Daredevil's advocate and Avni/Neil and AvNeil's wellwisher

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Ok let me be the devil's advocate here, he is being a daredevil anyways these days. Since he is the one whose actions, feelings and reactions are most opposed, I'm trying to point out few things but always as a person who likes Neil, Avni and AVNEIL!

I always maintain that yes you should never take the decision for someone else in their place or take the decision of the couple's fate on your own, no matter how u think it's good for them. So yes normally and as per the way a relationship should be Neil should have shared this with Avni instead of hiding it from her, he has always been honest about everything and he has always given her the choice even to walk away from him if she wanted BUT what about when Avni breaks the promises she makes to Neil, no matter how he explains or begs?!. She decided to die when she discovered Aman's betrayal, it was a decision she took without thinking of Neil, just a mere sorry, what about him, it would have impacted him. She promised him few hours back and she said "kabhi nahi" about not breaking her promise and in the morning u see her with Ali hatching a plan B in all its details, thinking Neil won't understand. I understand her past, I understand her fears and all, but why some fans' double standards when it comes to Neil, this is the first time he does it and under forces he deemed were fatal for Avni, his experience and what he knows about her suggests she might yet again go and confront Vidyut and who knows in which troubles she might land this time especially now that Neil knows the full intentions of Vidyut, when provoked Avni loses control over herslef, she might remember the promise she made to Neil but despite that her feelings take over and she goes ahead with her impulse.

Neil was never an MCP, he has always treated her as an equal, loved her with her flaws, despite breaking his promises, he accepted her the way she is, he has learnt to read through her and love her unconditionally. The Ananya avatar he dislikes is the one where she completely loses herself and can do something drastic like killing someone, if it wasn't for him she would have killed DVM ages ago and gone behind bars ages ago. He did it to control her just for a while, otherwise as per the promo itself he knows his Avni won't sit idle and will try to go out of prison

Many were talking about the consent here, a rule Avni has broken many times and Neil is breaking for the first time. When Juhi's issue came in Neil's life, he told her everthing about her, and then when Juhi came in person to his life and even told him she has a daughter, he didn't hide it from Avni, he gave her the choice to walk away but she decided to stay by his side, when again her past was being digged out by Vidyut and RP Neil admitted it's hard for her and gave her the choice once again to walk away, but she stuck to him as she loved him and respected him. It was her choice here, once u choose u assume the responsibility of ur choice but the day she came up with other plans and due to circumstances she decided to not wait for Neil and went behind Juhi and Vidyut, that was also her choice, she excluded Neil and didn't respect the choice they agreed on, no one compelled her to point the gun at Juhi and fall in Vidyut's trap, the way of dealing with things was her choice and it landed her into troubles despite Neil's warnings. Now yes people would argue saying Mishti and Juhi and Vidyut are in their lives because of Neil but again let's not forget that she was the one who decided to stick to Neil and stand by him the way he stood by her in the past, so it was her consent but when she broke the promise she didn't consider Neil's consent, and here is the difference, it's not about whose problem is that, as in who brought the problem to their lives, it's about what they decided as a couple and agreed about together. Yaar she was even running away without telling him, I know she did it for him as well but wasn't it hiding things from him, doing things that impact both without his consent?!!. Obviously I understand why Avni did all this, first there is her love for Neil and then there is also the impact of her past.

So if we can understand Avni based on her past, why do we find it so hard to understand Neil as well, yes he has been luckier as he didn't have a past as painful as Avni's but that doesn't mean he doesn't feel as well. Why do we jumpt the gun at everything he does, if he protects Avni in a controlling way then he is MCP, if he lets her face Vidyut then he is begharat and doesn't show protective instincts enough, why people expect him to be perfect in every single way, if he is not then they call him hypocrite, nakabil, MCP and what not, I know he has some extreme ways, I don't always agree of but why do we judge.

We can also wonder why Neil is able to read through Avni and understand when she hides something even from her expressions, why he can predict her next moves often while Avni saw doubt in his eyes, now if eyes are the mirror to the soul then Avni definitely didn't read his eyes well, because he trusts her and he loves her, but due to her past experiences we can understand her then why can't we understand him as well!

Why can't we see Neil and Avni as AvNeil, both have their flaws but I don't see anything wrong in their love, at times they hurt each other even when they don't want to, it's hard to not get hurt by ur loved ones at some point of time even when they don't mean to but if you will get hurt anyways make sure you get hurt for a person who is worth it!

Yaha tak lessons ki baat hai, I feel both Neil and Avni might learn things the hard way this time. Only time will tell which decision was good and which one was bad, maybe there is no wrong or right decision, maybe it's all a matter of perspective, a matter of approach, let's see

I also read about how couldn't he find evidence or get her out of jail in 6months, do u know how much time cases stay in courts?!, woh bhi murder cases, if a car accident with no victims can take more than three months to be solved, then u can imagine murder cases, I know about some of these cases which were in courts for years, we want Neil Khanna to be perfect but he is not superman, if people want to judge him on his intelligence and kabiliyat then look at reality first.

And why the sadism of wanting Neil to suffer so much later, as if he is not suffering now, he is inflicting himself the same pain he is inflicting her, he knows he is hurting her and he is hurting himself as well, he thought this is the only way out, maybe there is another way but he thinks this is the only one, so don't intentions hold any importance?! She sleeps on the ground, he sleeps on the gorund, she is distanced from her family, his family is distanced from him as well (emotionally), he needs to protect her, tackle Vidyut, prove her innocence, and as per spoilers he was hurting himself as well for eventually hurting her or for something going wrong in her case.

From the men interested in Avni, Neil is the right match to Avni, they balance each other so well . Vidyut is a psycho murderer and he is only obsessed with her, Ali is too lenient with her, he can support her even when she is wrong but Neil can fight against her for her, now that he saw that she won't listen anyway or give him any choice he did it without her knowledge!

I feel both are right in their own place, if we see all the factors that influenced their decisions

Anyways I know it's just a show, so we can't expect complete logic, we can't always find realism but it's still far better than many things dished out to viewers.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Bang on...u r the only one who thought frm Neil's pov also... otherwise evry1 here are bashing poor Neil who did good for a girl who cheated him into marriage...ppl bash Neil for anything and everything...very sensible post explaining both the views esp Neil's...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Bang on post!! Only time will tell whose decision was correct. Both have flaws n both will learn in hard way.
Just watched the episode n I'm still speechless. Bravo to whole team..
My adu is looking like a chubby teenager.. she is munchkin.. guess she has put on.. but she is cute yaar
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Posted: 7 years ago
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U said it al ,n i cant agree more..Hes goin to hurt himself for havin hurt her..I dnt have anythin to add to wat u said..Bang on ur post is
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I completely agree with you. I don't know why people r judging him like that today. He was in so much pain himself. He is doing this to save her. and we all know how impulsive she is. She won't sit in jail follow Neil's plan if he said her everything.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Even though seperation will bring some old magic back i still find the reason of their seperation of avneil given by cvs to be BS😆 its like what?😆
I understand what u r trying to say here and i dont blame neil here but more like CVS ..they both will learn things the hard way this time i guess...
Avni to learn how her impulsiveness made her fall and neil ka to pucho hi mat...NK land me saari musinbaton ka bill neil pe hi fat-ta hai🤣
Neil always have a lot on his plate.seems like cvs. Like to keep neil busy all the time..
Even though i dont like avni staying in jail for 6 months but u do make a good point...real life me murder cases go on for years even... ..but then evidence is against her and she wont say. Anything which will only add up to case going strong against her.
All in all...if avni escaped jail..do remember wo bhi neil ke liye hi bhaari padega😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I saw the episode now...
I don' think avni hates neil...she is deeply hurt. It was heart breaking to see their separation. The way avneil respond to pain and hurt is so different...Neil cries and let' out ...avni becomes numb and isolated. One good thing is both know the cause of their separation and have no misconceptions about their target vidyuth. R.
The way avni was practising tai chi...is promising...I hope this time in jail she attains that control over her emotions..anger...and Impulsiveness. I have a feeling this time the ananya who is coming out of jail is more controlled smart and very hard to decode ( even for Neil and neelama ). I would love to see that kind of ananya.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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In simple you made me understand that Neil and avni are flawed as individuals but together they are flawless and their love for each other is flawless,perfect and pure
They both are right in their own place I agree
Bang on post seriously thanks you made my perspective change I completely agree with all that you have mentioned
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I agree with you. At no point did I intend my post to cone across as anti Neil. But my own impression is that Neil has been potrayed as being perfect and glorified in the show. Althoughthere's only a few scenes where Neil has acknowledged that he has also made errors in judgement. maybe it's my feminist nature or the fact that I stated watching the show for avni before I became an Avneil fan so I'm definitely more pro avni than pro Neil. I'm happy to admit that. But it doesn't mean I'm not shipping Avneil. I just feel that compared to all the broken promises and situations that Avneil have gone through this is HUGE. But it'll impact avni most negatively. She's impulsive, has s bitter past and she's not recovered fully. At this point not hearing Neil tell her even indirectly that he trusts that she is not a murderer has really shaken her to the core. Ya Neel is suffering too but avni is having her past replayed both for herself and in terms of seeing mishti so
She is not in a position to be level headed. She's gone back to her defense mode of ananya. Neil is the mature intelligent cop. Of course with avni he gets too sentimental
But he needs to step back and see the whole picture. He knows avni best. How can having avni "hating" him like he says help the situation. She will definitely become ananya now. And it'll be even harder to make her avni again. And even if Neel will also suffer without avni, it's not the same thing as being IMPRISONED. I definitely feel like he hasn't thought out the consequences of this fully. And more than his decision to put avni in jail his hypocrisy in terms of resorting to vigilante justice is jarring for me. This is what he reprimanded avni for, so how is it ok for him to do it? He's avenging his wife. She was avenging her mother! After all the chuhi torture where avni WILLINGLY did things for Neel it's now neels turn to Work hard to get his avni back on again
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Posted: 7 years ago
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So I have no issue with the separation or the character flaws but I want the flaws acknowledged. And I completely understand that it's only a show but the reason we discuss stuff on this forum is that despite it only being a show we co nnect with the story and tolerate all the loopholes.

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