'Wild Card' Ball of Jodi. 1 & Psych 101 - Page 2

Originally posted by: whynot

hi small wonder. you don't have to agree with me. I'm not defending NG only because they're my fav jodi. i like them but i like tanaaz bakhtyaar too.
i'm defending them because i dislike the morally superior stand that everyone is taking. on this very forum, people have got angry 100000 times. so how can they now say 'grow up. its only a show'. if its only a show, then why do you support your own fav.s so strongly? yeh log toh at least show mein dance kar rahe hai, hum toh participants bhi nahi hai.
as far as snobbery goes, what does the word snobbery mean? aloofness? being reserved? well then Gauri and Hiten are also reserved and i like them for it. if snobbery means thinking that you are good, what is wrong with thinking that you are good?
you know when i read these posts, i realise ke NG ka fault yeh nahi hai ke they were angry, unka fault yeh hai ke they showed that anger. When raju shrivastva said ki jodiyan man mein yeh sochti hai par bolti nahi, they all laughed and clapped, they agreed with him. all 5 eliminated jodis thought that they did not deserve to be out. but NG said so... and that is why they are being punished. Thats why i'm upset.

snobbery to me does not mean any of that 😛 to me being snobbish means thinking urself to be too superior to belong to a group around u, or looking down upon others... and by referring to others as villians, they certainly did so and i totally agree that GN's fault was that they showed the anger - when everyone had already acknowledged what they were trying to depict...

First of all, let me give all of you a BIG hand for starting such a lovely topic of discussion. 👏

These kind of topics make coming here worthwhile. Please please keep it up. Ekummed, it's a pleasure to read your analysis.

My take is this:

1) Both the audience and the judges were aware of Gaurav Narayani's anger. Bringing it onto the dance, relating it to their performance, incorporating the 'jodi no 1' theme with a straight jibe to other contestants was actualy over doing it.

2) As ekummed correctly pointed out, Raju Srivastava's comedy had set the stage for an evening of pure fun filled entertainment, and I think no one was ready for the kind of vibes G_N gave out.

3) Having an attitude is right. Having an attitude to demean anyone is not right, in any society. It's not about humility. It's about being rude or having a superiority complex.

4) Even in a creative platform, there are ways to express anger. GN got just too loud.....

Well night eyes i believe that facts are subjective opinions that are held to be true by a majority in society, hence they become 'facts'. Here i don't mean facts like 'the grass is green', i mean facts like Govinda films are vulgar. This is why the insanity of one age becomes the sanity of another, because more people accept it and so it becomes acceptable. What after all does 'normal' mean: that which is the norm, that which is followed by maximum number of people.
Also, I'm not blindly supporting everything NG are saying and doing: but i don't entirely trust these newspaper reports, as we've agreed in another post.
Also it affected their dance but not to the extent that the judges claimed it did. 22 is what i have a problem with.
Finally, humility is different from honesty and integrity. if something is wrong and you do not express anger, that is not humility. Also, the song demanded attitude. the other participants have not picked similar songs, who knows how humble they'll all be? in the initial promos, Shweta Tiwari used to say 'We'll win, because we are the best, in fact, i'm the best.' that was also not humility. all this elan-e-jang and reality specials where each jodi threatens the others are not exactly outpouring of humility.
Also, i don't think evil breeds success. there are all kinds of successes. if i work in an NGO and am successful at what i set out to do, is that evil? i'm a student and i do very well in my subject, have been very successful in it. is that evil? to want to be the best in your professiion or in academics, is that evil?
Finally, I mentioned the Australian cricket team vis a vis aggression. Most competitions/sports thrive on ambition and agression. If tendulkar had said 'i'm content and happy' after 20 centuries, would he have made 40?
p.s. not meant to offend or hurt. i just end up reacting strongly so write all this. maybe its the teacher in me!!

Oh no, I'm not offended. I was just reacting to your post about how India's a land of martyrs and humility. I thought you were poking fun at how because of that, it was overtaken in terms of success and prosperity.
I haven't watched Cricket for a long, long time. But IMO, India's poor performance in sports is because of the lack of emphasis schools and parents put on athletics. But this is going waaaaaay off topic 😆

ya this is going way off topic. so one last clarification. i was not making fun of india, not do i think that its not successful or prosperous. nor do i count success or prosperity in very worldly terms. my post was more the rant of a concerned citizen.
to come back to Nach Baliye, who's your fav. pair?

Originally posted by: whynot

to come back to Nach Baliye, who's your fav. pair?

Mine? It changes every week 😛. But dance wise, it's usually Hu-Tina or T-B.
However, I do sneak some votes for GHT everytime 😳

Great post Nighteyes_fog.

I have lost all respect for N-G after their pathetic performance. Kya baat hai, they're angry, they're pissed off but it didn't occur to them to come back with a bang with a fantastic performance. Co-ordination, steps ka bhi gadbad tha. And all those countless interviews proclaiming themselves to be some kind of persecuted dancers, God! And apart from all this, they conveniently forgot that their performance in the Comedy round had been abysmal. Even Shweta Raja's 'Hum the wo thi' act was better.

These people have a hugeeeeeee superiority complex. They only performed thrice- of which one was a so-so performance, one was a great performance and the third was godawful. Where's the consistency in that? These are not Tanaaz Bakhtyaar or Varun Raj level ke dancers.

And regarding the anger of being voted out by the contestants, that is the format of the show. Like it or leave it. Every good jodi is gonna face being voted out by their peers. N-G act like they were the only ones thrown out. And this may be a rhetorical question, but had they stayed on, would they not have done the same to stronger jodis? Plus they were not popular with the audience and didn't get enuff votes. So, now audience is also to blame? I personally never voted for them because they were decent but Tanaaz Bakhtiyaar always outshone them. So they were never the 'best' according to me. Basically accha performance dene ke ilaava these people will look for twenty different excuses.

And it may be true that the Dum song required attitude, but who chose it? They did. They didn't have to pick a slow romantic song but they cud easily have picked a dumdaar song that didn't have so many negative connotations. If nothing else, it was bad timing!!!!!!!!!! to pick a song that cud portray them in such a negative light for the wild card round. Result: you alienate the judges, you alienate the junta. Fir tera kya hoga Kaalia?? 😆 😆

I say Good riddance to bad rubbish. I am sick of them mouthing off the media constantly. Sore losers like these should never participate in ANY competition. 🤢🤢

'Good riddance to bad rubbish'???
pritilovesnb, do read my posts and react.
nighteyes, this is exactly what i meant by sermonising. Making a dance performance an indication of someone's character and morality. feeling very morally superior and passing judgements on them based on 1 dance, edited reactions and aticles in an unreliable media.

great topic and great observation. however let me disgress a bit and repeat what i had said in one of my posts early into current season.....
firstly i am normally disppointed by judge's comments.none of the judges ever point towards any techinicality of the dance except saroj who seems to believe she is the sole authority on the subject. infact even after 2 seasons...i am still confused about the judgement criterions(i agree with arjun punj completely on this issue). mallaika normally comments on the sizzle factor of the dance(which even i can do with similar ease).kunal seems to be going overboard on muaah factor and his comments are not very different from the other two judges(blame it on herd mentality) and saroj takes choreographers to task(she is not right all the time but seems to expect complete compliance with her views from everyone)let us see what judges normally say...
one of you seemed distracted(everyone gets that)
the dance was hot/cold (we can see that)
you are a very goodlooking couple with chemistry/lacking chemistry (we can see that too)
you put your heart in your dance(hello....that should be pretty obvious)
i keep waiting to hear something constructive from each of them instead of vague feedbacks(i understand that judges have to balance out thier comments with the celebrity status of the participants)or excellent feedback and less marks.also producers should make sure judges are not influenced by each other.let me point out a few things ...in romantic round...yand g took a risk and went spanish but no one commented on a certain lift that should have been completed in one shot and not two but no one noticed, no one noticed when t and b copied steps from original in maahi ve song, no one commented on the fact that ght's steps in romantic round were in line with the era of song...i can go on and on with the list . similarily the judges failed to understand shweta/manav concept in romantic round(pain is also a color of love and the concept was brilliant in its novelity), they wanted a villian in arjun/gurdip performance(is it necessary to have a villian in every love story??).i wish we had judges or atleast a guest judge in every round who was a professional and had some technical background in dancing and stage performances (eg...shamaik, hema malini, meenakshi, protima, ......)
also somehow these judges and viewers are looking at stage with bollywood perceptions which makes me quite frustated since stage performance is very different from on reel performance or picturization.you have to be creative, eyecatching, provide a context, be syncronised, choose steps that flow in each other....the list is endless..now that i have vented my frustation with the judges...let us get back to issue at hand...
narayani and gaurav's performance was mediocre but most importantly they seemed to have lost a certain spark or will to excel...now that might have been a byproduct of thier frustation at thier ouster. judges seem to take it personally nor surprisingly since everyone seems to bow down and butter them up instead of a frank rebuttal(infact everytime some one has disagreed with thier comments , he has lost marks).honestly...given the context..i did not think the villian comment was overboard...infact i thought it reffered to thier peers(climax me hero villian ko dikane aata hai jaan me dum...)until judges began to take it personally and began to comment on anger which i had interpreted as energy(so when bakhtiyaar goes overboard on energy , it is a good thing...when gaurav goes overboard on energy in a joshila song...it is his anger and frustation 😕 ) . surprisingly soon everyone seemed to agree with judges...now that is herd mentality. but then dance as an art is subjective...i had seen a particular dance recently which bordered on being overhot(sensuality wise)...i felt the dancers needed to get a room...imagine my surprise when i found out that it was a brother/sister team who had incorporated all the steps from tango and had brought forth the spirit of that particular dance.bottomline is that ideally music and genre of dance should determines the overall impact of steps/expressions and not what is going on in personal lives of performers
similarily i felt that n and g's dance was wild but uncoordinated at some points...however i do not agree with the rest of the people that they were insulting the judges or were expressing thier anger.
lastly each of varun/rajeshwari performance made me go wowwww....i can do that but would have never thought of it(imagine classical dance on omkara) , every time i watch dancing with the stars/ so you think you can dance....i feel like enrolling in a dance class pronto....i am still waiting for that feeling in nb2 for any jodi yet

whynot, I did read your posts but I disagree with almost all your viewpoints so i didn't want to sit and react to each and every point. Let's just agree to disagree. Besides, I am sick of them and don't even want to waste any time writing about them anymore. I typed what I felt and between the 2 seasons of NB, honestly nobody has fallen so much in my estimate as these 2 😡 And as a sidebar, I am so glad my beloved Raajeshwari asked Gaurav ke villain kaun tha? 😆