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Posted: 6 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: slippery_chilka


You don't think making them wear deep plunging necklines disrespects their body? The costume dept is deliberately making them display their body. In no way do their necklines define a character or their character progression. It's quite unnecessary IMO. An actors job is to mold themselves to their character, to act and understand it. Not to agree to wear anything (especially revealing clothes) just because its their job and the prod team asks them to. This is how females get sexually assaulted in this industry(I work in this industry, believe me when I say I know what I am talking about). If the prod team wants more viewers, they will go to costume dept and say, give these and these characters deep neckline, these ones tighter and sexier clothes.


All I'm trying to say is, if it was Niyati's wedding and she chose to wear this dress, would you criticise it? No? Bcz it was her choice and she wore the dress of her own free will.

This is Pia's wedding. Why can't she be thought to wear this dress willingly? (wo alag baat hai ki shaadi hi willingly nahi kar rahi to dress kya willingly pehnegi... jo bhi use diya jayega utha ke pehen legi) Bcz you're not seeing her as a character anymore, you're just seeing Niyati's body involved in it.

I feel a body is disrespected when it is forced to wear something against the person's wishes. The intentions of the creative heads may be right or wrong, but what matters is the actor's consent to it. As long as she is willing, I see no disrespect being done to her body.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: slippery_chilka


The actors chose this career as their job, it doesnot mean they have to reveal their body or that the prod company can make them wear anything they want to. They don't have to be prepared to comply to anything. If the director tells an actress to run naked in a scene suddenly should she do that? These plunging necklines are not helping the story one bit. Why make them wear it? How is Pia's, Mo's, Ruby's and even the female siblings of Ansh's neckline helping the story? What is their purpose?

Experienced actors and actresses have a say on their clothes but the actors in this show are fairly new. It means they have no choice but to do what the prod team tell them to do and wear.

Honestly, the only necklines that I've felt were deep in the show so far were Mo's... and her being a daayan who tends to gets shamelessly flirtatious at times, I see those costumes as being quite in character. h

@bold: You are assuming the worst case scenario of "compliance", don't you think? Do you not believe that there should be an inherent tuning and understanding b/w the actor and her creative heads about what they think of her character and what they intend to do with it? Ofc an actor should be prepared to comply... she is bringing someone else's vision to life, she has to see eye to eye with the heads. I definitely would not support a scenario like the one you mentioned if it had nothing to do with the character or plot - and I'm sure Niyati wouldn't, either. This is a simple case of a costume - if she's wearing it, she's said yes to it. In fact, if the IV was anything to go by, she even seemed pretty happy with it. So again, I see no body-disrespecting here.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: Bee222


All I'm trying to say is, if it was Niyati's wedding and she chose to wear this dress, would you criticise it? No? Bcz it was her choice and she wore the dress of her own free will.

This is Pia's wedding. Why can't she be thought to wear this dress willingly? (wo alag baat hai ki shaadi hi willingly nahi kar rahi to dress kya willingly pehnegi... jo bhi use diya jayega utha ke pehen legi) Bcz you're not seeing her as a character anymore, you're just seeing Niyati's body involved in it.

I feel a body is disrespected when it is forced to wear something against the person's wishes. The intentions of the creative heads may be right or wrong, but what matters is the actor's consent to it. As long as she is willing, I see no disrespect being done to her body.


I'm sorry but you are all over the place and I don't get the point you are trying to make because you yourself are contradicting your own point. Also please don't make assumptions. I am not confusing Pia and Niyati. Even as Pia, her neckline doesnot make sense and doesn't suit her character. As Niyati too she doesn't seem comfortable, I have explained below, why.

If this was Niyati's wedding, would I criticise? No, because it would be her choice. As the bride, she chose her own dress. OF HER OWN FREE WILL.

Pia's wedding is against her wishes. Is the dress, her choice? No. Is she comfortable? She doesn't look it, so no. Does she look happy with it? No. Did she willingly dress herself in it? No.

That's what I am saying. As newbies, the actors have no say in what they wear. These clothes are not as per their wishes. Even if they are highly uncomfortable, they have to wear it or be labelled as tantrum thrower and difficult to work with. Do you know how I know she is not comfortable with the neckline? Look at her pictures on IG, do you see even a hint of cleavage? No. She has adjusted the blouse. She has taken the pallu and draped it over her cleavage. What does that tell you? Do you see the disrespect now or still not?

Just to be clear, I am not making assumptions. This is based on fact(my experience in this industry) and simple observation of the actors and characters.

(Also just FYI, I am just trying to make a point. I am not mad at you or anything. )
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Posted: 6 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: Bee222

Honestly, the only necklines that I've felt were deep in the show so far were Mo's... and her being a daayan who tends to gets shamelessly flirtatious at times, I see those costumes as being quite in character. h

@bold: You are assuming the worst case scenario of "compliance", don't you think? Do you not believe that there should be an inherent tuning and understanding b/w the actor and her creative heads about what they think of her character and what they intend to do with it? Ofc an actor should be prepared to comply... she is bringing someone else's vision to life, she has to see eye to eye with the heads. I definitely would not support a scenario like the one you mentioned if it had nothing to do with the character or plot - and I'm sure Niyati wouldn't, either. This is a simple case of a costume - if she's wearing it, she's said yes to it. In fact, if the IV was anything to go by, she even seemed pretty happy with it. So again, I see no body-disrespecting here.


I am not singling out Pia or Mo. I feel like all the females are given deep necklines with their cleavage showing. I am all for strong body image but only if its of free will which actors and actresses don't get sadly.

LOL. There is not inherent tuning and understanding between an actor and the creative heads. The vision changes every week or so depending on story changes due to TRP. Newbie actors have no say in their clothes. They wear what they are given. No questions asked. Even if they are uncomfortable. I've seen it happen and an actress cry but she had to buck up and do it or get fired.

About the IV, the actors are instructed by the CV's on what to say and what not to. You really think newbies would dare to express that they are unhappy with their clothes in an IV? That would get them a scolding by the CV's, EP, Producers and channel. And when I say scolding, I meant insults that will make you shrivel up and want to die. This is quote from a CV scolding an actress that I've witnessed. "Do you think just because you have a small fanbase due to this show, you are a a big enough name to throw a tantrum? One phonecall and you will be banned from this industry. Now do as you are told or say goodbye to this role and career." (I have changed the words, the real words (including curse words to her and her family members) were not civil and would get me banned on IF.) BTW this is not exclusive to just actresses. Actors have got similar "scoldings".

If you still want to believe in your rose tinted version, I won't argue.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#65
I agree Bee that actors cant normally choose their clothes. But may be some where down the line I feel they should be able to at least suggest some options
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I fully agree here with Tia. She is not looking comfortable with that dress.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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And yes I have also read about how the new ones are treated
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Posted: 6 years ago
#68
@slippery_chilka , not just Niyati , even Sonya is NOT comfortable with the dresses she's been given as Ruby at times , in many of her IG pics , post wedding looks , you can see her hiding her exposed midriff and almost NEVER any back view since the cholis are not doing good job of covering her back.
Let's not play Devil's advocate and admit it clearly and honestly that PH is using the beautiful bodies of the all the 4 younger actresses , even including Monalisa to make it 5 , to seduce the viewers or some thing , but honestly speaking , it makes me very uncomfortable while watching it with my mother . Once in a while all the Telly actresses are seen as wearing dare to bare less-clothes-more-skin clothes in all the shows , but it's good as long it's once in a while and not when it becomes daily affair. In that case , it's a red signal that some thing is wrong.

I've the same complaint against the PH in their another show at SP , where all the 3 leads especially the main one is made to wear very bold dresses very often .
I remember once Surbhi was so uncomfortable in a certain off shoulder gothic type dress that it was painfully visible , though of course she'd to take it in her stride and even had to praise the dress and the designer who's also the friend of Gul Khan.
So of course even if Niyati or Sonya or Pallavi feels uncomfortable or squirmy in a dress they'll have to just bite back their words and go on .
Only Ritu ji and Chaitali , they're properly dressed , thank God.
It makes me feel bad because the actresses could've been easily spared from this discomfiture.

Edited by Carmilla - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: Carmilla

@slippery_chilka , not just Niyati , even Sonya is NOT comfortable with the dresses she's been given as Ruby at times , in many of her IG pics , post wedding looks , you can see her hiding her exposed midriff and almost NEVER any back view since the cholis are not doing good job of covering her back.

Let's not play Devil's advocate and admit it clearly and honestly that PH is using the beautiful bodies of the all the 4 younger actresses , even including Monalisa to make it 5 , to seduce the viewers or some thing , but honestly speaking , it makes me very uncomfortable while watching it with my mother . Once in a while all the Telly actresses are seen as wearing dare to bare less-clothes-more-skin clothes in all the shows , but it's good as long it's once in a while and not when it becomes daily affair. In that case , it's a red signal that some thing is wrong.

I've the same complaint against the PH in their another show at SP , where all the 3 leads especially the main one is made to wear very bold dresses very often .
I remember once Surbhi was so uncomfortable in a certain off shoulder gothic type dress that it was painfully visible , though of course she'd to take it in her stride and even had to praise the dress and the designer who's also the friend of Gul Khan.
So of course even if Niyati or Sonya or Pallavi feels uncomfortable or squirmy in a dress they'll have to just bite back their words and go on .
Only Ritu ji and Chaitali , they're properly dressed , thank God.
It makes me feel bad because the actresses could've been easily spared from this discomfiture.


Yes, that's why I included all the female actresses in the show, not just Niyati. Monalisa is just 36 so she comes in the young age group too. The only reason the Ved and Chaitali are not given sexy sarees is because they are the mom's of the show and not evil. Apparently, evil has to be promiscuous and sexy. 🥱 But good +ve mom's can't wear sexy sarees and blouses. I just can't with Indian TV shows sometimes. 🤢

I honestly don't understand why anyone would want to refute the fact that is so obvious to see. Actresses and even actors are made to look sexy for the viewers, that is a FACT. Instead of denial and making excuses, wouldn't it be better if the viewers call them out and ask them to improve on the story and tracks instead of letting them use tactics like cleavage and shirtless scenes to attract audience? Speaking out is how change happens, not by saying its OK, this happens, it's their job. Like..what? If you see a man beating up his wife on the street, wouldn't you speak up, even though it is their personal matter? So if you are seeing actresses and actors being disrespected, shouldn't you speak up too?

Costume designers can also be fired if the actors/actresses complain about their dresses in an ITV, that's also one of the reasons why dresses are always praised even if they are ridiculous and uncomfortable. Besides even the actors/actresses know that these costumes are made on the Prod team and CV's behest, why would they risk the designer getting fired? Not to mention the actor/actress then comes under the CV's and Prod team's hit list for daring to speak up against them. There's just too much risk for them to speak up so shouldn't we do that instead?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@slippery_chilka, I don't have much to add but I completely agree with everything you said. Honestly, Indian tv viewers have different sensibilities and different TV watching environment .Indian mass viewers watch TV with family and some times even children with impressionable mind are also present during TV watching. I remember even as a little kid I used to watch kasauti zindegi ki and Keu ki saas bhi kabhi bahu thi with my mom. Not all children go to sleep by 11 pm. Not any more.
Showing scantily attired female actresses is not something I'd be comfortable watching in presence of my parents. Plus , unless and until the overall content get modernised, what is the point of overload of exposed neck, cleavage , back and midriffs. It horribly looks like putting the girls on display.
The less one says about typecasting in ITV , the better. Why can't Pia wear jeans and full shirt ? It also covers a girl very ddecently. Why can't Ruby wear kurti salwar in her pre marital look ? So typical. So a daivik is not allowed to smart classy western and the antagonists are not allowed to wear classy traditional wear. If given saree, it'll be either transparent or with bikini blouse. So typical.

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