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Posted: 13 years ago
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the first time he made a loss in spending more for the hamlet bearers was enough for IMV to gauge the woman was potentially threatening his regime.. and he just couldn't risk the future of his legacy..

There u go . U put it in a nutshell .

Long ago I read a book ...not a literature one but more on the modes of a bestseller ...called .The Rich Are Different . The title struck me and I read it .

I realised as I finished it that this upwardly snobbish statement indeed had lots of meaning .

When you have tremendous money ...managing it becomes one big responsibility . Its like managing a kingdom . A king cannot take any decisions that suit his whims . He HAS to take decisions that benefit his kingdom . Whether it is his marraige , a policy decision , going for war ...procreating an heir . It is done keeping the kingdom in mind .

Vaibhav was no ordinary man , he was the heir of one such legacy . His life partner HAD to be one that would BENEFIT him , not suck him dry or deviate him from his goal .

Vaibhav claims he learned Dosti from Sabina . The gola sucking and sweet sucking came AFTER she got a good deal for HER purpose . She secured maximum profit for the basti wallahs and he got a kind of loss . IMV commented on it .It was NOT good business . He got carried away by the woman and ended up giving them more than he ideally shud have as a businessman .

This is NOT how business is done . His very first interaction with Sabina resulted in GHAATA for Vaibhav .

The sweets and golas were sucked AFTER that , and I hardly call that DOSTI .

Vaibhav's claims of learning humanity from Sabina r equally ridiculous . His mother ...a most noble and compassionate woman was indulging in humane causes for years before Sabina walked in his life for a measly one month .

IMV chose Devki for a number of complex reasons . But the primary one was that she also had a flair for business . He visualised her by his son's side , running his business empire shoulder to shoulder , and expanding it to international horizons . Since IMV was an exceedingly sharp businessman , he knew when to spot one when he saw one .

And IMV was not wrong .

Today ALL r saying IMV is the villain , IMV is a beast , IMV did wrong . Just look at his choice , Devki . Was it wrong ?

All in Virani family blame IMV . Why ? It stuns me . For wanting the best for his son ?

Look at the end result of his choice and his implemantation of it . He chose a gem like Devki . Look at his parakh of human beings .

Let us keep the religion aspect and elder in age criteria aside for a moment and simply ask THIS question ...why would a man be happy or delighted that his son was marrying the daughter of a woman who posed for po*n magazines or videos ? Would we ? Its not even a case of being judgemental here . I am merely asking about a natural reaction . If I am in a position where I can pick and choose , why would I happily consent to my child marrying a film actress who was linked with 3 directors and whose mom had posed for po*n mags ? Would I like those sanskaars to come in my family ?

Comparing Sabina's mother to Dali is absolutely rubbish . Dali's alcoholism is a disease that got out of hand . Posing for sex po*n is a choice made for money ...fast money . One can reason and say its MAJBOORI but we see many people who fight with tough battles yet do not resort to prostitution or this life .

Devki had CP as a mother and later was taken away by BB . She did NOT live with Dali ...she was kept away from him , as far as possible .

Master was way out of line when he made that comparison .

The neurotic mess that Vaibhav becomes around Sabina ...wanting to hit journalists and all those who touch her ...why would IMV want this life for his favorite son ?

So WHAT if he told him he loved her in just one month ?

Its so So ridiculous .

All these silly people ...Baa , Master , Sid , doing Sabina Sabina as if it was a great event in Vaibhavs life ...r they honestly for REAL?
They r practically speaking stupid robots who would have given permission to ANY girl Vaibhav would have brought by clapping hands and saying Woweee ...be it a film actress whose mom acted in prn videos or a foreigner he had met abroad .

They really have no base for their thoughtless exultation over Sabina .except for the fact that she is Vaibhavs choice .

And WHY is Vaibhav supposed to be the best choice maker I fail to see . Vaibhav is a human being who can easily make a wrong choice . I have not seen these family members EVER evaluating the sagacity of Vaibhav's choice before gushing over Sabina .

I have not seen these family members ever evaluating the wisdom of IMV's choice .Devki , either .

They have just , like stupid emotional teenagers , just nodded their heads with whatever nonsense Vaibhav propogated .

Instead of doing intervention as a FAMILY and pulling Vaibhav up for disrespecting his marraige and getting out of hand , these family members inflamed the nonsense .

I fundamentally disagree with Charu when she says the brunt of IMV's Karni is borne by the full family . IMV's karni may affect others like Jimmy , Viraj , and others . He thinks however ONLY from benefit of HIS family . His Karni is aimed at that only . Its the stupid members in the family who create chaos by not co operating with him .

IMV is the villain coz he dared to question the sagacity of Vabihav's choice and did not jump up and say I am Happy For u like those Westerners in Western Soaps .

Coz theres definetely NOTHING Indian about Baa Master And Sid . If they bless anything and everything JUST coz Vaibhav likes it , I have a poor opinion of their personalities .

Baa seems to be more interested in being a Mother Teresa of sorts . She blesses Sabina too and Devki too . Come , Both of u , lay head in my lap and weep to ur hearts content , she says . She has zero visualisation for grandsons happiness ...her power as a matriarch is wasted . Koi bhi chalegi . Vaibhav can bring a girl with syphilis ..Woh bhi chalegi . Khaali Ishvar ne jise chuna , WOH nahi chalegi .

Baa is the MOST ridiculous character in this show at this moment .

Sabinas character has question marks even today . It has not ended with her mom getting clicked for po*n photographs in her jawani , or Sabinas link ups that keep popping in press . Sabina had no reservations sharing a bedroom with a married man without letting his wife know , for days , just to prove some stupid cockamamie fib .

IMV is supposed to LOVE this .

Baa LOVES it . For her its OK to know That Sabina is sharing bedroom with a married DOST . It does not disturb her sense of sanskaars as she is extremely forward thinking it seems .

But how many Indians wud appreciate this ? Would Vickys wife ? Or her maayka ?

Sabina and her bohemian culture can never get IMV's aproval .

Master wanted to slap IMV for his deeds . But I say that Vickys wife shud have slapped Vicky and Sabina BOTH for THEIR deeds .

I say that someone shud have slapped Vaibhav for HIS deeds by now .
I say that someone shud have verbally slapped Baa for endorsing this nonsense instead of telling Vaibhav like a matured adult that what is past is past , moving ahead is life . U give Devki a chance and forget Sabina now . What ur doing is wrong , it will yield no happiness .












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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sabinas character has question marks even today . It has not ended with her mom getting clicked for po*n photographs in her jawani , or Sabinas link ups that keep popping in press . Sabina had no reservations sharing a bedroom with a married man without letting his wife know , for days , just to prove some stupid cockamamie fib .

IMV is supposed to LOVE this .

Baa LOVES it . For her its OK to know That Sabina is sharing bedroom with a married DOST . It does not disturb her sense of sanskaars as she is extremely forward thinking it seems .

But how many Indians wud appreciate this ? Would Vickys wife ? Or her maayka ?

brilliant points kools u nailed it some more points
sabina is now married to vicky (for the public)
now she will come and marry vaibhav ,what a joke ,
and imv is supposed to agree to that, agar ab sabina virani kii bahu banke aati hain toh izzat kii aur dhajjiyan udd jaayengi
exactly majority of viewers will never accept this,
baa ko toh bas khushi hain kii ishwar haar raha hain , she disgusts me these days
she did nothing when her son was slapped by bb , thrown out, insulted
what was imv fault then , anyone who says it all for love and blah blah , well then it applies to all
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Wohi toh anmol . 😆

You tell me one thing . He saw that his son did GHAATA , LOSS in the deal he did with Sabina ok . The next thing he knows is son wants to marry this woman , so he finds out about her whole life . And what does he find ? That her mom posed for po*n .

What is he supposed to feel ? HAPPY ? Tell me which good family in India would ?

Ambanis wud be happy ? Tatas wud ? Wadias would ? Forget these industrialists ...ask any middle class family . What wud their reaction be ?

Naturally he cut it at the root .

And what bad he did ? He selected an excellent girl for Vaibhav . Vaibhav ka kuch nuksaan kiya kya usne ?Did he marry Vaibhav off to some cripple , ugly , retarded rich girl ?

Who is wrong ...he or Vaibhav in being stubborn and thoughtless ?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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LMAO... I need more time.. but I just hope the points you both put forth.. of the senseless drama offends VV. .and for once he sees the family honor b4 his own khushi.. what will it do to the Virani name and brand value for a publicly declared married actor to suddenly marry a divorced in 2 months.. business heir.. and IMV is supposed to be an anarchist to think of his own welfare..

i HOPE the old VV resurfaces and says.. WHAT NONSENSE for once.. for all the mess Sabina made in her attempt of mahaanta.. of SACRIFICING their love.. what fault is it of V. ind.. in all this.. anyhow like I said Kools.. and THAT WHY I wanted you to post.. coz you bring out some things like no one else can..

will get to the details this evening.. on your thought out post..till then keep it going
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

the first time he made a loss in spending more for the hamlet bearers was enough for IMV to gauge the woman was potentially threatening his regime.. and he just couldn't risk the future of his legacy..


There u go . U put it in a nutshell .

Long ago I read a book ...not a literature one but more on the modes of a bestseller ...called .The Rich Are Different . The title struck me and I read it .

I realised as I finished it that this upwardly snobbish statement indeed had lots of meaning .

When you have tremendous money ...managing it becomes one big responsibility . Its like managing a kingdom . A king cannot take any decisions that suit his whims . He HAS to take decisions that benefit his kingdom . Whether it is his marraige , a policy decision , going for war ...procreating an heir . It is done keeping the kingdom in mind .

Vaibhav was no ordinary man , he was the heir of one such legacy . His life partner HAD to be one that would BENEFIT him , not suck him dry or deviate him from his goal .

Vaibhav claims he learned Dosti from Sabina . The gola sucking and sweet sucking came AFTER she got a good deal for HER purpose . She secured maximum profit for the basti wallahs and he got a kind of loss . IMV commented on it .It was NOT good business . He got carried away by the woman and ended up giving them more than he ideally shud have as a businessman .

This is NOT how business is done . His very first interaction with Sabina resulted in GHAATA for Vaibhav ...😆😆🤣

The sweets and golas were sucked AFTER that , and I hardly call that DOSTI .

Vaibhav's claims of learning humanity from Sabina r equally ridiculous . His mother ...a most noble and compassionate woman was indulging in humane causes for years before Sabina walked in his life for a measly one month .

IMV chose Devki for a number of complex reasons . But the primary one was that she also had a flair for business . He visualised her by his son's side , running his business empire shoulder to shoulder , and expanding it to international horizons . Since IMV was an exceedingly sharp businessman , he knew when to spot one when he saw one ....as a father point of view he is right...

And IMV was not wrong ...i agree dear

Today ALL r saying IMV is the villain , IMV is a beast , IMV did wrong . Just look at his choice , Devki . Was it wrong ?

All in Virani family blame IMV . Why ? It stuns me . For wanting the best for his son ?

Look at the end result of his choice and his implemantation of it . He chose a gem like Devki . Look at his parakh of human beings .

Let us keep the religion aspect and elder in age criteria aside for a moment and simply ask THIS question ...why would a man be happy or delighted that his son was marrying the daughter of a woman who posed for po*n magazines or videos ? Would we ? Its not even a case of being judgemental here . I am merely asking about a natural reaction . If I am in a position where I can pick and choose , why would I happily consent to my child marrying a film actress who was linked with 3 directors and whose mom had posed for po*n mags ? Would I like those sanskaars to come in my family ?...👏

Comparing Sabina's mother to Dali is absolutely rubbish . Dali's alcoholism is a disease that got out of hand . Posing for sex po*n is a choice made for money ...fast money . One can reason and say its MAJBOORI but we see many people who fight with tough battles yet do not resort to prostitution or this life ...

Devki had CP as a mother and later was taken away by BB . She did NOT live with Dali ...she was kept away from him , as far as possible .

Master was way out of line when he made that comparison ....

The neurotic mess that Vaibhav becomes around Sabina ...wanting to hit journalists and all those who touch her ...why would IMV want this life for his favorite son ?

So WHAT if he told him he loved her in just one month ?

Its so So ridiculous .

All these silly people ...Baa , Master , Sid , doing Sabina Sabina as if it was a great event in Vaibhavs life ...r they honestly for REAL?
They r practically speaking stupid robots who would have given permission to ANY girl Vaibhav would have brought by clapping hands and saying Woweee ...be it a film actress whose mom acted in prn videos or a foreigner he had met abroad .

They really have no base for their thoughtless exultation over Sabina .except for the fact that she is Vaibhavs choice .

And WHY is Vaibhav supposed to be the best choice maker I fail to see . Vaibhav is a human being who can easily make a wrong choice . I have not seen these family members EVER evaluating the sagacity of Vaibhav's choice before gushing over Sabina .

I have not seen these family members ever evaluating the wisdom of IMV's choice .Devki , either .

They have just , like stupid emotional teenagers , just nodded their heads with whatever nonsense Vaibhav propogated .

Instead of doing intervention as a FAMILY and pulling Vaibhav up for disrespecting his marraige and getting out of hand , these family members inflamed the nonsense .

I fundamentally disagree with Charu when she says the brunt of IMV's Karni is borne by the full family . IMV's karni may affect others like Jimmy , Viraj , and others . He thinks however ONLY from benefit of HIS family . His Karni is aimed at that only . Its the stupid members in the family who create chaos by not co operating with him .

IMV is the villain coz he dared to question the sagacity of Vabihav's choice and did not jump up and say I am Happy For u like those Westerners in Western Soaps ...wow

Coz theres definetely NOTHING Indian about Baa Master And Sid . If they bless anything and everything JUST coz Vaibhav likes it , I have a poor opinion of their personalities .

Baa seems to be more interested in being a Mother Teresa of sorts . She blesses Sabina too and Devki too . Come , Both of u , lay head in my lap and weep to ur hearts content , she says . She has zero visualisation for grandsons happiness ...her power as a matriarch is wasted . Koi bhi chalegi . Vaibhav can bring a girl with syphilis ..Woh bhi chalegi . Khaali Ishvar ne jise chuna , WOH nahi chalegi .

Baa is the MOST ridiculous character in this show at this moment .😡😡...i hate baa..

Sabinas character has question marks even today . It has not ended with her mom getting clicked for po*n photographs in her jawani , or Sabinas link ups that keep popping in press . Sabina had no reservations sharing a bedroom with a married man without letting his wife know , for days , just to prove some stupid cockamamie fib .😆😆

IMV is supposed to LOVE this .

Baa LOVES it . For her its OK to know That Sabina is sharing bedroom with a married DOST . It does not disturb her sense of sanskaars as she is extremely forward thinking it seems .

But how many Indians wud appreciate this ? Would Vickys wife ? Or her maayka ?

Sabina and her bohemian culture can never get IMV's aproval .

Master wanted to slap IMV for his deeds . But I say that Vickys wife shud have slapped Vicky and Sabina BOTH for THEIR deeds ...i agree dearvo & s

I say that someone shud have slapped Vaibhav for HIS deeds by now .
I say that someone shud have verbally slapped Baa for endorsing this nonsense instead of telling Vaibhav like a matured adult that what is past is past , moving ahead is life . U give Devki a chance and forget Sabina now . What ur doing is wrong , it will yield no happiness ...

hey" kool1000" once again ,i'm speechless👏..👏.👏..👏.wonderful views. "hats off" ...👍🏼.👏.⭐️..👏.👍🏼...i really want vd togather & i'm sure,it will be a beautiful combination of love & bushiness ...once again big2🤗 🤗 .lov u dear...












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Posted: 13 years ago
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People who fall in love know the agony of separation which at times can be destructive. VV is entitled to grieve the loss of his love.There are no standard times in which people should get over their loss.

It doesnt make any reasonable sense to judge S because she shared a room with VO especially knowing that it was harmless in reality, It seems boorish to judge S because of her mothers character
I am really glad to know that Baa, Sid and co are broadminded especially in this regard👍🏼

All good intentions need not necessarily end with a good result and S & VO have to face the consequence for it, but it does not hamper the purity of S integrity and the pure bond of their friendship.

We live in a world where all humans are equal whether rich or poor, black or white.

VV is unique and honorable especially because of this trait, which is lacking in IMV aand he is 110% entitled to live his life by his own choices.


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Originally posted by: sree.m

People who fall in love know the agony of separation which at times can be destructive. VV is entitled to grieve the loss of his love.There are no standard times in which people should get over their loss.Of course , but it should not get out of hand or ridiculous . One can move on without really forgetting ur love etc too . She did move on ...she went abroad for a new life . She was pretty strong and dignified about it till the end .

It doesnt make any reasonable sense to judge S because she shared a room with VO especially knowing that it was harmless in reality, It seems boorish to judge S because of her mothers character Why boorish ?😆 U and I know its harmless , how wud it look to the world or the man's wife ? If it was so natural and harmless as u say , why this great fear Vicky displayed when things came to a point of his wife knowing ? One fears only when one knows he has crossed bounds . How is playing around with Vickys marraige to protect Vaibhav's marraige justifiable in ANY way whatsoever ? Who gave Sabina and ViCky that right ? If it was so sweet and harmless why was his wife not taken in confidence ? Wud any wife in the world give permission to this rubbish natak ? Wud Vicky give permission to his wife to sleep for days in a mans bedroom just coz she was helping him out nd was her best friend ? It may sound very broad minded to term natural reactions of society as boorish and narrow , but I wud not blame Vivkys wife a bit for divorcing him.😊
I am really glad to know that Baa, Sid and co are broadminded especially in this regard There is no question of being narrow minded here . Its a FACT . One hesitates to give away a child in marraige to someione who has indulged in prostitution or acted in po*n videos . Or posed in the nude for po*n mags . One wonders what kind of culture the child must have been raised in , if it will fit in a family structure . Is one so wrong to have such misgivings ? Then thousands in the world must be wrong as they have similiar fears or worries . What is natural shud not be dismissed off as narrow minded . Often fears that look upwardly narrow minded turn out to be quite true in the long run . That narrow minde ness often has solid experience behind it . ...Our ancestors were not fools to insist on good family background when choosing a bride was advocated .

All good intentions need not necessarily end with a good result and S & VO have to face the consequence for it, but it does not hamper the purity of S integrity and the pure bond of their friendship.I don't think anyone has said that Sabina is bad at all . Sabina is unfortunate , Sabina is good personally but Sabina in my opinion is unsuitable for the life at Vaibhav Villa .

We live in a world where all humans are equal whether rich or poor, black or white. Did anyone imply otherwise ?😊 This statement however does NOT take away the right to exercise choices in the world . Sure all r equal but one rarely decides to jump in joy if son decides to marry a daughter of a strip tease dancer . One DOES have worries .No one is disputing equality of human beings but one is definetely making allowances for natural fears or worries here . In my opinion , IMV''s concerns r pretty well founded .

VV is unique and honorable especially because of this trait, which is lacking in IMV aand he is 110% entitled to live his life by his own choices.He is an integral part of that house and legacy and it will never be that simple for him . He was born with that destiny . Uneasy is the head that wears a crown . Always . His choices will have to be responsible . Its sad , but thats simply the way it will be .


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Originally posted by: sree.m

People who fall in love know the agony of separation which at times can be destructive. VV is entitled to grieve the loss of his love.There are no standard times in which people should get over their loss.

It doesnt make any reasonable sense to judge S because she shared a room with VO especially knowing that it was harmless in reality, It seems boorish to judge S because of her mothers character
I am really glad to know that Baa, Sid and co are broadminded especially in this regard👍🏼

All good intentions need not necessarily end with a good result and S & VO have to face the consequence for it, but it does not hamper the purity of S integrity and the pure bond of their friendship.

We live in a world where all humans are equal whether rich or poor, black or white.

VV is unique and honorable especially because of this trait, which is lacking in IMV aand he is 110% entitled to live his life by his own choices.



In theory I wld not be replying to your post but i am compelled to as Its my thread.. coz unfortunately our convictions have NO CONNECT...😆

on your point of mourning LOSS.. loss of what.. As I see it.. one-sided love which wasnt requited is hardly a LOSS.. that always remains.. V has lived with the impression that S never loved him.. hence you cant lose what you never had.. for SEPARATION there needs to be TOGETHERNESS.. the proposal of which was never reciprocated by Sabina.. blame the world. .but it was HER CHOICE..

No one is Judging Sabina for staying in with VO.. its her utter stupidity to ask a married man.. and his equal stupidity to respond is being questioned.. people just abuse broad-mindedness.. Parimita's modern philosophy quoted.. modernism is advancement.. not abandonment of social norms.. Although the intent was good.. VO-S living situation is a breach of social conduct.. more so from VO domestic POV.. in Ramayan Ram may have trusted Sita.. but Ram the KING was answerable to his empire... for that very breach.. as much as you would want to one CANT ALIENATE SOCIETY.. even if you do.. would you want to alienate the trust of your own spouse and child.. and cause them misery..

We live in a world where all humans are equal whether rich or poor, black or white

extremely generic statement this.. as a scientist I can pretty much show that ALL HUMANS ARE NOT THE SAME.. Equal can mean equal rights if thats what you imply.. and Am all for tht.. But this idealist statement holds less water in reality.. Equal rights may or maynot translate into equal opinion.. I am in no means going to hold equal opinion of Amartya Sen and Kareena kapoor.. altho both are rich.. from the same race.. and meet your criteria cited..

Equal rights dont translate into EQUAL value. I am obviously going to value my family more than I value ANY OUTSIDER.. as subjective as it may sound.. thats my CONVICTION and I stand for it..

the sad part about idealism is it sounds good but hardly makes a stand.. much like the statement you just provided..

An finally let me just justify relating to IMV.. much as I love equal rights.. I can not suffer fools😆 (as much of an equal human being they may be.. I just cant disregard the IQ disparity).. I may empathize with them.. and take them as special needs.. but they wont get equal treatment.. obviously not..

Case rested..
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It is boorish to Judge Sabina becouse of her mothers profession and character but you seem to imagine something else

And what is that ?

That was her choice and this is his choice, VV has a freedom to live his life by his own whims and fancies

Undoubtedly an attractive theme but Sorry I don't believe in living life according to 'whims' and fancies as u put it . Life is too precious , I wud take good advice even if it came from the Devil's mouth . For me it does not matter WHO gives the advice , what matters is the CONTENT and the sense in the advice . IMV gave V a good deal . Too bad he did not have the acumen to value it .

he is entitled to make his destiny but has no right to dictate destiny for others
I agree only here in principle . But It does not work that way in life is my experience .People r often guided or led by the more experienced ones or those in power . Its simply a fact of life .

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