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Posted: 13 years ago
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see...Sara...hi btw, 😊...dont get me wrong. I am a huge SS fan. He blows me away. I have a lot of respect for the way he has managed his career, his professionalism and what he has achieved in a short period of time on his own effort. It is precisely for this reason that I find all this a little difficult to take. But for whatever reason, publicity or real, SS needed fans to show their support and I have no problems doing that. After all the happiness he has given me, itna toh bilkul banta hai...so no issues with that. SS rocks...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: 4shilpad

see...Sara...hi btw, 😊...dont get me wrong. I am a huge SS fan. He blows me away. I have a lot of respect for the way he has managed his career, his professionalism and what he has achieved in a short period of time on his own effort. It is precisely for this reason that I find all this a little difficult to take. But for whatever reason, publicity or real, SS needed fans to show their support and I have no problems doing that. After all the happiness he has given me, itna toh bilkul banta hai...so no issues with that. SS rocks...

hi shilpa btwn without the correct proof we cant blame him right thats what i want to say coz after his new yr wishes video i can say that it was not a publicity stunt thr he seemed pissed off it thats his words reflected that and related to the issue with his cvs i know its normal no one will forgive him but even they know without him the show will deffo end so might be they agreed thats what i thought bcoz he doesnt look like such kind of a human
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sara

hi shilpa btwn without the correct proof we cant blame him right thats what i want to say coz after his new yr wishes video i can say that it was not a publicity stunt thr he seemed pissed off it thats his words reflected that and related to the issue with his cvs i know its normal no one will forgive him but even they know without him the show will deffo end so might be they agreed thats what i thought bcoz he doesnt look like such kind of a human


You are right we should not blame him without proof. But I am actually not blaming him - I think the serial asked him to do it. I agree with you, in my opinion also he would never do anything like this on his own. But who knows...maybe it did happen like how you say...fact is usually stranger than fiction and we can only speculate...😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anushka2121

I agree with u, but instead of postpoining her marrige , what nayi soch is that bringing to the looneys? They will remain how they were and i dont think thats the whole point of the show! The whole point is to show navya bringing nayi soch into the family and them slowly agreeing to it! And let me also mention this, no one is bashing amar because he is telling her to do job! But they are upset because he told her to rethink her marrige! Who he is to do that? So what if he is her boss its her personal life! He shouldnt be the one to tell her! If she really has that desire to work then she should convince the family !!! I think navya should work after marrige also but she should get approval from loonies as well! She should form that strong relationship with them that they will allow her and trust her to work! I feel that is nayi soch, instead of just postpoining the wedding and being selfish!


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Hey Anushka! Look, when we want Navya to postpone the wedding, it automatically means she convinces the Bajpaayees to give up a few of their age old traditions and then continues to work. We know how Navya has never tried to do anything against their wishes, and so it is obvious that even when it comes to her continuing her work and postponing the wedding, she has to keep them in consideration. And even if she thinks of postponing the wedding, the Bajpaayees have to know about it cause well, they're Anant's family! She just can't take such a big decision on her own, cause marriage is an institution where both the families are involved as well! And as many people have pointed out, why does Navya have to leave her job, get married and THEN instill Nayi Soch into her in-laws' mind? That's in fact a more predictable option, rather than Navya wanting to postpone the wedding and wanting to continue to work. And how is she gonna be able to change the Bajpaayee's mind after she's married when she's only allowed to cook and clean? We all know the condition of the DILs of the Bajpaayee family! Working after marriage would be a BRILLIANT Nayi Soch, but for that Navya cannot leave her job NOW and THEN convince the Bajpaayees after her wedding. She has to convince them NOW. If they agree to let her work, and/or postpone the wedding, then its Nayi Soch. If she's made to get married like any other SP heroine, then its as if the Bajpaayees have won. As for Amar, you're forgetting that it was Navya who once went to him and whined about her problems with RRA to him. Yes, the fact that Amar is being meherbaan on her does seem a bit funny, but we have to remember that he's telling her all this for her good. In a way, he's also right cause like Tanu pointed out, he doesn't know the hardships and the trials AnYa had to endure to let the families agree to their relationship. He only was trying to be a well wisher and mentor, as he has been in the past. He only said this because of the fact that there was once a point where he advised Navya what to do in her personal life, just like Pooja said. Here he's only telling her to re-think her decision of getting married early. Amar saw how immature Anant acted in the party and after the party. Anyone would have told her to re-think her decision of marrying Anant if they didn't know Anant personally, and that's what the PO did that day. Amar hasn't questioned her choice, he only asked her to postpone her decision. I quote "Sir, Shaadi zindagi ka ek bahut important hissa hai. Lekin hai to hissa hi naa?" (The quote has been taken from the movie Isi Life Mein, where the hero says this to the heroine's father at a point in the story). And Amar is echoing his sentiments along the same point and sentence. She's a capable girl, so why should she forsake her education and a promising career to sit at home? Then even Anant should be asked to stay at home, cause Navya was always shown to be two steps ahead of him in their academics! Nayi Soch doesn't always mean that the girl has to bow down to the wishes of her elders and her husband/fiance, and then after years of struggle and hardship, they finally realise that their DIL was right all along. The convincing can also be done at this stage in their relationship, but because of AnYa's pathetic communication and inter-personal skills, I highly doubt it is possible for both of them to talk things out. We know Navya is not the type to think about working after marriage/postponing the wedding cause she's always thought about others before herself. She never wanted to work to utilize her talents, but she wanted to work to help her parents out financially. I just want her to think for ONCE about herself, and then try and convince the families about the same. Why is it that the SP heroine can NOT think about herself? And if there's a situation where she's able to do so, she's considered selfish? This show is trying to put out some MCPish values, and that's what I'm not too happy about.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sara

Agree to each and evry point of urs but everyone here are angry not because amar asked her to continue the job but coz he asked her to rethink abt marriage u urself said many times that cant a girl handle both the things i know she shoould not give up her carrer for a job but how can he ask her to give up her marriage for job that is also not correct and just by seeing the promo cant say the exact things now so will discuss abt it after the actual scenes but i will be happy if she first sets up her relationships around and mold them in a better way so that they themselves allow her to do job then that would be a real win for her coz she cant even act selfish here


Hi Sara! I'm sure there's a bit of a MU here. Amar has asked her to rethink her decision of getting married early; he's not asking her to rethink about the fact that she has to get married to Anant. Even though the dialogues may have not been that clear in the promo, it is evident that he has no intention of asking her to break off her marriage with Anant, cause he has no right to do so. While the fact that he's being so meherbaan to her is a bit funny, but we have to understand Amar's sentiments behind what he's doing. Like Tanu rightly pointed out, he doesn't know what all AnYa had to do to let their parents agree to their wedding. He only knows that an extremely capable and diligent worker is giving up a very promising career because she wants to get married, and in a way he's right! Why does Navya have to sacrifice? No, lets put it this way. Why is it always shown that the GIRL has to sacrifice her dreams and hopes and aspirations for her husband/fiance and his family? This is a serious issue of gender inequality that the channel/show has indirectly raised time and again! And Amar has always been like her mentor and guide. She was the one who once went up to him and cried about her issues with her friends, when at that point she should have spoken about it to Anant, and that's when Amar helped her out and gave her proper advice. If he could give her advice then, it is with that same right that he's telling her to re-think about her marriage; and once again, when he asks her to rethink about her marriage, it means he's asking her to think of POSTPONING the wedding. He never was asking her to think of breaking it off. While I too don't want Anant's heart to break, and I know that Anant has had a harder time trying to convince his parents, its still not right for the heroine to always be sacrificing everything for her husband/fiance. Anant could have sorted out his jealousies and misunderstandings, but for some reason he has pathetic interpersonal skills, cause of which he's never been able to express himself to Navya. If he would have done that from the very beginning, there would have been no need for any misunderstandings or jealousies to take place. I know everyone keeps talking about Navya only, and no one really thinks about this from Anant's point of view, but its time he matured, spoke about his issues to Navya, and then they both can take the major decisions in their life TOGETHER.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: dmgfan

Nice post Ritchelle. Nobody is bashing nobody. It was so nice of Anant to have mooted the idea of taking Amar sir out for dinner, whatever may have been his reasons. I think that shows how sorry he felt, and how badly he wanted to make up for the all the mess that happened. Amar sir has a point in asking Navya to continue work, but everything has a way, right? He had no business in Navya's personal life, however close he/she may be to the other. I mean, I don't think anybody in Anant's place would have liked the boss telling his girl what she needed to do in life. We have no qualms with Amar sir appreciating her, it's just the marriage part which shook us a little.


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Hi Meethi! I agree with your points, but I too have my reasons for appreciating Amar and his opinions, and I'll be glad if you'd bear with me for a little while. Yes, the fact that Anant was the one who initiated the idea of taking Amar out to dinner shows that he's ready to move on with his MU and insecurities and he wants to apologise to Amar and Sharmishtha for his inexcusable behavior on the night of the party, and that's commendable. Yes, Amar technically shouldn't be the one to tell Navya what to do and what not to do, but he's not wrong from his PoV either. When he talks to Navya, he doesn't see the trials Anant and her had to go through to reach this point. He only sees that an extremely capable worker is going to forsake a promising career to get married, and thinks that it is wrong. And while I admit that he has no business to interfere in Navya's personal life, we're forgetting that at a point of time, it was Navya who went up to him with her sobs stories and whined about her issues with RRA to him, and at that time he advised her what to do. It is with that right that he merely SUGGESTED to Navya to re-think about her decision to get married so early and give up a promising career. If Anant was a mature person and had talked out everything with Navya, he would actually be sympathetic with what Amar says and not feel bad about it at all. Amar has Navya's best interests at heart and so does Anant, so why should Anant get mad? Its not like Amar is asking Navya to break off her wedding with Anant right? I don't see why should Anant get offended at this point, cause Amar didn't say anything offending at all. Instead, he just put forth a though in their mind, which is a classic example of Nayi Soch. Amar was the only one who could do this cause of reasons I've mentioned in my original post. Amar wasn't telling Anant's girl what to do with her life, he was merely making a suggestion, and I don't see what is wrong in anyone suggesting this to Navya. Everyone's angry cause AMAR suggested this. What if Nimisha or Sharmishtha had made the suggestion? Would the reactions still be the same? Meethi, I'm not trying to defend Amar here or anything, I'm trying to raise a voice against the unequal treatment of a sensitive issue. And you said that no-one's bashing no-one. I was just going through the thread where the WU of the promo had been posted, and most of the people are ready to go and commit homicide and are passing death threats to Amar. Isn't that also a form of bashing?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi, Ritchelle, I am with you all the way on this...about the issue you raised and about your arguments for why Navya should continue working. But I think that if we have to talk about how the story should move ahead then we will have to consider the characters as they have been shown till date. Navya and this is very important, despite her name, does not actually display any Nayi Soch. Her entire focus till date has been to make her parents happy. This is the girl who promised her father that she would break off with Anant after the Kanpur fiasco. ( i will never ever forgive her for that. Never). 😡She has till date never fought for this relationship. Every time somebody raised a problem, she has said yes we should break up or not continue. Now her focus is to make Anant's family happy. She actually doesnt think that there is anything wrong in his family's stance of her not working after marriage. According to her if that is what the elders want then that must be right.

Anant is the only character who has been shown till date (between the Bajpayee's and Mishra's) to display any Nayi Soch. He is shown to utilise his critical facility to determine what is right and what is wrong, to question his family and to argue for a different decision- whether for Nimmi or for himself and now Navya.

So staying with the characters, Navya will need Anant if she has to do anything different from what the 'elders' in any situation want. Anant needs Navya because through her he is able to think independently of his family. His first independent decision is to marry Navya - once that is achieved he will be able to take other decisions as well. Navya helps Anant have ambition. So the two misfits in generation Y need each other to be able to join generation y and take on orthodoxy.

Moving away from the serial, you are right, girls' right to further education and to have a job should be a given in any situation and in no circumstances should she be expected to sacrifice these rights for marriage and family just like men are not expected to.

Regarding what is the serial's motive and message. They are trying to problematise what is shown to be the ideal family in most other serials like SNS - so the Bajpayees are the problem family in this serial whereas in SNS they are the ideal. This is a baby step away from what are the high TRP generating shows. Navya as in the character does not really represent a modern girl - she is just a little different. Anant on the other hand is expected to be traditional but till now has tended to be more modern in his outlook...perhaps because in his own words he focuses more on individual happiness.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Shilpa: Very solid points you have there..I couldn't agree more that Navya as a character has always been the biggest example of a push-over..She never tries to think about her happiness, about what will be good for her..Its always about her family's happiness, Anant's family's happiness for her..She will endure any amount of injustice without uttering "Uff"..And I always found it very hard to relate to her character for the same reason..She is just another SP heroine with devi like qualities whose only job is to act as the sacrificial lamb for others benefit..🤢

Anant, despite all his flaws and shortcomings, is still pretty relatable..He knows how to distinguish between right an wrong and is not afraid to go against his downright scary family if he thinks they are wrong..He makes mistakes, a lot of them, but he also owns up to them..And as you said, if we leave Navya to deal with this whole job issue then she will give up her career without even paying a second thought to it..She is a devi jee remember..And she will need Anant for that very same reason because out of the two of them, he is the one with enough guts to go against his family and possibly hurt their sentiments too, to do whats right..

I strongly believe that had it been anyone other than Amar suggesting Navya to continue to work, and Anant over heard the conversation, then he would think about it with a clear head and would have wanted her to work too if that is what she wanted..But since its Amar who did the needful, he will have a hard time focusing on the real issue thanks to the jealousy induced stupor he will be in..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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silently reading the replies being put on this thread...& whoa Shilpa...u r on full steam!! Am loving the way u r articulating!!!👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Shilpa- Completely agree with you Shilpa! The name of the show is Navya, but the heroine (whose name is Navya) doesn't seem show any form of Nayi Soch! Its always been Anant who's had to fight for Navya and their relationship and anything to do with her. And that's precisely why even though Anant acts like the biggest idiot on earth like almost all the time, I still love him as a character. However, here I'm trying to raise an issue to the CVs of Navya as well as the channel. Do we really need to see a girl following the orthodox rules of her family blindly? For ONCE, can't she think for herself and about herself? And I agree with Tanu, if anyone other than Amar would have asked Navya to work, Amar and the rest of the skeptics would have agreed. But just cause it was Amar who did the needful, everyone's lashing out and supporting the Bajpaayees.

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