Kabir Characterization - Page 3

Originally posted by: Shwets1502

But wasn't that the story/plot about? Cousins? And how cousins are there for Nisha like Nisha is there for them? In spite of Nisha being married, cousins are still a part of her life and are with her during crisis. I do accept their presence made no difference, they were just simply standing here and there. But again...there it showed that Kabir is THE guy who can do everything and not the cousins. The male lead domination was back again. Dolly story was the only independent one but again making Sumit a HOO and bringing him to hate Kabir made no sense either.

Exactly. I was half expecting...Actually expecting Ramy to stop the wedding somehow. The marriage was a complete cheat and more so I hated Nisha lying and cheating Ramy. Yes..both were immature, but I expected at least one to realise how much the truth would hurt RL. I expected at least Kabir to force Nisha to tell the truth instead of Ramy getting to know from Viraj. Also...though Nisha was affected...the tirade didn't seem to have affected Kabir in any way did it? He was more worried for Nisha, than thinking about how much HIS idea of CM had hurt Ramy.

There is a huge, HUGE gap there too. Kabir realised his love for Nisha when Nisha was fighting for her life. I don't really understand that love either...may be its his friendship, deep bond he considered it love? He realised Nisha's absence was something he couldn't handle? I don't know...Though better than 2 min noodles, this love story was half baked...

Another dhamekedar post isha.. 👏...Actually i am happy to see u ppl back into action..reminds me of MOTD days.. I was a silent admirer of those theories nd story analysis...
That said i will also admit that i never critically analyse a show while watching.. Bcz once found crappy i can never stick on to it..So i usually ignore d flaws nd watch it for entertainment until it becomes too illogical to continue...
Now about d post : im not sure how unbiased my opinion shall be, bcz Kabir was my 2nd fav charctr after Nisha..nd as u said in one reply, that charctr was more to be enjoyed dan to be thought about..
I too was hell irritated wit d chrctr in d beginng..as i personally hate ppl who cross others personal space..But interstngly as Nisha got used to him..so did I ... LOL

And i too think d two did share a hidden deep bond and d frndship was worth watchng.. Eventually Kabir's character became interestng nd refreshing... The remarriage track was d best for me, post LA.. I also liked KN rltn bcz it was nice to see a male lead who never dominates d female..gives respect nd maintains frndshp..

I agree wit u on hw d chrctr was destroyed in FJ track esp hosptl trck... Not just his chrctr, d entire storyline was messed up, with everyone except Nisha ( as she was unconcious LOL), behaving weirdly..
Also, Kabir's stalking session was more horrible than viraj..

On d whole.. I agree wit most of ur points excpt dat...I was never done wit d chrctr...I still like d chrctr...😉

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

I guess. I mean, I know the story is about cousins and the cousin scenes are nice. But instead of having useless cousin scenes, I would've had other scenes wherein it was shown how despite their different lives, they were all connected. Like I thought the Justice 4 Jwala scene really nicely highlighted that. But it seemed like that framework (cousins getting together to work/ protest) was overdone as the show went on. I wanted more scenes like the cousins disagreeing over KN marriage. More important scenes like that, rather that cousins plans. It just felt like a waste of the cousin actors talents.

And I kinda disagree how it showed Kabir as THE guy LOL. If anything, to me, his refusal and consequent failure just highlighted how he wasn't the guy, but rather the bahu who needed saving.

Umesh story was also attempted to be independent but it was just handled so badly. Yes, Dolly's story was the best. And yeah, Sumit's sudden turn didn't make sense either. His too was such a waste of a potential. But like the Dolly thing *kinda* showed how cousins would be there post-marriage?

Yeah. I feel you on the wedding. Rather than Ramy stopping, I too had hope that the wedding would somehow not take place. But at the same time, it was also kinda inevitable that a wedding would happen. They made Ramy spend those coins for some purpose.

Yeah, I too didn't like when Kabir didn't force Nisha to tell the truth. But at the same time, I also kinda understood his reasoning? Like technically, RL are Nisha's parent's and that's why only she had the right to break the news of CM first. Ramy tirade didn't have effect on Kabir? I don't really remember that. I only remember Ramy tirade and how good it was 😆 But in general, yeah even RaKa was a missed opportunity. I remember I was expecting so much and didn't get that much.

Ohhh now I remember. Yeah. That too was a really bad moment. See, kinda going off base here and talking about CVs instead about character so sorry, but I felt like near the end, CVs ended up choosing a lot of cliche angles in order to perhaps boost TRPs? Like the whole falling in love while person is fighting for their life is such a common trope. But it just felt so out of place here as the build up was like no where close to a love realization. Like there was build up, but more so for a realization that he really did like Nisha and that perhaps the marriage could happen for real (I think Nisha's build up for Kabir love was actually pretty good compared to other characters) rather than a full blown love realization.

Like you said, in all seriousness, KN love story was half baked. The ingredients were there and the baking was happening but somehow it just never got there and we were served a mushy uncooked cake... the pace was really off. CVs should've timed themselves better.

Hey popcorn😊

Originally posted by: Shwets1502

Cousins were good when Nisha wasn't in love. When she is in love, cousins never really mattered to her...That's how I felt. It isn't bad as such...I mean she is a human too...But yes cousins just play junior artists role then.

What I mean is...Kabir has to be the guy who has to do everything? Kyun? He had to be the electrician? he has to be the one in the building when Nisha falls...he has to be the one to tackle Sumit...I agree he is the male lead but thats the way he became so typical. He wanted to do everything single handedly...Not to forget the mess he created in the business by not taking any guidance.

Ramy's coins were the only reason I wanted the marriage to happen. Poor guy had spent everything on his daughter's wedding...But the thought that in spite of everything he had done, Nisha was cheating the marriage was unbearable for me.

Yeah...Ramy's tirade was the best thing that happened in the last two months...of course VJ too...😆 But Kabir never really thought of giving an explanation to Ramy or even talk to him, like Nisha did. Yes...RL were Nisha's parents...but when their thoughts about him mattered a lot to him...He should have tried to talk to Nisha to tell the truth.

Ending was messed up, no doubt. Kabir was worse than bechari bahu there. But somehow as a whole the character never clicked. For me...it wasn't really a unique character at the end.

Originally posted by: marymol

Another dhamekedar post isha.. 👏...Actually i am happy to see u ppl back into action..reminds me of MOTD days.. I was a silent admirer of those theories nd story analysis...
That said i will also admit that i never critically analyse a show while watching.. Bcz once found crappy i can never stick on to it..So i usually ignore d flaws nd watch it for entertainment until it becomes too illogical to continue...
Now about d post : im not sure how unbiased my opinion shall be, bcz Kabir was my 2nd fav charctr after Nisha..nd as u said in one reply, that charctr was more to be enjoyed dan to be thought about..
I too was hell irritated wit d chrctr in d beginng..as i personally hate ppl who cross others personal space..But interstngly as Nisha got used to him..so did I ... LOL

And i too think d two did share a hidden deep bond and d frndship was worth watchng.. Eventually Kabir's character became interestng nd refreshing... The remarriage track was d best for me, post LA.. I also liked KN rltn bcz it was nice to see a male lead who never dominates d female..gives respect nd maintains frndshp..

I agree wit u on hw d chrctr was destroyed in FJ track esp hosptl trck... Not just his chrctr, d entire storyline was messed up, with everyone except Nisha ( as she was unconcious LOL), behaving weirdly..
Also, Kabir's stalking session was more horrible than viraj..

On d whole.. I agree wit most of ur points excpt dat...I was never done wit d chrctr...I still like d chrctr...😉

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

You definitely have a point about Nisha being in love. I'm not contesting that. But what I meant to say was, I wanted more just cousins scenes. Like maybe even without Nisha. Or like the cousins discussing Nisha without her there. Just something else with them. The whole cousins get together to solve shit was so overdone. While I did enjoy watching it, I was fed up with it by the end. Like the whole duppatta scene was just so overdone omg.

And hm...okay I get what you mean to say about Kabir and I agree. See, I think that's another place the CVs messed up (I know I know, I'm sorry for bringing in CVs). They upgraded Kabir from supporting male lead to full on protagonist. He was good in small doses and when he had more of a supporting role. Even during his entry in GH before KN marriage reveal, I felt like he acted kinda like a supporting role rather than male lead. Like yes we had scenes of him trying to find his brother, but on the whole, those scenes weren't that big and were somehow related to at least one member of GF (I'm thinking of US photographer). Shortly around FJ (even before almost) more focus started coming on him and I feel like that's when he became too sickly sweet.

See the thing with earlier Kabir I felt, was that he annoyed you or you liked him. Especially when it came to his kamina behaviour, he was kinda a polarizing figure. I know I enjoyed it but that does't mean everyone did. So you disliking him makes sense. Different strokes for different people. His kamina paan and grey shade is what made him click for me.

Regarding FJ, that whole track was whack and unrealistic. Dada Ji's change in that was literally 🤪

You have a point with Nisha cheating him despite everything. But I'd have to disagree. I didn't see it so badly because eventually the marriage would be real. So it kinda evened out for me? But yeah not, you definitely do have a point. If we don't take their eventual future into consideration, KN's marriage was a terrible, terrible joke and cheat. That's why I was expecting CM reveal to be so huge. Ah well. Missed opportunities. LOL I feel like that should be like the catch phrase when talking about the CVs of the show because there were so many missed opportunities.

Yeah, I suppose Kabir could've pressed harder to make Nisha reveal. But like Ramy said during his tirade, I was more disappointed with Nisha as it directly concerned her parents. At the end of the day, Kabir was just technically an outsider when CM idea was formulated.

Originally posted by: Echo.of.Hope

Hey popcorn😊

First of all I can send Slytherin all over your post and so it was relatable for me.

I never liked the flirt, happy go lucky male lead as it was too common... One of the reasons I liked mayank nupur instead of samratgunjan pair in mjht. Yet I liked Kabir from the beginning. The credits to that goes to Nisha.

I was so annoyed seeing Nisha in doobi mode and later after PC in crying machine mode, that I liked kabir's entry. My first thought was "Nisha should forget about Viraj, stop crying and choose this guy. At least he can stop her crying mode.

In chandu track I liked kn interaction. That's what attracted me and kept me going. We didn't know that much about Kabir at that time for me to conclude if I liked him as a character... Just him. Yet I started looking him a little more coz he got the fighter out of Nisha and she stopped crying and brooding when around him.

When he became too sweet I sensed something will go wrong. My Slytherin instinct said it's a bad turn and the instinct was right. Too sweet lead to bahu mode🤢

Kabir and bahu mode lead Nisha to becoming a crying machine again. It was pathetic. Fj was the worst.

Again another Slytherin thing we both thought was that sumit will save Nisha's life but kb won't give the footage. I wanted that. I felt that it was a Kabir thing to do... Or rather Slytherin thing.

Abt the crappy childhood... I liked it a lot since he mentioned his dad and expected the revelation to have some effect on the raka bond.

With that I'd like to conclude by saying kb is good charger with lot of potential and they good have done much better with him.

Fabulous post Isha !!!!!👏👏👏

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

Maryyy! Thank you for taking the time to read this and to comment! Highly appreciate it mate!

You should've joined us during our theory making LOL! It would've been even more fun! Regarding critical analysis, yeah that too wasn't my forte earlier. I think it was actually Shwetha's effect. She made me watch more closely because discussing with her is really fun😆

But onto your comment LOL:

Don't worry about being unbiased. I'm just really glad you took the time to comment😊I too had a difficult time with this post.

And yeah, completely agree with KN bond. I think the depth of their bond was even unknown to them earlier. Like when Kabir entered Gangwal House before his marriage truth was revealed, KN didn't like each other that much, but at the same time, did support each other. It was definitely nice to watch. And as you said, the equality aspect of KN was just wonderful. I think even people who don't like Kabir have commented on that!

And remarriage track. Hm...I'm conflicted on that. I LOVE the suspense that happened around the wedding time because I'm a huge sucker for drama done right LOL. But in general, the CM and GDA definitely caused me to side-eye KN and reconsider the whole marriage track. But yeah, despite that, Kabir bowing out of maidan was a really good character moment. He was still not bound down by traditions or even Nisha. He was still the freebird who was willing to leave😆Real talk, yeah it was a good scene.

And you definitely have a good point about the whole story convoluting during FJ and hospital and other tracks. That's true. Everyone behaved weirdly, even GF when Nisha was in hospital.

And yeah, it's cool you don't agree with me on the destruction of Kabir character. Like I said earlier, this is my view and not everyone has to agree. Thank you so much for posting your own view! I really appreciate it! Love reading other's thoughts!😊

I too hav some impacts of Shwetha nd MOTD... I think dats y i was able to undrstnd ur POV...LOL..actually dats y i wrote KN instead of Nibir...😉 jk ..

When i said i loved remarriage track, i too was refering to d suspense element nd kabir's support to nisha nd family in d whole situatn... I never liked CM nd GDA..

PS.. It was nice talking to u..Make more posts.. 😊