Changing yardstick

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Now, I have come across a lot of discussion on today's episode and a lot many flaws in the whole story line have been pointed out. May it be the timeline itself, the essence of Neo's character, multiple glitches in neela- Neil's plan or the whole Neela knows about Ali's catering. These are few of the major loop holes. Let's not even start pointing at minor ones.


What is pestering me is, as an audience, have we all changed our yardstick of measuring the episode. Is "still better than juhi saga" a good criteria to compare episode?

And the second question is, as an audience Is it wrong to expect more or expect logic from the show you love and the characters that speak to you??e.

What is a good episode according to you? What should be the benchmark/criteria to say that an episode /storyline is good. And how willing are you, as an audience to overlook minor or major glitches?
Please share your views.


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Let me start by my honest opinion.
For me the pace of the story matters the most. I destest drag. So if the pace is good, half the battle is already won. The basic storyline, that is the plot, that comes second. It has to be gripping, making you want more but still not keep you hanging. Characters staying in their own lane ( i.e no abrupt change in character or character assassination) is also important. And as far as loopholes are concerned, even though they irritate me sometimes,I can overlook them to a great extent :)

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I was very much excited about the track before it even started because I thought there's good potential in this to showcase each of the characters' strength in their own ways.. Neil's strength in his intelligence towards solving cases.. Be it legal or taking help from outside but somehow trying things wisely.. Even if it had meant to show a quick flashes before starting the leap that he having discussion with his team projecting something on the screen 😆
And somewhere finding clues but then got deviated by Vidyut leaving him with nothing. His frustration would've been wonderful to watch.. Then this is all good going with the flow.. If the CVs intended to keep the background of Neo as a suspense then it's not working at all.. When they show the suspense it'll only look like a damage control.. 😆 By then the charm of the Neo character is lost..
And in case the CVs still intend to keep the clues left unopened and to use the same to finally trap Vidyut then that's the biggest fallback on Neil.. He had been just going round and round not cracking any of them?
If the CVs want us to like Neo then they need to give the background for Neo.. Else they'll lose charm in this Neo.. Poor guy Neil is doing so much and we are only at least me đŸ€Șonly waiting to troll him.. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Push-pull

I was very much excited about the track before it even started because I thought there's good potential in this to showcase each of the characters' strength in their own ways.. Neil's strength in his intelligence towards solving cases.. Be it legal or taking help from outside but somehow trying things wisely.. Even if it had meant to show a quick flashes before starting the leap that he having discussion with his team projecting something on the screen 😆

And somewhere finding clues but then got deviated by Vidyut leaving him with nothing. His frustration would've been wonderful to watch.. Then this is all good going with the flow.. If the CVs intended to keep the background of Neo as a suspense then it's not working at all.. When they show the suspense it'll only look like a damage control.. 😆 By then the charm of the Neo character is lost..
And in case the CVs still intend to keep the clues left unopened and to use the same to finally trap Vidyut then that's the biggest fallback on Neil.. He had been just going round and round not cracking any of them?
If the CVs want us to like Neo then they need to give the background for Neo.. Else they'll lose charm in this Neo.. Poor guy Neil is doing so much and we are only at least me đŸ€Șonly waiting to troll him.. 😆

exactly. I was super thrilled at the beginning of the track. And I am even thrilled now. courtesy no drag and brilliant actors. But the whole "neo" story and why Neil made this decision or the moment when he made it is important for me to know. Whether it was out of frustration against the whole "police system " he is a sworn member of or it was some other thing like a connection to Avni's way of solving things that made him deviate from his original "do not cross the line" stance.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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This is something that should be certainly dicussed after the juhi mishap that happened with usđŸ‘đŸŒ

Juhi track has taken a huge toll on the audience..nk lost its essence/charm during the past 3 months..this brought us to the conclusion that anything other than juhi (her ss..acting..)can be tolerated by us..and yes i would like to appreciate our fandom for showing such patience with that track😊 and indeed that has changed the tolerance and thinking scales of the audience..😃

Serials are meant to be illogical in someway or the other or else how can they take the drama forward??
So i can ignore small illogical stuffs or bloopers..for eg our nk calender, not discussing about the evidences throughly(it should be ignored only then then story can move forward)

As said in the post..there shouldn't be much drag..nk is known for its 4g speed till the rangmahal track..so i want the episodes to move in a good speed so that it doesn't look like im watching the same storyline even after 2 weeks

Happy moments is something i eagerly wait for..sadly nk rarely shows iti would love to see avneil going on a road trip..talking about things peacefully without planning,plotting..

Avneil scenes is something that makes the episode too good..i don't insist on romantic scenes..even an emotional or tashan scene would do or me😊

Unwanted filler scenes should be avoided..which gladly our nk doesn't show much compared to several other shows😊

Nk has being always known for its uniqueness in the handling of its tracks..i would like that to kept intact in the episodes😊

And yea the storyline should be good..as audience we should able to connect with the story..the good part of nk is..almost every consecutive track remains connected..dvm to rp to juhi to vidyut to mishti...

With such a talented cast and a good storyline and very potential and interesting track ahead of us i hope cvs are able to explore it to the best😊

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: darsh333

This is something that should be certainly dicussed after the juhi mishap that happened with usđŸ‘đŸŒ


Juhi track has taken a huge toll on the audience..nk lost its essence/charm during the past 3 months..this brought us to the conclusion that anything other than juhi (her ss..acting..)can be tolerated by us..and yes i would like to appreciate our fandom for showing such patience with that track😊 and indeed that has changed the tolerance and thinking scales of the audience..😃

Serials are meant to be illogical in someway or the other or else how can they take the drama forward??
So i can ignore small illogical stuffs or bloopers..for eg our nk calender, not discussing about the evidences throughly(it should be ignored only then then story can move forward)

As said in the post..there shouldn't be much drag..nk is known for its 4g speed till the rangmahal track..so i want the episodes to move in a good speed so that it doesn't look like im watching the same storyline even after 2 weeks

Happy moments is something i eagerly wait for..sadly nk rarely shows iti would love to see avneil going on a road trip..talking about things peacefully without planning,plotting..

Avneil scenes is something that makes the episode too good..i don't insist on romantic scenes..even an emotional or tashan scene would do or me😊

Unwanted filler scenes should be avoided..which gladly our nk doesn't show much compared to several other shows😊

Nk has being always known for its uniqueness in the handling of its tracks..i would like that to kept intact in the episodes😊

And yea the storyline should be good..as audience we should able to connect with the story..the good part of nk is..almost every consecutive track remains connected..dvm to rp to juhi to vidyut to mishti...

With such a talented cast and a good storyline and very potential and interesting track ahead of us i hope cvs are able to explore it to the best😊

this was very insightful. Thank you! Yes happy characters are the best characters. And I totally agree with you that NK is a very unique show. Not only with regards to it's pace but also the story line. Some where down the line it always highlights social issues.

Avneil make Naamkarann. Period So more avneil scenes for me too.


@bold: exactly my thoughts. We have very talented actors and tremendous potential with the current track. Hopefully we get great episodes. I am currently pretty happy with the kind of episodes we are getting.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Much needed post I guess to know what everyone are expecting out of this track.
Honestly I wasn't very happy with watching avni in jail I expected they will start the leap only when Avni is out on bail or something where the trial for the case is still on and Neil not able to find any evidence surprisingly I have kinda accepted the jail track and feeling quite connected to Avni and her emotional trauma and my heart goes out for avni to the point of making me cry at time thanks to aditi For her brilliant performance 👏

Let come to the issues I have
I want to connect to both AvNeil not just avni or not just Neil separately but sadly it's not happening.
Neela the character I love and adore the most is shown disconnected from avnis emotions
Most of all Neil's backstory which I am sure is common point
The reason to send her to jail I understand but not keeping proper check on avni's activities I don't get it, why are they not aware of her becoming this another version of ananya
The story is move forward but I find the pace is slow I feel like skipping many scenes.
I don't the see fire in Neil to free his wife
Khannas are missing in action
When avni was hurt I didn't see that protective husband there was lack of emotions
I understand he cannot meet avni he could have gone to jail check on with Monica for hurting his wife.
Missing AvNeil in same frame 😭
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaiksafia

Much needed post I guess to know what everyone are expecting out of this track.
Honestly I wasn't very happy with watching avni in jail I expected they will start the leap only when Avni is out on bail or something where the trial for the case is still on and Neil not able to find any evidence surprisingly I have kinda accepted the jail track and feeling quite connected to Avni and her emotional trauma and my heart goes out for avni to the point of making me cry at time thanks to aditi For her brilliant performance 👏

Let come to the issues I have
I want to connect to both AvNeil not just avni or not just Neil separately but sadly it's not happening.
Neela the character I love and adore the most is shown disconnected from avnis emotions
Most of all Neil's backstory which I am sure is common point
The reason to send her to jail I understand but not keeping proper check on avni's activities I don't get it, why are they not aware of her becoming this another version of ananya
The story is move forward but I find the pace is slow I feel like skipping many scenes.
I don't the see fire in Neil to free his wife
Khannas are missing in action
When avni was hurt I didn't see that protective husband there was lack of emotions
I understand he cannot meet avni he could have gone to jail check on with Monica for hurting his wife.
Missing AvNeil in same frame 😭

I personally thought that the jail scene is better than a courtroom drama because that has been exploited time and again in different shows. So, this jail thing is kind of refreshing and I am ready to overlook the whole whether Avni has been sentenced or has been just put there.
As regards to avni, aditi is phenomenal. you can feel her emotions and I think that has been written and ahown very well.


As, far as Neil is concerned, all of us had a common view that his back story needs to be shown. And shown early. I think they must have been trying to show a pinning Neil but some how it is not coming across. I mean, the tile breaking scene coupd have been phenomenal backed up with dialogues of anguish. My heart really went out to Neil in the initial episodes where he cried in front of neela or when he was alone in the room after avni was taken to police station. That anguish was real and moved me. I 'd like to aee some more of that. Zain nails them.

Yes,more avneil scenes, not necessarily romantic, are the need of the hour. I think we'll get that monday onwards, with hopefully Neil taking over the jail. So fingers crossed.

And I think the pace is okay for me, because this week was supposed to be a base forming thing.

And yes, i miss my shweta and prakashji and bebe. But with so much to show and the time constraints, I think they are going to be MIA.* Sigh*

Thanks for sharing your view. I totally agree with whatever you've said. And it is absolutely amazing to know someone else's perspective. <3
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Posted: 8 years ago
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But the bigger picture is that we need better content on TV. I don't think lack of logic or suspension of reality is the only way to create an engaging drama. We connect with characters more than the story right now. But it'd be awesome if the story were just as rivetting. Like we on this forum are lay people and we can point out so many bloopers, loose ends, plot holes in our tv shows...do we do the same when we watch a Netflix show or even an Indian web series. NO. Why can't TV create such content? The excuse that the audience won't watch it is not true. People who work on these shows should care more about the quality of the show they put out, not only about their livelihood...they are in a creative field afterall. Don't they wan t to look back and be proud of their show NK has a wonderful cast...they are capable of much better. After the chuhi track the show reached such a low that now anything in comparison feels awesome. It's like once you reach rock bottom only way you can go is up! The current track has so much potential. I hope they don't squander it away.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: neeraja91

But the bigger picture is that we need better content on TV. I don't think lack of logic or suspension of reality is the only way to create an engaging drama. We connect with characters more than the story right now. But it'd be awesome if the story were just as rivetting. Like we on this forum are lay people and we can point out so many bloopers, loose ends, plot holes in our tv shows...do we do the same when we watch a Netflix show or even an Indian web series. NO. Why can't TV create such content? The excuse that the audience won't watch it is not true. People who work on these shows should care more about the quality of the show they put out, not only about their livelihood...they are in a creative field afterall. Don't they wan t to look back and be proud of their show NK has a wonderful cast...they are capable of much better. After the chuhi track the show reached such a low that now anything in comparison feels awesome. It's like once you reach rock bottom only way you can go is up! The current track has so much potential. I hope they don't squander it away.

I do understand where you are coming from. so, I take it that keeping low expectations is not a good thing? ( and that echoes my thoights too.) But the basic problem with the Netflix series or even the web series we watch is that they are finite. Set number if episodes and pre- made story line. And the episodes are weekly or biweekly . That gives it an ample opportunity to make every plot relevant . Somehow , in India the whole concept of a weekly show hasn't worked on tv. It's not that it hasn't been tried, but more often than not it has failed miserably .Majoly because tv is a "trp aunty" oriented space and Internet a youth oriented . But yet again, these people have massive budget, best of the writers and best of the star casts as (compared to web series ) at their disposal . so definitely our expectations being low isn't justified, right??
Coming back to NK, I do think they have everything going on for them (except for their editors SIGH). Only if they'd take up their daily story line just one little step up. Only if they'd also take into consideration the random big bloopers, nothing can stop NK from reaching the top. and that rock-bottom will definitely be forgotten. r


Btw, thanks for your views. I have to tell you ,your posts always make me think .after every single episode , and a new perspective is always welcome. <3.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agree there are lot of pressures with a daily show. But really if the content was better I'd be willing to wait for a week! It would be super difficult but still. And it's possible to do multiple seasons as well. And just because it's a daily soap we do give forgive them for many slip ups but they really need to introspect and realize that audience deserves better content.

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