Does Monil & Ponky even deserve any pity? - Page 2

Originally posted by: libran90

Dehek and Mehek are idiots, but Meera isn't. She is very well aware that these men engage in trafficking. The only man she thinks is good is Veeranshu. So I have no idea if Meera can be used, and neither I think Bani will spare the boys if any of them try their tricks, and neither Veeranshu will.

Originally posted by: AutumnColors

Meera can be used too if blackmailed though but of course Bani wouldn't allow that and neither I want these guys to get any girls and whitewash their bad deeds.

Agreed. If they want to change themselves, they have to feel that on there own.

Originally posted by: libran90

I agree with this point too. Just to justify Bani's revenge and pull up Bani's character which is already so weak, they pulled down the other characters. This rapist angle was added in forcefully. Monil was turned into a rapist to justify Naagin's badla, which in the first place, does not exist.

Rape/Murder are acts of crimes.

Well, I feel if bani is considering herself at the place of authority, where she can give the judgement for every enemy of hers, I feel she should also know the difference between punishment and redemption.

In a country like India, the fact that our law resorts to redemption/ lifelong imprisonment and there still isn't death penalty for a rapist, shows that how strongly we believe in redemption. Now, its right or wrong that's subjective.

But here, bani too is the law. She's considering herself the justice giver, right? So it shouldn't be that straightforward for her, as to find the criminal and kill!

She must be the one to analyse, 'kon kitna paani mei hai!' There's a difference between mistakes and sins.

Monil did deserve to die, no doubt! Even ponky did! There crime was henious! But that's the point. To what extent bani will go punish the bad people?

Correct me if am wrong, but good and bad is subjective!

Bani says all the cheels are bad! But then by that logic, even noor had committed the crime! She slept with Veer just a night before her wedding, cheating on her fiance!

Now, if we can consider that as her innocent mistake, something which tapish and daksh are doing isn't far from that.

Tapish and Daksh are merely following the orders of their father and uncle? Why? Maybe, they haven't gotten the leverage like Veer to keep an opinion of their own!

Supporting a crime and committing a crime a two different things! Cheel brothers are not pure evil. If that was the case, they would have seen bani too with that filthy POV. None of them ever saw bani with any bad intentions, inspite of her being just a human (for them)!

They always treated her like their bhabhi, their elder brother's wife! Same was the case with mayuri! So, there is a scope of redemption. In monil's case, Its totally agreeable. To some extent even ponky.

But ponky is really someone who seems redeemable to me. He should be given the harshest punishment ever for his crime, but death? I don't feel so!

Its said that, killing finishes the criminal not the crime.

Ponky, tapish and daksh aren't purely evil at their core! They are brought up like that! If we are considering Aadi-naagin as the court of justice here, she should consider the background with which the crimes are committed! Noor was her bestfriend, so that personal involvement will also be there! But in case of human trafficking, killing off everyone, doesn't seem a wise choice! Balwant should die! No doubt. He is sinful! I can't talk about pawan chachu, but he seems like a lakshman to Ram sorts, does whatever the elder brother says. Actually Shukla deserves to die even before Balwant. He has been the real ass in this whole situation.

Also, by bani's so called logic of not committing anything bad, wasn't bani's chachi being bad to meera as well! Isn't she greedy enough to marry off her daughter to someone she doesn't even know! So will bani ever look at her from that POV? I know, it's not a good comparison factor.

But am just trying to say, bani's judgement here is clouded by her, last birth's rage! The cheels did bad to her and her clan, agreed! But When? And are all cheels bad enough to deserve a death like monil?

I just feel, bani isn't some undercover agent, who's paid to kill everyone, in that house! Nor this the case like other seasons that her own personal losses are involved except with respect to balwant!

So she shouldn't be a 'bailbuddhi' who goes on a killing spree and act like a killing machine! It would actually show her Aadi-naagin prowess if she analysis who should be killed and who should be punished, coz thet are indeed two very different things!

Now here, I felt the need to defend the cheel family, coz the makers have shown us the facets of the family for so long now. If they wanted to justify bani's killing they should have shown them purely evil, right from start!

even noor had committed the crime! She slept with Veer just a night before her wedding, cheating on her fiance.

I actually find this part very strange - Veer was a close friend of the groom, then why did he sleep with Noor in the first place when he knew that it was a clear betrayal. The groom was not just cheated by his would be bride but also by his friend. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by: J2lover

Well, I feel if bani is considering herself at the place of authority, where she can give the judgement for every enemy of hers, I feel she should also know the difference between punishment and redemption.

In a country like India, the fact that our law resorts to redemption/ lifelong imprisonment and there still isn't death penalty for a rapist, shows that how strongly we believe in redemption. Now, its right or wrong that's subjective.

But here, bani too is the law. She's considering herself the justice giver, right? So it shouldn't be that straightforward for her, as to find the criminal and kill!

She must be the one to analyse, 'kon kitna paani mei hai!' There's a difference between mistakes and sins.

Monil did deserve to die, no doubt! Even ponky did! There crime was henious! But that's the point. To what extent bani will go punish the bad people?

Correct me if am wrong, but good and bad is subjective!

Bani says all the cheels are bad! But then by that logic, even noor had committed the crime! She slept with Veer just a night before her wedding, cheating on her fiance!

Now, if we can consider that as her innocent mistake, something which tapish and daksh are doing isn't far from that.

Tapish and Daksh are merely following the orders of their father and uncle? Why? Maybe, they haven't gotten the leverage like Veer to keep an opinion of their own!

Supporting a crime and committing a crime a two different things! Cheel brothers are not pure evil. If that was the case, they would have seen bani too with that filthy POV. None of them ever saw bani with any bad intentions, inspite of her being just a human (for them)!

They always treated her like their bhabhi, their elder brother's wife! Same was the case with mayuri! So, there is a scope of redemption. In monil's case, Its totally agreeable. To some extent even ponky.

But ponky is really someone who seems redeemable to me. He should be given the harshest punishment ever for his crime, but death? I don't feel so!

Its said that, killing finishes the criminal not the crime.

Ponky, tapish and daksh aren't purely evil at their core! They are brought up like that! If we are considering Aadi-naagin as the court of justice here, she should consider the background with which the crimes are committed! Noor was her bestfriend, so that personal involvement will also be there! But in case of human trafficking, killing off everyone, doesn't seem a wise choice! Balwant should die! No doubt. He is sinful! I can't talk about pawan chachu, but he seems like a lakshman to Ram sorts, does whatever the elder brother says. Actually Shukla deserves to die even before Balwant. He has been the real ass in this whole situation.

Also, by bani's so called logic of not committing anything bad, wasn't bani's chachi being bad to meera as well! Isn't she greedy enough to marry off her daughter to someone she doesn't even know! So will bani ever look at her from that POV? I know, it's not a good comparison factor.

But am just trying to say, bani's judgement here is clouded by her, last birth's rage! The cheels did bad to her and her clan, agreed! But When? And are all cheels bad enough to deserve a death like monil?

I just feel, bani isn't some undercover agent, who's paid to kill everyone, in that house! Nor this the case like other seasons that her own personal losses are involved except with respect to balwant!

So she shouldn't be a 'bailbuddhi' who goes on a killing spree and act like a killing machine! It would actually show her Aadi-naagin prowess if she analysis who should be killed and who should be punished, coz thet are indeed two very different things!

Now here, I felt the need to defend the cheel family, coz the makers have shown us the facets of the family for so long now. If they wanted to justify bani's killing they should have shown them purely evil, right from start!

Cheel family were shown evil from the very start expect for Veer they're all criminals.

Back to my ranting space. (Sorry if it annoys you guys but.... muh band nahi hota mera)

1. Bani sees herself as someone who has to provide justice so, she also has to understand the crime done.

Please marna mat mujhe but I'm gonna give my favourite referce from Ramayan. (Log offend honge but I'll still do that). Like all of Ravana's sons were powerful. His brothers were powerful. Lanka was like an indomitable force. Yet all of them fell from grace because of their brother/father Ravana. He did wrong but took down a once glorious empire. They all were powerful and had their strengths but none of them ever went against Ravana and they had to follow his orders. They did so knowing that what Ravana was doing was wrong.

Yaha bhi it is something similar. Tapish, Daksh and Pawan have no say in what they want. They don't have the leverage to have a say in it. Only Veer does. Veer has been given that freedom and power because of his status as one of the most powerful Cheels. When the right person doesn't take charge, it is left to those who don't make right use of the power. Because Veer doesn't take the front seat, Balwant is free to do as he wants.

2. Bani is like a charging bull or a cornered spectacled cobra (It is my favourite reference for Bani because she's a Naagin). She doesn't stop to judge between the colours. It doesn't matter to the bull if it is maroon or red or magenta. It sees them the same way and charges up towards them. It doesn't matter to the spectacled cobra that the person before it is trying to rescue it, it will hiss and aggresively attack anyone before it. Bani does the same. She doesn't stop to judge them first. She makes no effort to research about what is both the sides of the story.

It took Bani three months to see that Veer isn't evil or anything. Gods know how long she will take to see that Daksh Tapish and Pawan aren't all that evil and can have a chance at getting better.

3. About redemption. Redemption is for those who feel remorse for what they have done. If you accidently hit someone with a vehicle, it is wrong, but if you take enough care to take them to the hospital and make sure that you try to help them in all possible way, then you have a chance for redemption. That is redemption. To realize what you have done is wrong, feel remorse and do something to make it right.

Considering Monil and Ponky don't feel remorse, they can't reach the state of redemption. Monil deserved to die the way he did. I'll stand on it. He couldn't be saved when he felt zero remorse over it. Ponky also doesn't feel remorse. It is simply the fear of Bani's anger not repentence of doing such a horrendous crime. They weren't 10 years old who did not know the concept of consent or the concept of right and wrong. I agree there are grey shade but there is even a line after which Grey becomes black. To stop before that line is called being grey.

4. Daksh, Tapish and Pawan aren't 100% evil. I agree. It is the same. They are bound to follow Balwant's orders because he's the head. He's the one who gives them the power and luxury of being who they are. Being at the top. Cheels are powerful because they live in groups. They have that unity. Wolves are apex predators because they hunt in packs. Each of them have each other's back in an attack. If one of the wolves goes lone, they are an easy target to the lion to kill. A single hyena, no matter how strong his bite is, can be easily killed by a lion or a lioness but when it comes in a pack, the lion has no chance but to back off, leave his own hunt if needed to save its life. Tapish, Daksh and Pawan are in no condition to leave their pack and be on their own.

5. Shukla is definitely at the top for being the one who should die. He neither does have the wish to keep the family safe nor does he wish to destroy the family on a whole. His loyalties lie to himself. He's a part of the pack only so that he has a way to escape alive if the Naag attacks them. He knows that he can run back to the Singhania as long as they don't find out about his act. They're his safe spot. He's like that "Jis thaali mein khaate hai usmein hi chhed karte hai" kind of person. He's can't remain loyal to anyone. When his purpose serves, he'll leave Markaat too. Hence, he's nothing but a pawn to Markaat.

As I expected

Ponky settle for one the "Omg girls" The one hand who he's holding.

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Originally posted by: Manoshono

No girl deserves rape and death regardless of her past. Monil did that wahiyat harkat, he got what he deserved. There is no second chance to redeem anything like that. Ponky is next in line for sure and I don’t care for him anyways.

We don’t know how makers are planning to bring out this track. Tapish remaining quite while letting his family do girl trafficking seems to be equally responsible. But who knows, the writers might end up showing him not so much involved with it. Like they may show Tapish helping those girls escaped before Bani came in. Depending on the writers. Because he never seem to be too interested in any of the illegal family business his dad does. He did it because papa cheel compelled him to do. Daksh ka I don’t know. We haven’t seen what kind of stupidity he has been doing. He did misbehave with Meera because morni forced him or did some jadoo tona.

I really want that the will turn one or two cheels into positive character. As tapish has shown least involvement in any other wrong doings except that business. I really hope makers will turn him positive. Because achy burey log harr jagaa hoty hain. Cheels main bhi Achy hoon kuch kharab hongy.