Round 4: Shreya Ghosal - Page 2

Originally posted by: brahmabul

@SSK

I have been patiently reading all your comments. One observation of mine which I want to tell here.

You gave Mere Dholna a perfect 10 which never got nominated at any major award function.
You gave a 8/10 to Bairi Piya which got nominated in Filmfare and won a National Award for Shreya.

So basically you are also questioning the decision of the jury who as you say judge for their living. And when we question HR's best singer award in 2005 you tell us that who are we to judge when the esteemed jury who judge for living has made a decision.

Again lets keep HR out of it. The only thing I want to say to you is 'Awards may be one but they are never the best judge of a singer's capability' There are lot of good songs which go completely unnoticed at awards. Mere Dholna of course is one of them as your points prove and I am not questioning that becuase this song is truly great.

Actually it got nominated for IIFA, which I also pay a lot of attention too, and I think she won awards for it for smaller functions. But anyways....

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Award winning song is not automatically better than a non-award winning song....which is the equivalent of what I've said, that Award Winnning Singer is not automatically better than a non-award winning singer.

Nonetheless, it is an argument and support.


BUT....an Award Winning Song deserves respect and should automatically be considered an elite performance....Once again, the equivalent of an award winning singer, should automatically be considered an elite singer...


So I still stand by what I have said. It's possible that a non-award winning song/singer could be better than an award winning song/singer. Nonetheless, the award winning song/singer are still elite.

Wah!

Thanks brahmabul for bringing up the topic. Now I fully understand what ssk means/believes.

@ssk: So there may be better singing peformances (in a given year) than the award-winning performance. BUT the award-winning performance (which may not have strictly been 'the best') still deserves respect for being up there. Am I right in thinking this is your POV?

Award winning song is not automatically better than a non-award winning song....

This is where I don't like these awards. When they say awards are given to the best then why give it to a song which was not the best. Just wonder how the other singer might feel if he/she knows that he/she was best but still did't get the award after so much hard work. Don't you think this will be demoralizing for that singer?
You only gave Bairi Piya a 8/10. And that song got a National award. There must have been a much better song which deserved the National award that year. So it means judges are biased. Then why to follow such awards where judges are biased and the best is not awarded.

BUT....an Award Winning Song deserves respect and should automatically be considered an elite performance....Once again, the equivalent of an award winning singer, should automatically be considered an elite singer...

Agree with the first part but again disagree with the second part.

10/10
awesome singing by Shreya
a breathless performance

Originally posted by: xobile

Wah!

Thanks brahmabul for bringing up the topic. Now I fully understand what ssk means/believes.

@ssk: So there may be better singing peformances (in a given year) than the award-winning performance. BUT the award-winning performance (which may not have strictly been 'the best') still deserves respect for being up there. Am I right in thinking this is your POV?

Yes that is correct. You just understood I have been trying to say this? I've said this SO many times now...

And Not just deserves respect for being up there, it deserves a lot of respect. And without a doubt is great as well.

Originally posted by: brahmabul

Award winning song is not automatically better than a non-award winning song....

This is where I don't like these awards. When they say awards are given to the best then why give it to a song which was not the best. Just wonder how the other singer might feel if he/she knows that he/she was best but still did't get the award after so much hard work. Don't you think this will be demoralizing for that singer?
You only gave Bairi Piya a 8/10. And that song got a National award. There must have been a much better song which deserved the National award that year. So it means judges are biased. Then why to follow such awards where judges are biased and the best is not awarded.

BUT....an Award Winning Song deserves respect and should automatically be considered an elite performance....Once again, the equivalent of an award winning singer, should automatically be considered an elite singer...

Agree with the first part but again disagree with the second part.

If someone thinks the award winning performance is better even when I don't think so, I'll still have great respect for their opinion because it is well supported. Even if I don't agree, I will still say it's a strong and respectable opinion. And 8/10 is a really good score, I was kind of being harsh on Shreya because I know I've heard better from her. So there was a bias that played in to that, a bias that would not have been there had it been 2002 because I wouldn't know how she sounded in 2010 in 2002....

Also, just wanted to remind everyone...when awarding playback singer of the year, how hit the song was, is definitely a criteria...Is that a good criteria? Arguable. But it's parallel to Actors of the Year, they always need to be in a hit movie at least to be in consideration for the Actor of the Year. In a way, the singer and actor both can make their songs hit through their singing. So how big of a hit the movie or song is definitely depends on both the actor and the singer.

So I'm just saying, that the playback singer of the year is not always given to the best singing performance. It values singing and how big hit the song was.

Originally posted by: brahmabul

Award winning song is not automatically better than a non-award winning song....

This is where I don't like these awards. When they say awards are given to the best then why give it to a song which was not the best. Just wonder how the other singer might feel if he/she knows that he/she was best but still did't get the award after so much hard work. Don't you think this will be demoralizing for that singer?
You only gave Bairi Piya a 8/10. And that song got a National award. There must have been a much better song which deserved the National award that year. So it means judges are biased. Then why to follow such awards where judges are biased and the best is not awarded.

BUT....an Award Winning Song deserves respect and should automatically be considered an elite performance....Once again, the equivalent of an award winning singer, should automatically be considered an elite singer...

Agree with the first part but again disagree with the second part.

I don't think she didn't deserve the award for Bairi Piya.
Jury actually made the right decision.
When people talk about Bairi Piya, they say Shreya Ghoshal's 'Bairi Piya', not Shreya and Udit's 'Bairi Piya'.
A 16 year old entered the industry and stood out in the movie despite the presence of so many veterans. It could also be a welcome or motivation by the jury; encouraging her to keep working.

Also, I have seen many performances but haven't heard anyone sing the song the way she has.

@SSK
So I'm just saying, that the playback singer of the year is not always given to the best singing performance. It values singing and how big hit the song was.

Ok we will not argue any further. I respect your opinion but I don't abide by this statement of yours. When they say awards are given for the excellence in cinema honouring the best in a particular year, then they should be given to only the BEST.

Originally posted by: simran_ild

I don't think she didn't deserve the award for Bairi Piya.
Jury actually made the right decision.
When people talk about Bairi Piya, they say Shreya Ghoshal's 'Bairi Piya', not Shreya and Udit's 'Bairi Piya'.
A 16 year old entered the industry and stood out in the movie despite the presence of so many veterans. It could also be a welcome or motivation by the jury; encouraging her to keep working.

Also, I have seen many performances but haven't heard anyone sing the song the way she has.

There are different awards for encouragement like the RD Burman Award. Giving a National Award is too big a honour and injustice to other singers who were more deserving than Shreya in that year.