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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

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s is gonna be fun.. me and you are complete ying yangs.. on the contrary.. I get Vs personal space rather easy.. IMVs arrangement is anything but personal space..😉 he is a shrewd business man.. never made bones that his matrimony was one such arrangement.. on the outset.. gave his wife everything.. but let her live with an emotional emptiness in life.. yup you are right he gave her children.. gave her..😆 as I see it.. she gave him the children.. anyhow perspectives again.

No thats ok , I totally agree with your last statement . When I said He gave her children , I meant he AGREED to a real marraige of sorts . Thats all . She may have 'given' him those children but he did his bit na .😆 U got what i meant ?😆 Was speaking factually . Both perspectives r fine by me

If u call IMV a shrewd businessman , 90% of arranged marraiges r happy business deals only . Too much is not expected in the marraiges , they simply happen . After a certain point , both , love marraiges and arranged marraiges r in the same boat . Marraige simply becomes a marraige .

IMV took dowry , invested it in business , multiplied the profits , consummated with wife , had children , did not treat her badly ...he is complex but not cruel to her , she understands that as he is complex even with his own parents . He gave her HER personal space , at a certain point grew so busy in business that they have seperate bedrooms at this age [ which happens .} Still does joint parenting with her .

Sounds very very normal to me . He may not have been the best husband but no marraige is perfect . He was okay .

But what is Vaibhav ? He is young , idealistic and 'frank" and lays cards on the table ...so ????😆 What is this new fangled on the table card laying dynamism actually fetching ?

NOTHING . Its a marraige that goes nowhere n the future coz it is not practical . Let us both be friends till I get OVER my past flame and am ready for u , perhaps i will NEVER be ready , in that case u walk out if u wish ha , months and years may pass till I touch u , but hey I am cool coz I am laying cards on the table .

It sounds cool but is in reality gobbledygook isn't it .😆😆 Its years and years of impotence , thats all . Here I don't mean physical impotence , I mean MENTAL impotence for BOTH partners .

You once said Love is greatly overhyped and I agreed . Marraige is the REAL thing and it is firmly based on practical things . Consummation , children , monetary development , companionship that happens as life races ahead . Love Bove is there in various degrees or not there at all too at times . But Marraige exists .

IMV and Charu had a real marraige . Devki and V have a filmy idea , bas . Both have no clue what a real marraige is about .

When u commit , DELIVER . IMV did . Charu knows very well LOVE may not be the cementing factor , but they had SOME REAL THING . What V and D have , thanks to V , is nothing . One must NOT marry if one wants to do this kinda nonsense after marraige , The term MARRAIGE aint joke . It is a far more serious term than 'LOVE" which can be a very transitory and fickle emotion .

I disagree [ not with u } when its said that IMV and Charu had nothing . They do . They r real husband and wife in my eyes . An imperfect marraige but a full life in which both have shared a lot unwittingly , without making a contract like V and D that yields only emptiness under big fashionable words like 'understanding' and 'friendship' and 'personal space' . 😆😆

Btw i agree abt making office the personal space by many. It is a reality , I totally agree to it . What i meant was , that term shud not be over hyped , which is typically what youngsters today do , and wonder where their marraiges fail .

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sowmya

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Interesting discussion you guys have going on here, and such in-depth analyses. Loved reading all the posts and would like to add my own two cents. I believe in personal space myself. My hobbies are my own, my friends, my pastimes, even my work is my own unless I wish to share it with anybody. And I dont believe in insisting your partner to share every aspect of his or her life either; everybody needs and should have their personal space even apart from the closest friend or sibling or parent or spouse until it has the potential to affect another person. For example, if a person A has a difficult childhood or has made some enemies in a past life; no reason to tell anybody about it if he/she doesn't wish to; even though those very experiences may have shaped his/her life. But if the enemy comes back to cause harm or distress to another person B due to involvement with A then B has the right to know about it and A has the responsibility to tell; since it is not just affecting A anymore. Same with a person who has loved somebody and committed to somebody else. As long as the person they loved is only in A's thoughts but not involved in day-to-day life, it is A's wish to share it or keep it a secret. But as soon as A's past love becomes a fixture in B's life, B has the right to know if it affects him/her and how. In this case, I think VV had no reason to tell Devki about Sabina until Devki announced Sabina would stay in the Virani house until she was cured. Not when Devki talked about releasing S's film, not when VV met her at the party, not even when they were in the hospital after the gunshot. But when VV knew Sabina would be staying in his house for an indefinite period of time, in the same house as his unknowing wife, where he would have the opportunity to see S daily and it could affect Devki in any way, he should have told her. Even if VV had not been in love with Sabina at this time, he should have still told Devki coz unpleasant truths have a way of coming out in an even more unpleasant way resulting in a mess. In this case, VV is still not over S and whether he will or will not falter does not matter. The fact is that VV loved Sabina at some point (still does), and she is now at his house with the debt of the family with her. Enough reason for Devki to know the complete truth. It doesn't matter that their's is an open marriage; it is still a marriage atleast in the eyes of the family and society. And when Devki will know the truth, she will be embarassed like hell and feel extremely foolish that the whole family and her husband, who she thinks atleast considers her as a friend hid this from her and let her act so foolishly. She would lose face, and more importantly the ability to trust.

I also think Sabina is not at fault here; not until she actually does something to lead VV on. I dont think she was mahaan; she had her reasons for rejecting VV's proposal. She did not do it so that Devki can marry Vaibhav, she did it so that her mom's truth would not be out. And she stuck to her stand, even now. You cant be casual with an ex where the relationship has had no closure. She loves him still and that is reason enough for her to be frigid with him to safeguard her own defenses. I mean, you cant be plainer than "Get real" to somebody who's trying to live in a dream. Haven't watched the latest episode yet, but from what I've understood from all your posts I'll say that Sabina should not interfere in VD marriage. They are quite capable of managing on their own, and she lost any right when she said no to marry VV. But for me actions speak louder than words, so until Sabina does something like write a love letter to VV and address it as Devki or something equally personal, she is not interfering in my opinion. She can get a fake husband if she wants, that's her prerogative. Nothing to do with VD; her intentions are still the same as earlier that she doesn't want V to be with her. If he doesn't accept her plain old NO and insists on hovering around her, she can do what she wants to stop that. If she sets up a date for VD, again okay as both VD have given her that right as a friend from the way they themselves and especially D has shown her friendship so far. If the plans backfire, she is only at fault for not being able to fathom the results of her plans. She is worldly wise maybe; and more mature than Devki but even IMV with his vast experience cannot fathom the consequence of his every plan. Every character is flawed here; even Devki who is being naive to the point of being foolish. But they all have mainly good intentions; except a few like Manhar who just pops up when there's a chance to cause IMV harm in any way.

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sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

#33

kools...too sleepy.. so will keep it short😆.. completely agree on yer reality of marriage description.. few yrs down the lines its mostly logistics.. norms and companionship😊.. i rem my boss once tod me.. u youngsters complicate matters too much... there has to be a decorum for procreation🤣 his exact words...

but then again m a completely waht rocks your boat kinda person... if living in suits ppl good enough.. if open marriage does fine.. one couple i know consciously dont want kids.. both.. they have their own reasons.. so thts d thing if both r on d same page.. they can design their married life accordingly.. VD have just had 2 months.. they were stark strangers.. put their rules on paper.. but in these 2 months itself the I... ME... is getting blurry from both ends... D acknowledges it has no emotional baggage.. V does.. now if V is aware of Ds stand lets see how he shapes his marital life.. i think baa made sense when she said every relationship takes its own course and shldnt be weighed on standards.. they may tke time to make a call.. whats d hurry... esp if both r gonna spend their whole life togetther... if not their karma awaits them elsewhr...

on tht note goodnite.. had a great time warring convictions😆

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Anmol Jain

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Posted: 14 years ago

#34

oh when i log in , sonali goes to sleep😆😆😆

yeah sonali hum ek jaisa sochte hain😃 we r a team, i dont want to thnk bad abt vv just now, he has been in his limits, and once when he has faltered, he felt extremely guilty and now he is making sure he does not do it again

kools tumhari gut feeling wrong hain koi baba baby nahin aa raha

i think vv will say gimme some time d,

and i dont think he is lusty over s, no not at all,

sabina is acting very stupid, her running from hospital was very stupid act, and i dont blame vv for showing concern , usko lagta hain isska hbharosa nahin kuch kar baithegi , s cant be trusted u know

and i dont doubr s intentions but her methods , her actions, i say she has made a royal mess and now she is trying to rectify it by bringing in a fake husband

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khamosshhh

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Posted: 14 years ago

#35

Sonali nd Kools - wow... simply wow👏

Regarding V, I don't find him at fault, simply coz he envisages his marraige simply as a deal dat both he nd D agreed upon. Yeah in d deal he got an added bonus nd tht was d friendship nd camaraderie of D, but I think he would hv been as he is, even if dat had not been der. So based on dis premise, he's being fair to D as promised. V has always been honest wid D regarding his feelings. Whn der was talk abt their marraige, V told D abt him him being in love wid sumone else nd dat she didn't love him. D being a self-respecting nd dignified person, rightly declined 2 marry V. Later due 2 family considerations, D asked V 2 marry her, wid d understanding dat it would be a compro marraige. So V nd D had their compro marraige, widout any family member knowing abt it. So whn Charu talks abt being fair 2 D, she has D being d wife of V in mind, but whn V promises Charu dat he will be fair 2 D, he has d deal in mind, which apart frm being abt VD marraige being a marraige in name only, D being part of d Virani family. V knows dat how important d Virani family is for D nd 4 him dat is wat he perceives as being fair to D! He probably would not want 2 divorce D in order 2 marry S, but maybe as Kools say, he wants 2 hv a relationship wid S, though it would be illicit...but 4 him, he sees it as being fair 2 D as well as finally having S too.😆 Abt IMV'S POTA, I seriously doubt dat, not coz V's passion 4 S is less, but coz IMV's passion for V not to hv S is will definately be more.😆

The reason he didn't reveal d name 2 D was dat S was known 2 D too...nd dat reason is still valid, so he doesn't see any reason to reveal d name now. A lot of water has flown under d bridge since d compro marraige 4 D, but as far as V is concerned their situation is d same except dat now dey r very good friends.

Yeah Kools I too had d same thought regading CP's return...where exactly did IMV see CP fitting into? As D's mother, As Bha's daughter or worse still as Dali's wife? Thn wat? Guess he hadn't thought of so far ahead.😆

Sonali u know my take on SELF...fine line between self nd selfish😉. One's SELF should be d centre of one's universe, but shouldn't become one's universe.🤣

Abt d fake husband entry, i thought maybe another fellow actor...but if he's a friend of S den wat r d chances of his not being a love wid S?😆 I sincerely hope dey don't show another triangle nd dat too within a triangle!

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#36

I agree with Sowmya's post totally . Those r exactly my thoughts and she has expressed them very well . One can have his personal space and all that but when that starts affecting his marraige , its time to take a grip and sort it out with ur partner .

I do not fault Sabina .Up to this point she has done nothing . Its V and D who r running after her and D is FORCING her to some extent . To score brownie points with her husband , D is OTT .

V and D's marraige has been affected due to S . V gave S that power . if S decides to do her bit by having a husband under V's nose and give real meaning to V and D's marraige , I wud not blast her . If V and D can interfere in her HER life and decisions inspite of her lakh no no , why cannot she retaliate . Resurging her career was their decision , bringing her here forcibly was their decision ...who is interfering in whose personal space here 😆 ? S had taken certain decisions , WHO is upsetting them ? V and D have interfered in her professional life AND personal life by now . D pushes and pushes her towards V and V wants to TALK ! But S wants NOTHING of this , she simply wants to keep away ! She had NOT gone searching for financial distributors , she was least interested in reviving her career , she does NOT wanna talk of past affairs !

Sonali said She can at the most tell V to take a hike . Thats it . But has NOT she told him to take a hike by her actions by now ? If this coldness is not telling to take a hike , what is ?😊

She HAS told him to take a hike and leave her alone . V does NOT want to do that and D is naive to the point of being foolish .

It is easy to blame the other woman . But this imperfect marraige was agreed to by V and D and the other woman does not want to do anything with them , she wants to basically be left alone .

I have no objections to live in relationships or marraiges where both spouses decide that we do not want children . But here , the institution of marraige has been used as a front to protect feelings of elders by lies . I find that hogwash . Either have no marraige , Or just a live in relationship , or a marraige in which consummation is there but children are not as BOTH mutually simply dont want them and r fulfilled without them . But whats this ?😆 Consummation bhi nahi , children bhi nahi , EMOTIONAL involvement bhi nahi , KUCH bHi nahi , and to top it the option of You can walk out whenever u feel like it ! I will bid u with a polite smile !

If V is cool coz he laid cards on the table , WHY is he lying to the elders in the house and HIDING facts about his marraige ? To protect their feelings ? I think thats bull , coz all the elders in that house r very strong individuals who can deal with ANY thing in life . They don't need ANY protection . As it is they KNOW now and r watching the card dealt out marraige with raised eyebrows .

IMV , when he decided to marry , knew what marraige entailed and gave his wife a real marraige . He did not find it necessary to reveal his love story with CP in his youth to her , but he provided well , had children , parented , had a life . He knew that he owed THAT to her as it was a marraige he was committing to . He sighed over his past flame in his private moments . I find that ok .

Vaibhav has made a mockery out of his marraige . He has not understood what marraige means and he does not know where it will head to and end and he has not once thought of D after the friendship that ensued , about how long this will continue and is it really fair to her. He has used the institution of marraige as a front for lying to others so he can have his personal space ...mooning over Sabina . Devki , who is only 23 , young and naive , thinks its wonderful and has naively gone along with it as right from the start she was attracted to Vaibhav . Now the attraction has changed to love .

What incenses me is how he has simply accepted ALL her adjustments with a polite smile , and not given her a thought . I feel he HAS taken her for granted . Hence my ire on him .

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sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: intruderfast
oh when i log in , sonali goes to sleep😆😆😆

yeah sonali hum ek jaisa sochte hain😃 we r a team, i dont want to thnk bad abt vv just now, he has been in his limits, and once when he has faltered, he felt extremely guilty and now he is making sure he does not do it again

kools tumhari gut feeling wrong hain koi baba baby nahin aa raha

i think vv will say gimme some time d,

and i dont think he is lusty over s, no not at all,

sabina is acting very stupid, her running from hospital was very stupid act, and i dont blame vv for showing concern , usko lagta hain isska hbharosa nahin kuch kar baithegi , s cant be trusted u know

and i dont doubr s intentions but her methods , her actions, i say she has made a royal mess and now she is trying to rectify it by bringing in a fake husband

😆Aaj weekend hain.. to late so aaj.. kal to class bhi nahi hoga.. yup my thoughts exactly.. if VD scene is real.. he will ask for time I am thinking.. he can't outright REJECT/THUKRAO her.. its not like he doesnt care for her and her feelings at all... yest I was watching some old scene. .CP time.. gosh tht was the best time.. and I got to tht bit where VV gets D her mom's ear ring pair made..this is a man who cares for the little things that does make her happy.. if he is the same man.. he wont disregard her sentiments completely now..

Sabina ka dost/ hubby pata nahi kya gul khilayega.. Like I imagined his will be a strong cameo.. and winning everyone's hearts types.. LOL sabse pehle line mein baa hogi usme dekhna🤣.. I can see it.. and then D.. S seva kum thi.. ab S ki pati seva hogi😆...

IMVVV come back .. we need you.. .we want you.. right now.. we want OLD MB back.. we want some fireworks.. yer evil moves back😉

P.S. waise tuney mera naya D avis dekhey.. 😉

p.p.s more I see them.. I see them as spouses inadvertently so much.. Vs tone on tum so jaana.. I'll be late.. who told you she'll wait.. and why😉😆 is that part of the deal😆.. is sitting with you while you eat away.. part of the DEAL?😉 their comfort level is wayyy beyond their arrangement per se

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#38

if VD scene is real.. he will ask for time I am thinking.. he can't outright REJECT/THUKRAO her..

I don't think its real coz

1] They showed her lying down with his photo clasped to her chest ,its a dream mostly

2] The letter and greeting r with Sabina and she locked the door and told him to go away for the night .highly unlikely that she wud open it when he came back much later

He won't Thukrao her is my gut feeling too . But he ill accept her in ANGER against Sabina . Sabina is trying to make him angry with HER .

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sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

#39

@Soumya.. very well put.. I mostly agree to you.. in terms of norms and righteousness.. but reality ..well well.. thats a different ball game.. I am glad you put in your 2 cents.. make it more often.. love it when people with discernment get together to present different angles of a scenario..

@Munira: me and you shall differ in our sense of self.. for me.. self is not the universe but the core of it.. your relationship with others is a projection of you..and if you are not at peace with your SELF.. it affects the universe you have made around you.. period..😆 and yup I buy your triangle in triangle theory (star?)😆

Also I dont think VV consciously wants an illicit relationship with Sabina knowing she is married.. he had tried to tell her that.. I know we both are married.. its just that I think for someone who is constantly living in the past.. he wants some answers to his resurgent doubts.. to suit his psyche.. and undoubtedly he is attracted to the woman even now.. so he keeps going towards her.. stupid teenaged behavior. .which she is rightly repelling.. in her own way..

@Kools: we are going in circles here..😆 I think the whole VV looking in bad light is suddenly due to Ds developing emotions towards him..they were equals in terms of fairness.. till she weaved dreams pertaining to the relationship.. and may desire more from it..

that's why I want the last scene to be real (if its Ds dream.. rather prosaic..😆) just coz I want VV to be aware of where exactly he stands in terms of his relationship with D.. his whole image of the arrangement has progressed from her end.. and to my understanding from his end too (he will never consciously take someone for granted.. the comfort level is evident there).. enough dilly dallying. time to take calls in life.. if he wants to give the relationship with D a progression or not.. no middle ground.. I dont want him to turn to D in anger and make D his rebound.. thats a shame and she deserves better.. thats why it becomes even moer imp for him to know what she feels.. so he unconsciously or consciously does NOT take advantage of her feelings.. the dignity she has kept from her end.. deserves a dignified reciprocation.. whether its plain platonic or not..

I differ on this part you mention

But here , the institution of marraige has been used as a front to protect feelings of elders by lies . I find that hogwash

Again coz twisting the society norms to suit your purpose and for the families purpose. .sounds fine to me.. again my sense of right wrong frayed😆.. my whole accountability for SOCIETY and its norms are greyish.. I am accountable to my families expectations and thats it.. and yes if our convictions dont match I will find a middle ground... why VV did not tell his family coz obv.. he cant expect them to make peace with the arrangement between him and D without thinking its unfair.. and forcing him to budge.. if you think no one forced D.. she made an informed decision.. its only now she has different expectations..

and last point. .I absolutely do not agree that VD have no mutual emotional attachment or involvement.. then again what I have seen in VD has never been of any interest to you.. so I can understand where you come from😆

P..S. I had to rub it in.. Kools popular much eh?🤣🤣 I am stumped 😆 ok moment of below the belt humor gone😆

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#40

The emotional attachment has been there , but it has only been from Devki's side . If from his side there is the clause that u can walk out when u feel like it and I will be one of the bestest , politest room mate u ever had , and will help u dutifully till u live with me but won't stop u when u go , its hardly any emotional attachment . To date its that only .

From her end I always saw it .From his end , polite , gentlemanly behaviour , but remote and aloof . Those robotic farmhouse kisses and games never impressed me as , they were exceedingly robot like .

The La La La is always and always from her end only . I saw her progression from accepting his terms , from an attracted stage to this stage where she went on falling more and more for him . He has been SAME .

The admission of Dali as sasur in public was part of the responsibility of marraige ingrained in him as per Charu's noble sanskaars ...and thats why I say that if that outburst came out of an unconscious comprehension of the significance of marraige in his young mind , it needs to be pointed out to him that theres MUCH MORE than that and he needs to think on it and not conclude ever that THIS can be a permanent arrangement . If admitting Dali as his sasur is part of the concept of marraige that HE comprehends what about the other duties of marraige? He cannot just pick and choose as per his convenience . He has to either do it ALL or simply let D go . Then he can run behind Sabina all he likes . He can confront her , follow her to foreign lands , demand explanations , demand closure ...whatever . He has both ...the money and the guts to do it .

My point : He chooses bits and pieces of marraige that are convenient to him . What is NOT convenient he rejects . Consummation is a shudder shudder as his heart beats for Sabina.So its rejected . Admission of Dali as sasur and admitting him in rehab is ok by him as he is unafraid of social sniggering , has money and is inherently large hearted . It really won't make a difference in hIS life . So he accepts that .

No , I don't criticise him coz Devki has developed feelings for him now ... his polite acceptance of all the adjustments that girl did by not dwelling on it even once and instead dwelling only on the golas and sweets he sucked with Sabina has put me off for quite some time now ...U don't just go on politely accepting things . U THINK .

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