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Posted: 6 years ago
#21
Bear with me here.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Mahirji is like a 17 year old in love for the first time. Like the control over the muscles analogy, he absolutely has no control over these feelings and emotions especially during any sort of physical/psychological crisis.He isn't doing it intentionally, he is being controlled by them. He has completely skipped that part of our lives, teenage to early adulthood where we experience certain attractions, attachments and heart breaks. He is going to learn them the hard way. Right now everything has happened to him in a very short period of time, he has been bombarded with multiple emotions, feelings, fears back to back. He didn't get sufficient time to digest these, right now he is a live wire. He is showing acute mood swings, disproportionate reactions and hyper reflexes. He is high on emotions. On top of that the fears and his own insecurities are making the kid desperate. Don't underestimate fear, they push us to do things so out of character that sometimes we surprise ourselves. We all have done it, may be for different reasons, at different ages.

I'm absolutely not denying his inbuilt possessive streak, which he definitely has, but he is displaying second stage of love. He has been showing signs of attachment and possessiveness.This is text book case. He will gradually cross over towards next stages but he is going to take his own sweet time. Right now he is exhibiting a mate's reaction to his position and place being threatened by another person. It's very primal.

That being said he is educated, liberal, loyal and very broad minded but he is a man who has it ingrained it into his soul that a man HAS to provide and protect family and friends, now imagine to what extent he will go for his mate.
And he has fallen in love with a woman who is polar opposite of what classic woman represents. She is no damsel in distress, she pretending to be one to catch his eye. But what attracted him the most is this, she being totally opposite of what he expected and what he can provide. That is what allured this man. The heart wants what it cannot have. There were and are many women who would love to be his damsel in distress. His recent reactions are only going to pinch women, who don't fall in this classic category. All women are different, they expect different things from their spouse, depending on their own personality types,age, experience and other circumstances.Bela herself has snapped at him for this same reason. There is one fine line between being a mcp and what he is portraying, it's a very delicate balance.
I'm waiting to see (apart from the initial heart break) how he reacts when it finally dawns on him that this a woman who rules a clan and fights with her life on her palm every fortnight!

P.s I'm still on the way back home, couldn't go in detail.
P.p.s I love engaging into this with you, no question of humouring.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: fibrinogen9

Bear with me here.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Mahirji is like a 17 year old in love for the first time. Like the control over the muscles analogy, he absolutely has no control over these feelings and emotions especially during any sort of physical/psychological crisis.He isn't doing it intentionally, he is being controlled by them. He has completely skipped that part of our lives, teenage to early adulthood where we experience certain attractions, attachments and heart breaks. He is going to learn them the hard way. Right now everything has happened to him in a very short period of time, he has been bombarded with multiple emotions, feelings, fears back to back. He didn't get sufficient time to digest these, right now he is a live wire. He is showing acute mood swings, disproportionate reactions and hyper reflexes. He is high on emotions. On top of that the fears and his own insecurities are making the kid desperate. Don't underestimate fear, they push us to do things so out of character that sometimes we surprise ourselves. We all have done it, may be for different reasons, at different ages.

I'm absolutely not denying his inbuilt possessive streak, which he definitely has, but he is displaying second stage of love. He has been showing signs of attachment and possessiveness.This is text book case. He will gradually cross over towards next stages but he is going to take his own sweet time. Right now he is exhibiting a mate's reaction to his position and place being threatened by another person. It's very primal.

That being said he is educated, liberal, loyal and very broad minded but he is a man who has it ingrained it into his soul that a man HAS to provide and protect family and friends, now imagine to what extent he will go for his mate.
And he has fallen in love with a woman who is polar opposite of what classic woman represents. She is no damsel in distress, she pretending to be one to catch his eye. But what attracted him the most is this, she being totally opposite of what he expected and what he can provide. That is what allured this man. The heart wants what it cannot have. There were and are many women who would love to be his damsel in distress. His recent reactions are only going to pinch women, who don't fall in this classic category. All women are different, they expect different things from their spouse, depending on their own personality types,age, experience and other circumstances.Bela herself has snapped at him for this same reason. There is one fine line between being a mcp and what he is portraying, it's a very delicate balance.
I'm waiting to see (apart from the initial heart break) how he reacts when it finally dawns on him that this a woman who rules a clan and fights with her life on her palm every fortnight!

P.s I'm still on the way back home, couldn't go in detail.
P.p.s I love engaging into this with you, no question of humouring.

Fibby ... Fibby... I don't find any words to appreciate u yaar..👏.. ur understanding level is like something else... Totally loved it yaar..
U can make a new topic yaa😃
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Posted: 6 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: fibrinogen9

Bear with me here.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Mahirji is like a 17 year old in love for the first time. Like the control over the muscles analogy, he absolutely has no control over these feelings and emotions especially during any sort of physical/psychological crisis.He isn't doing it intentionally, he is being controlled by them. He has completely skipped that part of our lives, teenage to early adulthood where we experience certain attractions, attachments and heart breaks. He is going to learn them the hard way. Right now everything has happened to him in a very short period of time, he has been bombarded with multiple emotions, feelings, fears back to back. He didn't get sufficient time to digest these, right now he is a live wire. He is showing acute mood swings, disproportionate reactions and hyper reflexes. He is high on emotions. On top of that the fears and his own insecurities are making the kid desperate. Don't underestimate fear, they push us to do things so out of character that sometimes we surprise ourselves. We all have done it, may be for different reasons, at different ages.

I'm absolutely not denying his inbuilt possessive streak, which he definitely has, but he is displaying second stage of love. He has been showing signs of attachment and possessiveness.This is text book case. He will gradually cross over towards next stages but he is going to take his own sweet time. Right now he is exhibiting a mate's reaction to his position and place being threatened by another person. It's very primal.

That being said he is educated, liberal, loyal and very broad minded but he is a man who has it ingrained it into his soul that a man HAS to provide and protect family and friends, now imagine to what extent he will go for his mate.
And he has fallen in love with a woman who is polar opposite of what classic woman represents. She is no damsel in distress, she pretending to be one to catch his eye. But what attracted him the most is this, she being totally opposite of what he expected and what he can provide. That is what allured this man. The heart wants what it cannot have. There were and are many women who would love to be his damsel in distress. His recent reactions are only going to pinch women, who don't fall in this classic category. All women are different, they expect different things from their spouse, depending on their own personality types,age, experience and other circumstances.Bela herself has snapped at him for this same reason. There is one fine line between being a mcp and what he is portraying, it's a very delicate balance.
I'm waiting to see (apart from the initial heart break) how he reacts when it finally dawns on him that this a woman who rules a clan and fights with her life on her palm every fortnight!

P.s I'm still on the way back home, couldn't go in detail.
P.p.s I love engaging into this with you, no question of humouring.


You have to bear with me too... 😆

I get that Teenager-in-love Mahir got unlocked and it's an emotion that threatens to subsume everything of him. He fought to keep it under control, but he just can't do it anymore and he is willfully letting the emotion control him to the extent that small turbulence in it would send him to pieces. But how can it change his core personality? We all know, we are born or raised into certain qualities which no matter what does not change. They come out in the form of our involuntary reactions or response to a sudden development. Mahir is practical, observant, stubborn, hasty but fair and self-preservative.

Infact, he is highly self-preservative(emotionally). He has time and again mentioned he doesn't play with emotions nor he lets anyone play with his. He even told Bela, " I've kept my heart at your feet, not my self-respect". See, there were logical boundaries he drew, even in love. That's what Mahir always was, practical, in any situation!!!

Just last week he was saying,
" I will not invade your privacy, but I'll keep an eye on you, just to be sure you are safe."

^He respects everyone's privacy and knows the importance to draw lines even in his closest bonds!!!
Even with Bela when he knew he was in love with her, he was ready to set her free because that's what he assumed she wanted.He loved her, respected her, gave her space. He respected himself(love him for that!) , been fair towards his own emotions and played fair and square.

He is madly, completely in love with her but even then he has put his " Main sab theek kar doonga" and " I'll handle it" on back-burner because he trusted Bela can handle it, if she wants to handle it, as she said so. That's quite accommodating and understanding on his part, to control his default settings to 'handle' everything!
This has gone for a serious flip once Bela made her feelings evident.

How can this guy simply vanish, so suddenly?

His behavior, right now, is it transient? Or a dormant personality has come out?

His ability to " Let Go" earlier proved his unconditional love towards Bela. But, right now, I see conditional love.

There was one moment very early into the show, that made the biggest impact of what Mahir is to me,
When Yuvi-Bela were getting married 1st time around, Sumi was confiding her fears about Yuvi and Bela. He said, "As long as no one is doing it under pressure and are consenting, it shouldn't matter."
He knows where to draw lines, where to keep head down, where to poke nose and when to stop. It can't be a facade?!

What am I missing? Witnessing a less savory aspect of his personality or he is going through a temporary emotional crisis?


@p.p.s: ❤️🤗 It's mutual.
Edited by crusty - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: crusty


You have to bear with me too... 😆


I get that Teenager-in-love Mahir got unlocked and it's an emotion that threatens to subsume everything of him. He fought to keep it under control, but he just can't do it anymore and he is willfully letting the emotion control him to the extent that small turbulence in it would send him to pieces. But how can it change his core personality? We all know, we are born or raised into certain qualities which no matter what does not change. They come out in the form of our involuntary reactions or response to a sudden development. Mahir is practical, observant, stubborn, hasty but fair and self-preservative.

Infact, he is highly self-preservative(emotionally). He has time and again mentioned he doesn't play with emotions nor he lets anyone play with his. He even told Bela, " I've kept my heart at your feet, not my self-respect". See, there were logical boundaries he drew, even in love. That's what Mahir always was, practical, in any situation!!!

Just last week he was saying,
" I will not invade your privacy, but I'll keep an eye on you, just to be sure you are safe."

^He respects everyone's privacy and knows the importance to draw lines even in his closest bonds!!!
Even with Bela when he knew he was in love with her, he was ready to set her free because that's what he assumed she wanted.He loved her, respected her, gave her space. He respected himself(love him for that!), been fair towards his own emotions and played fair and square.

He is madly, completely in love with her but even then he has put his " Main sab theek kar doonga" and " I'll handle it" on back-burner because he trusted Bela can handle it, if she wants to handle it, as she said so. That's quite accommodating and understanding on his part, to control his default settings to 'handle' everything!
This has gone for a serious flip once Bela made her feelings evident.

How can this guy simply vanish, so suddenly?

His behavior, right now, is it transient? Or a dormant personality has come out?

His ability to " Let Go" earlier proved his unconditional love towards Bela. But, right now, I see conditional love.

There was one moment very early into the show, that made the biggest impact of what Mahir is to me,
When Yuvi-Bela were getting married 1st time around, Sumi was confiding her fears about Yuvi and Bela. He said, "As long as no one is doing it under pressure and are consenting, it shouldn't matter."
He knows where to draw lines, where to keep head down, where to poke nose and when to stop. It can't be a facade?!

What am I missing? Witnessing a less savory aspect of his personality or he is going through a temporary emotional crisis?


@p.p.s:❤️🤗It's mutual.



But how can it change his core personality? We all know, we are born or raised into certain qualities which no matter what does not change.

Exactly, now do how you determine what is the core personality? How you behave in your natural habitat and domain or how you react under crisis and stress?
How we react with our family and friends or how we react in private relationships where we strip ourselves totally naked to a point we become vulnerable.

Infact, he is highly self-preservative. He has time and again mentioned he doesn't play with emotions nor he lets anyone play with his. He even told Bela, " I've kept my heart at your feet, not my self-respect". See, there were logical boundaries he drew, even in love. That's what Mahir always was, practical, in any situation!!!

And how many times has he followed up on his words? Yes he did say all these things, how many times did he back up these statements with actions?
He has shown extreme reactions, he has functioned on "all or none phenomenon
Either he wants all in or he is going to drop the whole thing.


^He respects everyone's privacy and knows to draw lines even in his closest bonds!!!
Even with Bela when he knew he was in love with her, he was ready to set her free because that's what he assumed she wanted.He loved her, respected her, gave her space. He respected himself(love him for that!), been fair towards his own emotions and played fair and square.


Has his reactions to others been similarly proportioned as they are towards bela? He was willing to set her free? Was that his first reaction?
Didn't we catch a glimpse of his primary reaction?
At that point he was unsure about her feelings. He himself wasn't sure about his own feelings, suddenly the intrusion happened and his calm shattered.He assumed she loved Rehan.

He is madly, completely in love with her but even then he has put his " Main sab theek kar doonga" and " I'll handle it" on back-burner because he trusted Bela can handle it, if she wants to handle it, as she said so. That's quite accommodating and understanding on his part, to control his default settings to 'handle' everything!
This has gone for a serious flip once Bela made her feelings evident.


The "I will handle it and main sab theek kardunga " are only out of his words, did he stop his actions. Isn't he smart and observant enough to understand what pisses her off? He got that long time back, so he has changed his tactics. He has obviously understood, to be on her team he has to be a partner and not sole caretaker. This absolutely doesn't mean he doesn't trust that she can't or isn't able to take care of herself, this is his nature, his personality which he and we got to see only after he allowed himself to be vulnerable emotionally. His childhood trauma has blocked him from getting too close to people, his majority of self preservations have come to life through his childhood fears.
Like you said, true personality can only be reigned in, it can't change.
He has identified more with his mother than his father. He fears what happened to his mother can happen to him. Before marriage his first fear was to never become like his father. After falling in love his fear has become about not suffering the fate of his mother. His past and his parent disastrous marriage have impacted his view on love.

His ability to " Let Go" earlier proved his unconditional love towards Bela. But, right now, I see conditional love.
At risk of sounding a total boring and unromantic person, I don't necessarily agree with the "unconditional love concept. The closest thing to this is only maternal love, every where else some expectations do leak in, it's only humane. Unconditional love is like suffocating misconception of perfection, it doesn't exist. We are human at the end of the day.

In the past also, after claiming to not have any expections, he drove himself and us crazy within 48 hours of making those claims over Rehan! That was in the very initial stage. Now you can go ahead and multiple that by 12.


There was one moment very early into the show, that made the biggest impact of what Mahir is to me,
When Yuvi-Bela were getting married 1st time around, Sumi was confiding her fears about Yuvi and Bela. He said, "As long as no one is doing it under pressure and are consenting, it shouldn't matter."
He knows where to draw lines, where to keep head down, where to poke nose and when to stop. It can't be a facade?!


The moment he said those lines, I kid you not, I knew time was going to make him eat his words back. The most confident people are the ones usually more insecure, the most mature people are the ones usually more juvenile, the most realistic people are ones who are filmi at heart.
Because they have preserved themselves for a long time and from many factors, when the right button is pressed everything flows out at a very high velocity from every possible direction.

How many times haven't we witnessed him claiming that behir marriage was mutual. Yes, it was by the end. Did it honestly start that way?
Did he really discuss it with her and asked for her consent before sitting down at mandap? Didn't she catch him? Later everything was sorted ?
But he always says it was mutual, as if it started that way, what if she had not caught his glimpse before rituals?
We know the behind the curtains story, sure, but for him, this wasn't expected.

Was the divorce discussion mutual? Had both parties given same chance to put their word on the table?

Was the pregnancy preparations mutual? Did he listen to her all along or did she have to take drastic steps to prove?

Majority of the time, the decisions were one sided. Gradually he is learning to incorporate other person into this.




@Keerthija thanks for the kind words🤗
Edited by fibrinogen9 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Fibby, that was fabulous. And you got me 90% there. Rest, I'll edit after today's episode. There is lot to say.


But, I'll address two points for the time being,

Unconditional love as in not the literal definition of it. It was very broad, spacious and shining - Mahir's love - suddenly it seems to have gone and sat in a little hole bundled up to itself. You get what I mean?!


"He has identified more with his mother than his father. He fears what happened to his mother can happen to him. Before marriage his first fear was to never become like his father. After falling in love his fear has become about not suffering the fate of his mother. His past and his parent disastrous marriage have impacted his view on love."

^ THIS! Root cause! Will it ever be addressed explicitly?! It needs to be addressed for him to drop the baggage a little and move forward, for his own self.


I'll put a blunt question, Is Mahir becoming a better human being in love or is he losing some and gaining some?!


Rest, I'll come back and edit! I wanna save both our energies for the LU n episode :)


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: crusty



Fibby, that was fabulous. And you got me 90% there. Rest, I'll edit after today's episode. There is lot to say.


But, I'll address two points for the time being,

Unconditional love as in not the literal definition of it. It was very broad, spacious and shining - Mahir's love - suddenly it seems to have gone and sat in a little hole bundled up to itself. You get what I mean?!


"He has identified more with his mother than his father. He fears what happened to his mother can happen to him. Before marriage his first fear was to never become like his father. After falling in love his fear has become about not suffering the fate of his mother. His past and his parent disastrous marriage have impacted his view on love."

^ THIS! Root cause! Will it ever be addressed explicitly?! It needs to be addressed for him to drop the baggage a little and move forward, for his own self.


I'll put a blunt question, Is Mahir becoming a better human being in love or is he losing some and gaining some?!


Rest, I'll come back and edit! I wanna save both our energies for the LU n episode :)



I have so much to say to this, but like you said, post epi😉
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Posted: 6 years ago
#27
Crusty and fibby .. pls don't think i an interfering here..
IAM interfering here as I like character analysis very much...
I agree with both of u in almost all points..
But I have to say only one thing..
I know mahir has his own flaws but his love is never conditional... Pls not at all..
IAM ASKING SORRY AGAIN FOR INTERFERING HERE BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS..
SORRY SORRY SORRY FIBBY N CRUSTY...
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Posted: 6 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: Keerthija

Crusty and fibby .. pls don't think i an interfering here..

IAM interfering here as I like character analysis very much...
I agree with both of u in almost all points..
But I have to say only one thing..
I know mahir has his own flaws but his love is never conditional... Pls not at all..
IAM ASKING SORRY AGAIN FOR INTERFERING HERE BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS..
SORRY SORRY SORRY FIBBY N CRUSTY...


Sorry kyun yaar, you are most welcome to say whatever you want to! Please feel free! This Mahir Sehgal is perennial hot spring in providing for discussion. Dekhte hai aaj kya gul khilata hai...
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Posted: 6 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: Keerthija

Crusty and fibby .. pls don't think i an interfering here..

IAM interfering here as I like character analysis very much...
I agree with both of u in almost all points..
But I have to say only one thing..
I know mahir has his own flaws but his love is never conditional... Pls not at all..
IAM ASKING SORRY AGAIN FOR INTERFERING HERE BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS..
SORRY SORRY SORRY FIBBY N CRUSTY...

I'm gonna take the liberty of talking on behalf of crusty too here.

First, stop apologizing, we are here to have fun and enjoy together, we are all in this together hun. There is no question of interference, in fact inputs make us analyze from every possible angle! The more the merrier😆

Secondly we are not judging mahirji, obviously we both love him too, to an extent where we are taking time and energy to discuss him in detail😆 few things about latest episodes have left a bitter aftertaste, we are just trying to cleanse our palates!

Thirdly, there is no clear cut conditional and unconditional love, it's not black and white, there are many shades of grey too. Let's go in detail post Lu. I want you to feel free to say/comment/even criticize whenever you want to if you don't agree. Absolutely welcome🤗
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Tq so much crusty n fibby🤗

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