dirty anymore, please.

Overall - I am taking back my extreme dark red and replacing it with yellow. As I mentioned before, I was pretty disheartened with the back and forth insults and threats of physical violence which is why it cannot be green for me but watching it the second time around with a clear mind, I liked the episode significantly better. Content wise it's headed on the right track thanks to Suman picking up on the real problem and dare I say - I'm hopeful?

If you made it to the end of this post, I salute you

Wow, Well said and I respect your views. Thanks for typing all this out to explain what irked you!

Originally posted by: barbieflora

Where should I be if I'm at "too terrified to even watch the episode" ? 🤔🤔🤔

Sorry, I didn't think of it.

On a second thought, technically, if you haven't watched the episode, then you're probably disqualified from voting on how you found the episode. Because the updates aren't word for word of the dialogues and the discussions you read are interpretation of how each of us took the episode.

Do watch it if you haven't had a chance.

Originally posted by: Popzzzz

Warning- I dont know what iam gonna tell...and if it wud make sense😆..this is gonna be loonggg(advance mein sorry)

First of all..this is one hell of a family....i dont see love even with all the YKB... I confess i havent watched the recent few episodes...so this is not based on that..

I get it that you become insecure with all the insults and ridicule...and i DO feel for Shiva...but does that justify his actions to Raavi?? for me NO!!....that too after all the manhandling he did to her from childhood....him throwing veggies on her, asking her to die and pushing her forward infront of a truck, constant push and pull....yeh Raavi bachhpan se seh rahi hain...and she had been a very happy kid/girl (no one saw the difference in her) and she took it...Raavi had always supported him infront of her maasi but he has never ever atleast spoken gently wid her...it was always Dev who had been gentle...and she fell for him...Can we blame her??? No!!...We have all been through that phase of infatuation...only distance can get us out of that..Raavi had no suchh luck...she was always in Dev's presence and he somehow encouraged her too... Shiva had known this all along...and we know he was concerned for her...but SHE DOESNT know..bcoz he never showed that concern...

Raavi grew up and also her infactuation...but on the altar she was rejected (and that was suchh an attack for "somnath ki sabse sundar ladki")and MAHHN she tried to take her life (she was so emotionally invested there wid Dev)...did anyone try to console her?? NO!!... Did anyone try to lift her emotions?? NO!!.. Did anyone atleast speak to her, like serioulsy speak?? NO!!...and how can they expect her to fall for some other guy all of a sudden, that too someone who has been manhandling her for sooooo long...and seriously speaking there was no guy other than Dev for Raavi until her marriage to Shiva...and Shiva knew that tooo...but after marriage Shiva comes in, pours water on himself and says "ab duniya do nafrat karne walon ka shaadi dekhega"... Now can we blame Raavi for not expecting a soft Shiva?? A loving Shiva?...Raavi needed space, time...but she was not given...

Then ALL OF A SUDDEN Shiva falls in love with her..like reallyyyy fast...and that was also like 2-3 days of Softie Shiva.. Raavi ko bhi samajh nehin aara rahi thi ki WTH hapnd ( like he was gone b4 she cud even register the change)...but then enters Sneha and her words broke Shiva and his insecurities were kicked off...he literally became blind...i know Raavi shud have tried to understand him and his insecurities and try to address it...but how is she gonna understand, bcoz just few days b4 he gave her a longgg lecture of how he just dont care a button abt what others say and neither shud she, blah blah blah...even then Raavi tried to talk to him,apologized to him,burnt her diary...she tried to gift him something to make him feel spl,helped him in store and room construction just to spend time wid him...but he just pushed her away by telling bakwas...he didnt try to talk wid her and he pushed her away when she tried...and pushing her infront of everyone at the function was too much but still Raavi was trying to be ok..but character pe sawal was the last straw...friends kaise bhi ho you can try to talk wid her but woh theek se baath kiya bina he is just assumingg thingss...but slapping him was not ok..but it cudhv been an impulsive action, still not ok...but still the guy is soo blind that, stuck tape recorder ki tarah "she needs gentleman, and iam jaahil" bolte hein...Shiva didnt EVEN TRY...and has the gall to say "she feels ashamed to call him her husband"...has he ever behaved respectfully wid her..like a husband shud be wid a wife....Real life mein to put up wid a guy like Shiva is difficult

AND IF RAAVI HAD COME INTO THIS MARRIAGE WITHOUT HER OWN MENTAL TRAUMA THEN MY REACTION WUD HV BEEN DIFFERENT...EVEN SHIVA DIDNT TRY TO ADDRESS HER TRAUMA or did he??( i dont remember)

And to top it all other dramas, kaands and stunts of Pandya parivar had taken a toll on both of them.

Another great viewpoint. Thanks for bringing up some of the points that we have forgotten/overlooked in our discussions last night.

So reading what I have so far, I still think it was a good episode. Mistakes were made on both sides, insults were done in both sides, and punishment were given to both. Is the punishment 100% fair? No, and depending on the side your pendulum is swinging, you may feel one got it worse than the other. But at the end of the day, it was as fair as it could be without the other getting a free pass. In reality, if a couple at win such situations, individuals aren't punished 100% fairly either.