Totally unacceptable , CVs:Mod note pg3

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I know I'm probably the only one in the forum to feel that yesterday's push pull Piansh romance was in absolutely poor taste.
Why I think so ??
Let's consider Ruby at first . Because most people seem to believe Ruby deserves this to happen to her because of who she is and what she did etc. and also because of the condition in which Ansh - Ruby got married.
Well, within episode 3-4 , most of us knew that Ruby is Daayan . We saw her killing multiple people . We saw she's working on behalf on Mohona , fulfilling her orders very obediently , and finally getting married to Ansh when he was under DC compulsion . So yes , it was indeed a sham of a marriage , just like that of Mridul-Mohona , and Ansh Kajal are products of that sham marriage , basically bas***ds.
So, yes from the viewers point of view , unless and until you're the fan of daayans aka Team Daayan ( some one , say, like me! ) , one may be in fact justified to not even consider Ruby-Ansh marriage as a thing.
So they can be forgiven for that.
Same goes for Rathods including Vedashree . They know how Ansh got married to Ruby from Ved . They know of Ruby's realty and DC's effect on Ansh when the marriage happened.
But what about Ansh ?? What the hell is this dude even thinking ??
He now knows only this much ( correct me if I'm wrong ) - Ruby is a normal girl , who became kind of obsessed in love with him and did a very stupid and selfish thing by lying about being a daivik , so that she can marry him. Does he know any thing more for sure ?? NO ! Does he suspect any thing more ?? NO ! Yesterday he apologized to Ruby for his rude behavior with her , when he found out that she's not a daivik , though going by the situation he was totally justified in being angry in that situation. He let Ruby hug her since she has the right too , though he did not return it. This establishes two things - Ansh is a good person ( that is basically the purpose of showing that scene ) . 2ndly , he's completely bought the narration presented by Ruby . Had he even a whiff of doubt in any corner of his mind , that Ruby is a dayan who might be associated with all the events endangering his family and especially his mother's safety , apology to dur ki baat , ghar se hi nikal deti . Hug to dur ki baat , he'd have wrecked havoc upon her.
So ?? He believes her version of the story.
One very confusing question-
Why he isn't concerned about him not remembering the events of the marriage ?? Does he attribute it to him stepping into DC ?? As in , he thinks he isn't supposed to remember any thing that happened when he was under DC , once he's out of it ?? Like a memory erase between pre and post DC ?

But no matter , how much one yells Ruby-Ansh marriage is a sham , the only thing important in the context of the story is- what Ansh thinks .
Does he think this marriage doesn't count because he couldn't remember it happening plus Ruby lying about being a daivik ?? In that case why isn't he clarifying his stance to Ruby and/ or any one else who calls him a married man that " NO, I don't consider myself married to Ruby . Because of so and so... " Would make the following scenes less creepy.
So what am I supposed to think of it ?? He himself doesn't think this marriage is a sham . He obviously doesn't love Ruby but that is a totally separate topic.
So what is Ansh planning to do exactly ?? He's married to this girl and he's irrevocably attracted to another girl . What is preventing him to just request Ruby for a divorce ?? Why he wants to keep both in a loveless marriage , when his family's safety is also no more dependent on it ?? What is his excuse in furthering this marriage ?? Ruby's not daivik .
How hard it is to walk up to her and have a mature conversation with her regarding this soup of a situation ? If he couldn't do jsutice with Ruby ask for divorce damn it. Don;t be a Kunal.
Is this his sanskar stopping him from asking for a divorce ?? In that case , where is that same sanskar while getting up, close and personal to Pia with his wife standing nearby and probably watching ?? Probably a whole lot of people , guests watching ?? Does he plan to threat , show his glowing eyes to the entire world if they ask him what is he doing with another lady who's not his wife ?? He didn't even have a proper reply to Naman's question.
Let's not forget , Ruby is still very much his wife , so far as the world knows. They got married with a crowd of guests in mehendi, haldi and wedding day. Guests were asked to leave before the marriage but that doesn't mean they don't know who's the bride . It was known to all who he was getting married to. If we leave a wedding party before actual marriage ceremonies , does that mean we don't know who the hell is the bride ?? 😆
I don't give a damn whether Pia - Ansh are twin flames , soul mates . Doesn't change the situation in hand or make it in any way acceptable. In SBRK also , CVs took all the efforts and pains to establish it as a fact right from the beginning that the EMA pair are soul mates . Does that make their EMA acceptable in any way ?? Hell no !
It's not about Ruby . Honestly, isn't Ruby an extra ?? What does it matter what she deserves or not deserve ??
It's about Ansh and only Ansh . His morality . His character . He has every right to fall madly in love with whoever he wants and spend his life with her . But how he deals with his feelings makes all the difference between a hero and a villain like Naman ( Isn't Naman also in "love" with Pia ?? If you ask Naman , you'll find him thinking he's fighting for his love and he's justified too !! ) .
So Ansh basically going to get all mushy mushy with Pia , while leaving his wife as stand by ?? Woww ! Just because they're leads every thing is justified ?? Umm..no. In fact , they'll be scrutinized more minutely since they're the protagonists . The examples. The benchmark of good.

If he thinks his marriage is invalid ( like most people in the forum do , but Ansh behaves oppositely ) , show him CLEARLY VOICING THAT OUT or at least thinking that . Show him ask for an annulment .

If he thinks he's married and he is sure this marriage has no future and he couldn't be or rather doesn't want to be serious about it , SHOW HIM VOICE IT OUT CLEARLY AS WELL AND ASK FOR A DIVORCE , so that he's free to unite with Pia or do whatever he wants once he's a free agent.

If thinks he's married and he doesn't want / couldn't gather the guts to ask for a divorce , then SHOW HIM STAY LOYAL TO THE MARRIAGE AND MAINTAIN STRICT FRIENDLY DISTANCE WITH PIA .

There's absolutely no other situation around here that makes him look any less of a creep than Kunal .

Shadi ko mazak banake rakha hai.😡 Shadi hai ya nahi age clearly tay karo.. Shadi rakhna hai ya nahi ye bhi clear cut tay karo.. Divorce ya annulment dikaho.. Fir ana romance dikhane.🥱
Honestly , this Piansh romance will the Silsila-ish puke worthy till then. 🤢 No wonder Pia was so angry yesterday . I'd have felt the same if a married guy would've tried a number on me. 😆
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Bang on!
Soulmates concept does not justify ansh's actions towards pia yesterday. He needs to focus on his life, he is not behaving like a person who lost days worth memory of life.

Just a day before, he tired to justify & apologize his demon actions to pia in name of maa and next moment he is okay with ruby's deception who practically threw entire family under the bus for her own selfishness.


No way i am going to accept his romance with pia until he nullify his marriage.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I mentioned this last night also, Ansh and the demon inside him are two different entities. Ansh's human form knows he is married to Ruby, that is why he apologized to her. Previously when Vshree had accused Ruby of being a Dayaan, he stood up for Ruby in front of his mom and gave her the respect she deserves. The demon inside him is a whole different person and reacts differently, Whereas Ansh tries to be very polite and kind to Pia, the demon inside him reacts in the opposite manner, and Ansh really can't do anything about the DV inside him. He doesn't know what he is, he doesn't know how to handle the demon inside him. Even when he was caged and shackled by Naman before his and Pia's wedding, he got a clue from his FB's as to how he can trigger the DV inside him, he cannot will it to appear and disappear at his choice. Ansh knows Naman's true colors and he has always been protective about Pia, because he is a decent human being. Won't it bother any of us if we knew the truth about someone, that if the person can stoop to try and kill his own mom, he can hurt Pia easily because its obvious that he doesn't care about Pia, she is merely an obsession for him? That's why Ansh was angry yesterday, and he just told Naman to leave because he was clearly disgusted by whatever Naman said, no decent person would even try ti refute what Naman said. The push and pull thing romance you claim, that wasn't Ansh, its the DV and for now Ansh has no idea how to control or handle him.
About Ansh's marriage to Ruby, everyone knows my thoughts on it so I'm not going to get in to it. But if this show is about Dayaans and evil beings who can just mind control a guy and marry him without his consent and people are accepting them as married, then the Davansh can also react to the girl who is suppose to be his soulmate.
Edited by xaviara - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I totally agree with you
If you fall in love with another person while being married, it is your duty to make it clear to your partner and the society that you are separating from the said relationship because if not you are not only cheating your wife/husband but also your parents especially the Mother because this society will always point fingers at the Mother

And Ansh is a person who loves his Mother a lot so his character should never do this and I hope that the CV's clear this out before the romance aspect starts.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Ansh is not married. The CV's don't consider him married, the characters do not consider him married, the producers do not consider him married, the director do not consider him married the actors/actresses do not consider him married. Or else they would not have advertised about the romance starting now. To be married and to respect that marriage, there has to be free will. Ansh himself does not remember being married and his DV also does not consider him married. If it gets out that Ruby mind controlled him into thinking they are married, the society too won't consider them married. It's as simple as that. And I think it will happen soon, Ruby's truth will come out soon. For us it's days and weeks but in the show, it's barely been 2-3 days.

If there wasn't so much happening at Rathore house, he would have sat down and thought then come to a proper conclusion on what was happening. He would have asked for a divorce if Pia had been single but he is feeling guilty and doesnot think he has a chance with her so he is quiet but must be thinking stuff through. It takes time to think and come to a conclusion regarding something like this because he thinks Ruby is a normal girl and getting the "marriage" annulled may ruin her life. Life changing decisions like these are not taken in less than a week. He will speak up soon but right now he thinks that Ved and his family too want him to continue the marriage so he is wondering about what to do.

SBRK is a completely different story and situation. Like they say there's a zameen asmaan ka difference because Kunal-Mauli's marriage was not a sham. It was based on love and respect and trust. Kunal and Nandini are wrong because there was free will in Kunal's marriage with Mauli. That is not the case here. There's no comparison between Kunal-Mauli-Nandini and Ansh-Pia-Ruby.

For example: If a guy mind controls you and makes you say that you want to be raped. Will it be rape or consensual? It's a harsh example, granted but mind control is no less than mental rape.

I honestly don't understand why a mind controlled "marriage" is being taken as a valid marriage that needs to be respected and held to a high society standard. Ansh has been nothing but respectful and distant ever since he thinks he is married. He doesnot even look at her like a lovesick guy like he used to, he is actively suppressing his feelings. That close scene in Friday's episode was all DV and not Ansh. Ansh was just mad enough to grab Pia, then the DV took over and for the DV, Pia is his.
Edited by slippery_chilka - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I don't wanna say anything regarding the topic as Naveen n Tia has already explained.
Just that mentioning other shows or comparing shows are against IF rules as they tend to start fights.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I do want to point out that he started with pushing and pulling pia when her words made him angry and his daavansh side came out. It was his daavansh side that was making act like that, otherwise ansh is actually mild-mannered and respectful.

The other reason why I'm fine with ansh not treating ruby as his wife and still feeling pulled to pia is for the fact that agreeing to marry ruby, marrying her was everything he did under the influence of the daayan's nazar after stepping into daayan chakra, otherwise right before stepping into it he was strongly against marrying ruby, and after getting out of daayan's control due to bappa, he doesn't remember anything after the scene of him bringing pia home who was injured. He doesn't remember agreeing to marry ruby or marrying her, so for that reason I don't care given the marriage was in no way consensual and ruby is evil, plus ansh started showing attraction to pia before his marriage to ruby as well. All these factors make me not care about his so-called marital status.

Yes I agree that it annoys me that he isn't disturbed/ doing anything about the fact he is married to ruby yet doesn't remember agreeing to marry her or marrying her. He should talk to his family and ruby directly to divorce ruby saying he doesn't recall agreeing to marry ruby or the marriage, and say that he doubts something was done to him to influence him into marrying ruby.
Edited by sammy17 - 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: sammy17

I do want to point out that he started with pushing and pulling pia when her words made him angry and his daavansh side came out. It was his daavansh side that was making act like that, otherwise ansh is actually mild-mannered and respectful.

The other reason why I'm fine with ansh not treating ruby as his wife and still feeling pulled to pia is for the fact that agreeing to marry ruby, marrying her was everything he did under the influence of the daayan's nazar after stepping into daayan chakra, otherwise right before stepping into it he was strongly against marrying ruby, and after getting out of daayan's control due to bappa, he doesn't remember anything after the scene of him bringing pia home who was injured. He doesn't remember agreeing to marry ruby or marrying her, so for that reason I don't care given the marriage was in no way consensual and ruby is evil, plus ansh started showing attraction to pia before his marriage to ruby as well. All these factors make me not care about his so-called marital status.

Yes I agree that it annoys me that he isn't disturbed/ doing anything about the fact he is married to ruby yet doesn't remember agreeing to marry her or marrying her. He should talk to his family and ruby directly to divorce ruby saying he doesn't recall agreeing to marry ruby or the marriage, and say that he doubts something was done to him to influence him into marrying ruby.


Exactly, i don't understand why he keeping silence about his supposed dementia.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: sammy17

I do want to point out that he started with pushing and pulling pia when her words made him angry and his daavansh side came out. It was his daavansh side that was making act like that, otherwise ansh is actually mild-mannered and respectful.

The other reason why I'm fine with ansh not treating ruby as his wife and still feeling pulled to pia is for the fact that agreeing to marry ruby, marrying her was everything he did under the influence of the daayan's nazar after stepping into daayan chakra, otherwise right before stepping into it he was strongly against marrying ruby, and after getting out of daayan's control due to bappa, he doesn't remember anything after the scene of him bringing pia home who was injured. He doesn't remember agreeing to marry ruby or marrying her, so for that reason I don't care given the marriage was in no way consensual and ruby is evil, plus ansh started showing attraction to pia before his marriage to ruby as well. All these factors make me not care about his so-called marital status.

Yes I agree that it annoys me that he isn't disturbed/ doing anything about the fact he is married to ruby yet doesn't remember agreeing to marry her or marrying her. He should talk to his family and ruby directly to divorce ruby saying he doesn't recall agreeing to marry ruby or the marriage, and say that he doubts something was done to him to influence him into marrying ruby.


@bold: Even after he stepped into the Dayaan Chakra and Vshree saved him and they came back home, Vshree and the rathod family all were pleading for him to say yes to marrying Ruby, even then he kept saying no, even then he was hesitant and adamantly saying no, that's when Mohana from the box she was trapped in mind controlled him into saying yes. So not only just the wedding even his saying yes to the marriage itself is without his consent.
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Originally posted by: sammy17

I do want to point out that he started with pushing and pulling pia when her words made him angry and his daavansh side came out. It was his daavansh side that was making act like that, otherwise ansh is actually mild-mannered and respectful.

The other reason why I'm fine with ansh not treating ruby as his wife and still feeling pulled to pia is for the fact that agreeing to marry ruby, marrying her was everything he did under the influence of the daayan's nazar after stepping into daayan chakra, otherwise right before stepping into it he was strongly against marrying ruby, and after getting out of daayan's control due to bappa, he doesn't remember anything after the scene of him bringing pia home who was injured. He doesn't remember agreeing to marry ruby or marrying her, so for that reason I don't care given the marriage was in no way consensual and ruby is evil, plus ansh started showing attraction to pia before his marriage to ruby as well. All these factors make me not care about his so-called marital status.

Yes I agree that it annoys me that he isn't disturbed/ doing anything about the fact he is married to ruby yet doesn't remember agreeing to marry her or marrying her. He should talk to his family and ruby directly to divorce ruby saying he doesn't recall agreeing to marry ruby or the marriage, and say that he doubts something was done to him to influence him into marrying ruby.


@bold: As much as I would love to have the "marriage" annulled/divorced. It's not even been a week. Ansh is from a very sanskaari family. Even though Ruby fooled him, he thinks she is a normal human being and is positive his family won't ask him to divorce her just because of one lie. He is stuck and needs time to figure things out. He himself told Pia that he doesn't know what is in their fate now; that the fate of him marrying Pia has changed due to Ruby. He knows he was supposed to marry Pia but now is married to Ruby. Since he is a good guy, he doesn't want to ruin Ruby's life. Also the guy hasn't had a moment of peace after his so called "marriage" to sit down and think..to even wonder about a divorce.

It's natural to get annoyed, frustrated at characters but we have to remember that the characters do not have the info we do. For all Ansh knew, he probably thought that marrying a Daivik makes you forget the whole ceremony due to her divinity. We know that's not true but Ansh didn't. When he came to know Ruby is not a Daivik, he was too busy running around, trying to save Ved to just think.

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