Kabir Characterization - Page 2

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Yo Kabir in the bus with Nisha was straight up harrassment from my side. I was totally on Nisha's side. Kabir was ridiculously rude and OTT in the initial days. But later he started getting better. Although, now that I think on it, I'm not quite sure if he actually got better or I just got used to him? ...That thought is definitely a very unpleasant one.

And yeah you have a point. I think I too mentioned how I found his actions in SV to be ridiculous. But like to me, it also signalled a personality trait of his: impulsiveness and not thinking of the consequences. I felt the same trait show up when he agreed to remarry Nisha. His impulsiveness drove a lot of decisions for him I felt.

Hospital track was just 🤢 I hate even discussing that because it was so stupid and unreasonable. That's why I didn't feel bad when Kabir was in jail or whatever. I felt like he was in there for his own fault. Had he simply double crossed Sumit, he would've never been in there. Even the jail reunion was 🤢 It did not make an impact. Do you remember those scenes where Kabir was being beaten up in jail and then he smiles thinking how Nisha would've woken up? Like I found those gross and problematic. He was just sitting in jail waiting to be rescued. He was truly a tv bahu.

And regarding determination. See, I never felt like it was determination? I always felt like him wanting to find his brother was an impulsive decision he had made on a whim. He arrived in India with no idea of accommodation and was initially broke. He was literally like, "hey I have three months to kill before LSD, why not try to find my bro? That'll be cool." I never saw determination there. And tbh, LSD confuses me. I HATED how he gave up LSD to be with Nisha. Again, to me, it wasn't some big display of how much he loved Nisha. To me, it was his impulsiveness and stupidity showing through again. He didn't think about consequences or impulsiveness. He was just like "Wait, LSD or Nisha? Hm..I like Nisha better right now so I'll choose her." Literally. In my canon, the two actually do have fights about this. No one would be happy sacrificing their dreams for their significant other. It always ends up turning into resentment in the future. Again, I think Kabir was extremely impulsive (picking up fights with the randomest of people) and lack of idea of about consequences. He thought more about short term than long term (even tho LSD seemed long term).

Yeah. VJ-Kabir. Let's just agree to disagree there. I also think it was rude of him to do so. But at the same time, I think both of them had times where they were assholes to each other so whatever.

LOL not gonna comment on RajBir.

Originally posted by: Shwets1502

Kabir outdid himself everytime...First I thought he was bad in the hospital...Na...he got worse at the police station...Na...He got worst when he made the deal and "left" Nisha...and then creepily stalked her...😆

Yes he was impulsive...be it with his decisions or getting into stupid fights with Viraj and Sumit, making things only worse. Again...it's a realistic trait to be impulsive...so Kabir was Ok there...but I don't like impulsiveness...Personal opinion...😆

Kabir should have double crossed and used crooked theories to get past all the crisis...but he became a bechari bahu tolerating and all...

There is actually not much to comment not about Kabir...😆 There wasn't any growth at all..It was a complete decline.

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Hahahahahhaa yeah, he definitely did outdo himself in becomming the worst possible version of himself 😆

See, the impulsiveness made sense. It's definitely realistic. But I also felt like it became too much eventually. Near the end, he was impulsiveness personified LOL. And then, making the entire thing much worser, was how his impulsiveness was intentionally folded into him being "goody good." It felt like we viewers were supposed to be like, "look how good he has" rather than "look at this impulsive idiot." Which of course, as we all know, ended up being the latter 😆

And exactly man, the original Kabir was ALL about double crossing and using crooked theories. Like did the Chandu track mean nothing? Even when he entered GF, he still was a kamina. But then out of nowhere, the kamina paan left and became replaced by his "goodness" 🤢

Exactly, there was a complete decline with his character. And I said that in my post too. That's why I don't understand how people can misunderstand this post as being good to Kabir LOL. It literally highlights how he was destroyed and became the worst possible version of him 😆

Idk, I feel like I can discuss on him now. Which is odd because I had the hardest time writing his piece because I couldn't think of what to say about him 😆

On an unrelated note, we should deff try to post our theories about this show one day. Like Viren-VJ 😆

Originally posted by: Shwets1502

Exactly the main reason I was so bored and frustrated with Kabir. He became the sacrificial bahu who had no brain to think of a way out. He had the cousins' support yet he wanted to do everything on his own...and then did nothing but got himself caught. That was so BLAH!

Just like Viraj had PC...Kabir had it with VJ...and Kabir easily got influenced by his mother- nothing wrong in that as it's his mother...but he started assuming everything about Nisha that she loves Viraj and stuff like that...Is that all he understood Nisha? Did he really think after the marriage tamasha...Nisha would go back to Viraj...and even without asking Nisha, he gave away her to Viraj? What right did he have...especially when he considered the marriage to be a contract and him not being her "husband".

The whole going to kill Viraj with the knife/gun was WOW! Who is this guy? Is he that impulsive? In that case...shouldn't he have killed Sumit too? For trying to kill Nisha?

Kabir after a point made no sense at all...Going as the electrician and lot more incidents were completely out of place. Kabir became an ideal bahu character...No strength during any crisis.

You won't believe...I was thinking of ViVa too...🤣

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Thanks for commenting Mansi and for making this a longer comment that the Viraj post! 😆 Forreal tho, thanks for commenting, I really do appreciate the support 😊

And exactly, you and I share the same thoughts! He was a kamina, but he was so much more than that! He was a well rounded character with his own plus points and minus points and he was grey shaded!

And I enjoyed him during the whole bowing out of maidan for Nisha-Viraj to get married during KN wedding, but I actually thought it was weird the way he agreed to marry Nisha but the whole CM and GDA was just 🤢

And LOL! You totally said it all! Kabir really did morph into Gopi vahu! 🤣

Yeah, he deff had an interesting character graph. But, at the same time, he was destroyed for me so L-O-L.

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Cousins thing is a good point. It actually kinda reminded me of Nisha as I read it. Nisha was the same. She always had people willing to help her (even her parents man!) and even then she insisted on doing everything herself. Guess the miyaan-biwi are made from the same mould 😆 LOL JK JK. But yeah, I actually thought cousins help was stupid too, during FJ I mean. Like none of them came up with something substantial to clear Kabir name. It was ridiculous. And plus Sumit was already to stuipd. Beating him would've been so easy.

And hm...I don't really count Kabir VJ manipulation same as Viraj PC because VJ attempted to manipulate Kabir many times and he only really 100% fell for Nisha-first love-Viraj story. He never believed Nisha sent divorce papers. Knew right away Nisha tucked him in, etc. He did believe in her.

But yes, you have a point. Kabir's actions were deplorable. I hated when he made that deal. Gross man. Totally negated his character.

And I think you had brought this up in an earlier post but I forgot to mention it, the KN marriage CM was weird. I also didn't understand Kabir acting like a husband. He said he would behave as a husband for 3 months. I thought that was actually also kinda rude and made Nisha's hopes higher -- like Viraj did with paper dance. Never understood it.

I skipped electrician stuff. I skipped a lot of stuff when it came to bahu Kabir. 😆

ViVi zindabaad! 😆

Originally posted by: maniwood

yeh mere liye bahut long hai feel urself lucky 🤣

Originally posted by: Shwets1502

What I meant was...When Nisha was in hospital and Kabir got some clue...Dolly wanted to help but he wanted to go alone? Kyun bhai? If the cousins had been there...things would have been so better. Yes...Cousins didn't come with anything good...but taking their support wouldn't have been bad either.

What I meant was...Kabir too refused to hear out Nisha after the cafe thing. After knowing the deal, Nisha being furious and asking him to leave was s justifiable..I really wished she had really sent the divorce papers for that.

The CM thing...hiding it from RL esp...crying for hurting Ramesh because of GDA made no sense from either sides...both Kabir and Nisha. What could have been the worst case if the truth came out?

Kabir's realisation of LOVE wasn't effective either...😕 I don't want to remember Kabir bahu...😆

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Oh okay yeah, I vaguely remember that scene. But in general, both KN liked to do things alone. Kabir was a bit better than Nisha in taking support, but I still thought he could be better. I suppose that's what happens when you get two ferociously independent people together 😆

And I know perhaps this is not the place to discuss it, but I really did not enjoy cousin scenes during FJ/ Nisha love track. I thought they came across as too convenient and forced. Forced, not in the sense of acting -- the acting of cousins bond was wonderful and always seemed realistic, but forced in the sense that cousins did not need to be inserted. Sometimes, it was too much. The bonding did not always need to be shown. Perhaps focus on other seperate cousins would've worked too. Like Dolly story line was quite interesting.

...I only vaguely remember that stuff. Like I said, I blocked out most of bahu Kabir and what happened after that 😆 So I'm sorry, I can't fully participate in that discussion as my memory of those instances is hazy. Regarding divorce papers, yeah nothing to say. I just, really unhappy with how KN got butchered near end too. Jacket scene was

Yeah CM really made no sense. I initially thought it was brought in to highlight how immature the two really were, especially in regards to marriage. And I was pretty confident it would be adressed but it went phuss. Ramy tirade was the only good thing. And I was also kinda confused on KN. Like Kabir wanted to tell it right away. So I think that was actually the right thing. He did get back some of his senses and realized that them finding out the wrong way would backfire. But alas, that mental awareness vanished too soon.

I still don't understood how Kabir fell in love with Nisha? I mean, I get that's there a lot to fall for Nisha. But why did he fall? Because she supported him? Am I missing something?

And is it just me or did bahu Kabir appear in juncture with Kabir falling/ being in love?

Originally posted by: Shwets1502

But wasn't that the story/plot about? Cousins? And how cousins are there for Nisha like Nisha is there for them? In spite of Nisha being married, cousins are still a part of her life and are with her during crisis. I do accept their presence made no difference, they were just simply standing here and there. But again...there it showed that Kabir is THE guy who can do everything and not the cousins. The male lead domination was back again. Dolly story was the only independent one but again making Sumit a HOO and bringing him to hate Kabir made no sense either.

Exactly. I was half expecting...Actually expecting Ramy to stop the wedding somehow. The marriage was a complete cheat and more so I hated Nisha lying and cheating Ramy. Yes..both were immature, but I expected at least one to realise how much the truth would hurt RL. I expected at least Kabir to force Nisha to tell the truth instead of Ramy getting to know from Viraj. Also...though Nisha was affected...the tirade didn't seem to have affected Kabir in any way did it? He was more worried for Nisha, than thinking about how much HIS idea of CM had hurt Ramy.

There is a huge, HUGE gap there too. Kabir realised his love for Nisha when Nisha was fighting for her life. I don't really understand that love either...may be its his friendship, deep bond he considered it love? He realised Nisha's absence was something he couldn't handle? I don't know...Though better than 2 min noodles, this love story was half baked...