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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: slippery_chilka

Ansh is not married. The CV's don't consider him married, the characters do not consider him married, the producers do not consider him married, the director do not consider him married the actors/actresses do not consider him married. Or else they would not have advertised about the romance starting now. To be married and to respect that marriage, there has to be free will. Ansh himself does not remember being married and his DV also does not consider him married. If it gets out that Ruby mind controlled him into thinking they are married, the society too won't consider them married. It's as simple as that. And I think it will happen soon, Ruby's truth will come out soon. For us it's days and weeks but in the show, it's barely been 2-3 days.


If there wasn't so much happening at Rathore house, he would have sat down and thought then come to a proper conclusion on what was happening. He would have asked for a divorce if Pia had been single but he is feeling guilty and doesnot think he has a chance with her so he is quiet but must be thinking stuff through. It takes time to think and come to a conclusion regarding something like this because he thinks Ruby is a normal girl and getting the "marriage" annulled may ruin her life. Life changing decisions like these are not taken in less than a week. He will speak up soon but right now he thinks that Ved and his family too want him to continue the marriage so he is wondering about what to do.

SBRK is a completely different story and situation. Like they say there's a zameen asmaan ka difference because Kunal-Mauli's marriage was not a sham. It was based on love and respect and trust. Kunal and Nandini are wrong because there was free will in Kunal's marriage with Mauli. That is not the case here. There's no comparison between Kunal-Mauli-Nandini and Ansh-Pia-Ruby.

For example: If a guy mind controls you and makes you say that you want to be raped. Will it be rape or consensual? It's a harsh example, granted but mind control is no less than mental rape.

I honestly don't understand why a mind controlled "marriage" is being taken as a valid marriage that needs to be respected and held to a high society standard. Ansh has been nothing but respectful and distant ever since he thinks he is married. He doesnot even look at her like a lovesick guy like he used to, he is actively suppressing his feelings. That close scene in Friday's episode was all DV and not Ansh. Ansh was just mad enough to grab Pia, then the DV took over and for the DV, Pia is his.

Did you even read my post ?? 😕
I made it quite abunduntly clear , in fact quite redundant by repeatedly mentioning that Ruby married Ansh under compulsion. Or may be I made it sound like I don't understand what exactly compulsion means ?? But then I did made it clear that I do understand what is exactly being compelled means.
It basically and simply means absence of consent or dissent . So there was really absolutely no need to go all the extra personal length in trying to hammer that point .

And had I been suffering under the thought that Ansh married with his full consent , don't you think the language of my post would've been , rightfully , vastly different , as in I'd have then called him a cheap low life ??

I took pain to write a whole lot of things that doesn't really come under the scope of this topic , because I suspected that once I make this post , people will again start with the old "Ansh got married under the compulsion of DC " and Ruby is a dayan." jaap .

Just to ensure this doesn't happen , I already covered all those points in my posts , hoping not to hear them repeated . How frustrating. 🥱

What is the point of writing a big post , when one only reads selected half way through it ?

Really , I couldn't care any less , whether the PH , director, writer or actors consider Ansh -Ruby as married or not. They showed a marriage , no matter what condition be during that. I didn't ask them to write one . What was the need for it ?? Please don't tell me it was necessary to bring Mohona , the chief antagonist , out of captivity . It makes absolutely no sense. Till date I fail to understand what is exactly the connection between Ansh- Ruby engagement and Mohona getting human form from stone state . It's absolutely ridiculous that Ruby-Ansh got married and the spells that kept Mohona in a cage fell apart . What is this , a kind of inexplicable ritual ??
You really think viewers give a damn about the intention of a scene ?? No , they don't. Nor are they supposed to. They're only supposed to see the end product presented on tv screen and make their own conclusions from it.

Many shows in ITV present all kinds of intolerable crap with writers and PH fully intending to show them . Are we supposed to consider what are they considering as wholesome entertainment and fall in line , or judge for ourselves and call a crap a crap ??

My point is , Mohona could have been freed by 100 other ways . Ruby-Ansh marriage was written by PH n writers. It's not a track brought about by me . By showing a sham of marriage , they're treating marriage itself as a sham. As a viewer , when some thing like this is shown , I absolutely demand some kind of conclusion or resolution , With out that , the whole situation looks horribly cheap and tasteless. Do I have to repeat now that by resolution I don't mean consummation, kids and wifely rights , since I've mentioned it in my Main post ??

Since you're keen on talking about consent , let's talk about it. Suppose a person is abducted by putting a gun on his head and forced to marry a girl ( a similar track is shown in the lead's marriage in the colors show Bhagyavidhata ) , what will you suggest in that case ?? Leave it as it is and the guy returning to his normal life ?? In the very least , the marriage should be annulled in the proper way , so that there's no future complications.

A marriage can not just be "denied" , it has to be either annulled or divorced .
Worse , Ansh is not even denying . 😆😕😲

Lastly , this post is NOT about the validity of the marriage. It's about what Ansh thinks and nothing else. ( And I clearly remember mentioning this in my main post as well , sigh !🥱 )
What is his thoughts on the status of this "marriage" and what is his plan in that context of that thought ?? Since the CVs showed this , they MUST show what the ML is thinking and what is his POA regarding the same . They can't escape that and jump face forward into the "romance" or whatever . It'll be in extremely poor taste.

Last but not least , Ansh doesn't remember or know, nor does he think he was compelled. So the whole consent-compulsion argument is futile here. Let's not forget Ansh doesn't have the same set of information available to us viewers. And we must judge his actions on the basis of information available to him, not to us !
It's like, suppose I murder a man that makes me a murderer alright , but my husband doesn't know about it. Can he be excused if he beats me up , since he isn't aware how evil I am ??

Some contemplation is needed from Ansh's side is all I'm saying . He's not so young for him to be so casual about his own life.

Edited by Carmilla - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: xaviara

I mentioned this last night also, Ansh and the demon inside him are two different entities. Ansh's human form knows he is married to Ruby, that is why he apologized to her. Previously when Vshree had accused Ruby of being a Dayaan, he stood up for Ruby in front of his mom and gave her the respect she deserves. The demon inside him is a whole different person and reacts differently, Whereas Ansh tries to be very polite and kind to Pia, the demon inside him reacts in the opposite manner, and Ansh really can't do anything about the DV inside him. He doesn't know what he is, he doesn't know how to handle the demon inside him. Even when he was caged and shackled by Naman before his and Pia's wedding, he got a clue from his FB's as to how he can trigger the DV inside him, he cannot will it to appear and disappear at his choice. Ansh knows Naman's true colors and he has always been protective about Pia, because he is a decent human being. Won't it bother any of us if we knew the truth about someone, that if the person can stoop to try and kill his own mom, he can hurt Pia easily because its obvious that he doesn't care about Pia, she is merely an obsession for him? That's why Ansh was angry yesterday, and he just told Naman to leave because he was clearly disgusted by whatever Naman said, no decent person would even try ti refute what Naman said. The push and pull thing romance you claim, that wasn't Ansh, its the DV and for now Ansh has no idea how to control or handle him.

About Ansh's marriage to Ruby, everyone knows my thoughts on it so I'm not going to get in to it. But if this show is about Dayaans and evil beings who can just mind control a guy and marry him without his consent and people are accepting them as married, then the Davansh can also react to the girl who is suppose to be his soulmate.


I like this one a lot. It explains a lot . Good one. 👍🏼

But that doesn't excuse away Ansh not mulling things over , considering the situation at hand , when he sure had time to go for a trendy hair cut.

But TBH , now that every thing is alright at least for the time being ( Ansh is not aware of Ru-MO being dayans , therefore he's not aware that there are dayans inside the house or resultant threat looming large ) , at least so far as Ansh knows , why isn't he having even a little contemplation on the situation at hand , and have a conversation about the same with Ruby . NO body is forcing him to keep this marriage , he's free to take whatever decision . He already knows his mother is against this marriage and Ruby , and his family won't have any objection if he decides to part ways with her.
One can't keep things hanging in matters like this.

Last but not the least , let's not talk about Ansh-Ruby marriage validity or invalidity since that's absolutely not the topic of this post , nor is there any intention of mine to have a discussion on the same , since I already know by heart all the arguments and points for and against it and it's tiresome to have a redundant discussion .
This post is only about Ansh and what is going on in his mind , keeping in mind the set of information available to him and not to us.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#13
Durga Puja eve here in Bengal and I'm extremely busy since it's our main festival in Bengal .
So please forgive the late replies. Please feel free to share your views as long as they're about Ansh and his thought processes . I'll try to reply to all by tomorrow night.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I absolutely agree TM on your point about questioning the relevance of ansh marrying a daayan and all the rituals involved being the means to free mohana from her captivity. Even till this date I keep trying to rationalise the connection between the two, and I still don't get it. I guess there is no point.

It's quite clear the writer's married ansh to ruby to elongate the story and to put off piansh union longer, and in the making they've introduced this mockery of a marriage. 🤢


I also can't quite comprehend why ansh has failed to question himself or his family any further over concerns of not being able to remember agreeing to marry ruby and the marriage. He is never seen questioning himself or trying to rationalise why he doesn't remember agreeing to marry ruby when he was completely against it all that time despite knowing his mother's desperation for this to happen, but he wouldn't heed. He should ideally be questioning how, when, why he agreed for the marriage when he only remembers strongly opposing the marriage, so he should ask himself what happened for him to agree, go through with the marriage in the first place, only for him to now forget? He should be discussing this with ved when he doesn't remember any of this.

in terms of Ansh's thought process, it is hard to understand this as a a viewer given the cv's never actually focus on ansh's thoughts and feelings when required, hence we have no idea what he is thinking in regards to his marital status with ruby clashing with his feelings and attraction to pia, how he agreed to marry ruby and not even remember etc.

The cv's are clearly in no mood to have ansh confront ruby about ending this marriage, as they want to stall piansh union to stretch the story, that's why they have stupidly shown him not reflecting on such important facts and events that he knows are strange. There is no rational explanation to these questions that involve ansh's feelings, as it is all stupid tricks and nothing else of the cv's to keep ansh handcuffed to ruby so he can't marry pia yet. So there is no point in expecting the characters to act sensibly as per situations, when the writers are being intentionally silly and sloppy with the writing just to keep certain unnecessary characters like ruby on the show or to stretch the show's story.

I do find it interesting how he couldn't reply to naman's accusations of leering over pia and trying to get close to her despite being married, as he knows he never agreed to the marriage with ruby and doesn't love her, and he knows that he has felt an attraction to pia since the moment he met her. He knows all too well that he wants pia, but he also knows somewhere that there are too many obstacles stopping him from being with pia, this marriage with ruby he can't even remember being the main reason, which is why he can't even explain away all the accusations naman made on him.

He knows he is in a tough situation where he is on one hand concerned for his family's safety given his mother's hysteria and weird incidents taking place, whilst on the other hand he has started acknowledging his desire for pia but knows he is married to ruby so can't act upon his desire for pia. A culmination of all these things that ansh does acknowledge have put him in a tough situation where he can't seem to think where to go forward from here and what is the solution to solve this mess.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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First of all I feel they need to give ANSH a POV of his own.We need to know what's going on in his mind,how he is planning to deal with his feelings for Pia,marriage to Ruby,etc.All we have seen till now is Mo vs Ved,Mo vs Rathores,etc.Everyone's perspectives were shown except Ansh's which is weird😕Even Nishant's POV was shown.
The CVs need to show him acting on his own.Kidnapping Pia for Ved was perhaps the first thing which he did on his own.The CVs need to make Ansh take a stand for himself and start questioning Mo and the family members.They need to make him do something.
Secondly as someone already mentioned,Ansh and the DV are two separate entities.Ansh knows his limits and boundaries but the DV doesn't.All the DV knows is that Pia belongs to him.Basically if Ansh is Jean Grey then the DV is the Dark Phoenix😆
Ansh doesn't want to stop Pia's marriage coz he desires her but coz he has seen Naman trying to murder GM who his own mom.He knows that Naman is upto no good.

Even I wish to know why it was so necessary for Ansh to marry a Daayan for Mo to get free but we will never know.I feel the marriage wouldn't have taken place had the show not got an extension and they would have got Mo out through some other means.But when the show got extented they understood they got a chance to drag the tracks so at that point they prolly did whatever they could think of to prolong Piansh union.

As far as comparisons with SBRK are concerned,both the shows are poles apart and even the genres are not similar.It's like comparing TVD to Suits.The rules of one show are not applicable in the other.
MauNal's marriage was an ethical,legal and valid marriage were both loved each other and were happy before a third person entered their lives.Can't say the same for Ruby and Ansh though.
Even Ansh as a character is different from Kunal.He knows how to differentiate between what's right and wrong.As I have mentioned his intentions to stop the marriage are different.However he has no control over what the DV does and Pia is poles apart from Nandini.

Ansh,at the moment,is in a highly confused state with all the events unfolding around him all at once.The CVs need to sort him out at first.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Carmilla

Did you even read my post ?? 😕
I made it quite abunduntly clear , in fact quite redundant by repeatedly mentioning that Ruby married Ansh under compulsion. Or may be I made it sound like I don't understand what exactly compulsion means ?? But then I did made it clear that I do understand what is exactly being compelled means.
It basically and simply means absence of consent or dissent . So there was really absolutely no need to go all the extra personal length in trying to hammer that point .

And had I been suffering under the thought that Ansh married with his full consent , don't you think the language of my post would've been , rightfully , vastly different , as in I'd have then called him a cheap low life ??

I took pain to write a whole lot of things that doesn't really come under the scope of this topic , because I suspected that once I make this post , people will again start with the old "Ansh got married under the compulsion of DC " and Ruby is a dayan." jaap .

Just to ensure this doesn't happen , I already covered all those points in my posts , hoping not to hear them repeated . How frustrating. 🥱

What is the point of writing a big post , when one only reads selected half way through it ?

Really , I couldn't care any less , whether the PH , director, writer or actors consider Ansh -Ruby as married or not. They showed a marriage , no matter what condition be during that. I didn't ask them to write one . What was the need for it ?? Please don't tell me it was necessary to bring Mohona , the chief antagonist , out of captivity . It makes absolutely no sense. Till date I fail to understand what is exactly the connection between Ansh- Ruby engagement and Mohona getting human form from stone state . It's absolutely ridiculous that Ruby-Ansh got married and the spells that kept Mohona in a cage fell apart . What is this , a kind of inexplicable ritual ??
You really think viewers give a damn about the intention of a scene ?? No , they don't. Nor are they supposed to. They're only supposed to see the end product presented on tv screen and make their own conclusions from it.

Many shows in ITV present all kinds of intolerable crap with writers and PH fully intending to show them . Are we supposed to consider what are they considering as wholesome entertainment and fall in line , or judge for ourselves and call a crap a crap ??

My point is , Mohona could have been freed by 100 other ways . Ruby-Ansh marriage was written by PH n writers. It's not a track brought about by me . By showing a sham of marriage , they're treating marriage itself as a sham. As a viewer , when some thing like this is shown , I absolutely demand some kind of conclusion or resolution , With out that , the whole situation looks horribly cheap and tasteless. Do I have to repeat now that by resolution I don't mean consummation, kids and wifely rights , since I've mentioned it in my Main post ??

Since you're keen on talking about consent , let's talk about it. Suppose a person is abducted by putting a gun on his head and forced to marry a girl ( a similar track is shown in the lead's marriage in the colors show Bhagyavidhata ) , what will you suggest in that case ?? Leave it as it is and the guy returning to his normal life ?? In the very least , the marriage should be annulled in the proper way , so that there's no future complications.

A marriage can not just be "denied" , it has to be either annulled or divorced .
Worse , Ansh is not even denying . 😆😕😲

Lastly , this post is NOT about the validity of the marriage. It's about what Ansh thinks and nothing else. ( And I clearly remember mentioning this in my main post as well , sigh !🥱 )
What is his thoughts on the status of this "marriage" and what is his plan in that context of that thought ?? Since the CVs showed this , they MUST show what the ML is thinking and what is his POA regarding the same . They can't escape that and jump face forward into the "romance" or whatever . It'll be in extremely poor taste.

Last but not least , Ansh doesn't remember or know, nor does he think he was compelled. So the whole consent-compulsion argument is futile here. Let's not forget Ansh doesn't have the same set of information available to us viewers. And we must judge his actions on the basis of information available to him, not to us !
It's like, suppose I murder a man that makes me a murderer alright , but my husband doesn't know about it. Can he be excused if he beats me up , since he isn't aware how evil I am ??

Some contemplation is needed from Ansh's side is all I'm saying . He's not so young for him to be so casual about his own life.


Not going to post in detail because I have guests at home but yes, I did read it but I didn't want to waste my time replying in a long essay because from my POV Ansh is not married and not wrong in anyway. Like I've explained there has been no romance with Pia after his "marriage". Also I've already explained why Ansh has not asked for divorce or tried to talk with Ruby about one. For us it's been close to a month but in the show it's barely been 3-4 days at the most and for half of it, Ansh was still under compulsion. After that he was running around trying to save Ved and now his focus is saving Pia from Naman.

BTW Ansh did question about his marriage but when everyone insisted that he married Ruby, he took their word for it. He has no reason to suspect his family. From his POV they have no reason to lie.

Marriage under compulsion can be denied and annulled ASAP. In this case, even an annulment is not needed because there was no paperwork. There was no Pandit to sign that paperwork and no paperwork was filed in the court. Hence this marriage doesnot exist.

I agree that this so called "marriage" with Ruby and Ansh was not needed to free Mohana but that's just the effect of the extension. They want to stretch the story and they were successful at it. Pretty sure they would have found another way for Mohana to be freed if there had been no extension.

Your example with the husband and the evil does not make sense but if a marriage like in Bhagyavidata or whatever was forced but has paperwork and was done with full rituals, it can be annulled. The difference between this forced marriage and Ansh-Ruby marriage is once again compulsion. Even though forced, a person can still fight if they choose to because they are not under mind control. Ansh did not get that luxury. He didn't get to choose.

The rest will have to wait or my mom will turn into She Hulk because I am not helping her out with the guests. 😆
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Posted: 6 years ago
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His manhandling pie is justified here which is irritating. When country is going through me too people here r justifying a. Man manhandling a woman. I loathe pie but she doesn't deserve such treatment. Anyways he should divorce ruby. It will be better for both of the girls. U can't manhandle a girl like this
It left me with bad taste
Edited by SakthLaunda - 6 years ago
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Sorry people dont underatand the concept of consent. No wonder indian tv glorifies where a man like shivay shouts anika as mistress n finds it hot. He touched Kia in wrong way without her consent
It is sexual harassment jeez
Edited by SakthLaunda - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Bringing other shows or other show characters in discussion to compare is strictly against IF rules..The post was fine if the comparison with SBRK or its lead characters were not brought in ..These rules r not new to IF and everyone is well aware of it ..So pls tk cr of it in future..
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