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Anmol Jain

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Posted: 14 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: sonali.19281

S dream?🤣 dude ye to mainey socha hi nahin😆.. satyaanash.. itna glorious dream dekh sakti hain woh.. esp D in her dream was one hero.. 😆.. Nah I want it to be real.. now tht S knows.. V has to know abt D.. no other way dude..

arrey joke tha , meri wild imaginations, i think its real , if its not then its really stupid no one can dream like this😆

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sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

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everyone has different Right to information depending on what they know.. the other day.. during V and Charu convo.. how honestly did V own up.. that he had a moment of weakness and had cried in front of Sabina.. and thats why she ran away.. he felt guilty of that action.. and he TOLD HIS MOM about it.. this cant be a man without integrity..

the bottom line is every person in this show is grey and has flaws.. its going to be very easy to judge anyone.. coz Morality isn't a virture with any one other than Devki and Charu.. and even they are flawed..

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#23

Paaji🤗 teri positive atman tune mujhme transplant kar di hain kya🤣I also am on the same board with you.. regarding V.. any one who knows he is doing something wrong.. wld not have the GUTS to be HONEST About it.. right after when Devki asked him.. he did not flinch once to tell her he had gone to meet Sabina.. dil mein chor ho to he will hide it from her.. Yet he hides this fact from her that Sabina was the one he loved . 😆 Why ? Their friendship is frank and practical . He told her the reason he cud not have a real marraige with her but he won't tell the name ?😕 Why ?By now has not she earned that trust ?

As I see it , theres nothing great in telling D that he had gone to see Sabina as D wud expect that as she believes S is his friend . What V has done is most emphatically AVOID telling her that S is MORE than a friend . Why ? Answer is simple ...coz S is STILL more than a friend . Its not a thing in the past . Its haunting the present . So telling D That i had gone to see S is coz its unavoidable , it has nothing to do with wanting to be honest with her .

Kools you are driving just one point home.. he is constantly irked that Sabina is avoiding him.. and they way he said.. ek baar mujhe tumhe dekh to lene do.. can also be interpreted as.. let me assure you are doing good.. and not miserable.. its all perspectives.. how you want to see something.. if I did not question IMV trying to exercise his rights on CP against her own will.. I wont question VV either.. Why is he irked that Sabina is avoiding him ? Why should Sabina NOT avoid him ? Gimme one good reason . Why should Sabina pretend to a false friendship that does not exist when something else simmers below the surface and be a hypocrite ? Why won't HE respect her choice ? Its her choice is it not ? Uski marzi ! The argument that Sabina makes him defensive holds no base at least from my POV . Charu makes him defensive , Sabina makes him defensive and So he is doing all this is very very far fetched . He is doing it simply coz he still has the hots for her , thats all . This is MY pov .

As far as Ek baar Mujhe Dekhne do is interpreted as Let me see if ur doing good [ healthwise} ...I wud only point out the squeeze he gave her arm when she said Ur not Needed I can manage . Sure that can be regarded as a squeeze of brotherly affection then , or plain anger with zero passion .😆😆 Even the meaningful way he echoes Devki's innocent statements of How Sabina will not be allowed to leave ...and meets Sabina's startled eyes , is perhaps 'simply' said then .

If you read Mahabharat.. you can kill yourself judging every character for how weak or flawed they are.. but that will be at the cost of overlooking the grand purpose of the epic mythology..As a matter of fact I am writing on Mahabharat characters only right now .😊 There is no question of judging at all ...it cannot be that when Sabina is critiqued its not judging but when the leads are critiqued its termed as ;judging " . I admit , they r extremely good leads , one of the finest we have met till now , and I personally love Vaibhav . But whats wrong is wrong . Of course whats right and wrong can be subjective concept , but I am going by common norms . Even when IMV did it with CP i thought it was wrong only . Years and years of Charu's solid companionship had meant nothing to him and he had gone with that box of memories to jolt CP . He insulted the premise of marraige . And mind u , IMV is my favorite character , I dont spare him either .😊

I fully understand that when u love deeply , the feelings do not vanish in just one day simply bcpz of a ritual , They linger for years ...I DON"T judge anyone for that . Thats human .But what I admire is when you strike the right balance by attempting to deal with those feelings but not disrespecting the other commitments you have meanwhile made . While staying true to those feelings u shud not mess up vital commitments . V is very obviously doing that or is on the verge of doing that and hence his mother is badly rattled .

Like I said , I am not challenging anyones opinion but merely stating my own . But I wish to make one thing clear ...I do NOT exaggerate . I made these comments on V after watching quite some of his actions now . All the incidents I cited were FACTS .

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sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Kools.. your last post to me sounded like you were offended.. well that was the least of my intention..

my sense of right and wrong is rather frayed.. and comes after my sense of self (aka individuality).. I have had this discussion with Munira too.. precisely why I can relate to CP or IMV.. and why I find it hard to relate to Sabina.. coz her sense of right or wrong is too strong.. If my so called "critiquing" of Sabina (I almost always try to refrain from elaborating on things I can't relate to.. call it defense mechanism if you will) is looked upon as being judgmental.. I am guilty.. altho I have always made it clear I do not question her in any ways..

Moving on in a nut-shell I did not find IMV-CP rendezvous offensive.. just as much I still dont find Vs feelings offensive.. emotions are just that for me.. they don't fall into rights and wrong (again my idea of morality..is rather blasphemous to many).. I completely understand if you found both wrong.. we just vastly differ there.. like D said yest.. if you don't do something with your heart.. its not worth.. yup cheating your own self is a bigger offense for me.. again my colossal sense of self.. (narcissism? I dont know)

hand- squeezing scene was shown as it wld appear to anyone looking aka Charu.. if it was offensive.. Sabina wld the first one to throw his hands off her.. his voice as he told her to call him in times of need. .again to me was concern.. obv linked to how he feels for her.. but his feelings cant be insulted.. time and again.. anyhow let it go..

people have pasts.. while D had the right to know what she was getting into as per V.. such that she cld make an informed decision.. the exact details aka name of person.. how they met.. etc.. are not imp for her to know.. and in the current context.. even lesser coz that makes her doubt him and his intentions.. just as you are... who knows if she can see thro him.. she may.. but does he trust her enough to let her to that side of him.. maybe not yet. .besides the believer in me thinks he is trying to protect her from this very mirky past of his.. that has always unsettled him.. least he wants is for the past to catch up on her and destroy her peace.. for him. .she has nothing to do with it.. and better kept away. .

yes the man is being driven to an edge here.. for his standards.. but I dont think that mean he will let go of all his accountabilities.. insinuating that he will throw himself on her.. and hence is a threat to her is vastly discrediting his integrity IMO.. at the same time Is Sabina staying way coz she is highly threatened by his "passion".. I am not someone to analyze that.. coz I hardly get passion..

In conclusion.. this conversation stands closed as far as I am concerned.. before I add any more insult to injury.. you and I just see things very differently esp in a narrative as in this case😊

Edited by sonali.19281 - 14 years ago

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#25

Kools.. your last post to me sounded like you were offended.. well that was the least of my intention..

No No and No ! Have not even READ ur post till now , but Am oh so NOT offended ! Plzzz do NOT misunderstand , My manner of talking is blunt , I take zero offense at simply exchanging opinions !

Now that Is clear I am reading ur post while taking chai

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sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

#26

@Kool then😆 cheers while I sip my cold coffee.. I have a habit of offending ppl with my haughtiness.. most times too.. so i never know😉

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: sonali.19281
Kools.. your last post to me sounded like you were offended.. well that was the least of my intention..

my sense of right and wrong is rather frayed.. and comes after my sense of self (aka individuality).. I have had this discussion with Munira too.. precisely why I can relate to CP or IMV.. and why I find it hard to relate to Sabina.. coz her sense of right or wrong is too strong.. If my so called "critiquing" of Sabina (I almost always try to refrain from elaborating on things I can't relate to.. call it defense mechanism if you will) is looked upon as being judgmental.. I am guilty.. altho I have always made it clear I do not question her in any ways..

Moving on in a nut-shell I did not find IMV-CP rendezvous offensive.. just as much I still dont find Vs feelings offensive.. emotions are just that for me.. they don't fall into rights and wrong (again my idea of morality..is rather blasphemous to many).. I completely understand if you found both wrong.. we just vastly differ there.. like D said yest.. if you don't do something with your heart.. its not worth.. yup cheating your own self is a bigger offense for me.. again my colossal sense of self.. (narcissism? I dont know)

hand- squeezing scene was shown as it wld appear to anyone looking aka Charu.. if it was offensive.. Sabina wld the first one to throw his hands off her.. his voice as he told her to call him in times of need. .again to me was concern.. obv linked to how he feels for her.. but his feelings cant be insulted.. time and again.. anyhow let it go..

people have pasts.. while D had the right to know what she was getting into as per V.. such that she cld make an informed decision.. the exact details aka name of person.. how they met.. etc.. are not imp for her to know.. and in the current context.. even lesser coz that makes her doubt him and his intentions.. just as you are... who knows if she can see thro him.. she may.. but does he trust her enough to let her to that side of him.. maybe not yet. .besides the believer in me thinks he is trying to protect her from this very mirky past of his.. that has always unsettled him.. least he wants is for the past to catch up on her and destroy her peace.. for him. .she has nothing to do with it.. and better kept away. .

yes the man is being driven to an edge here.. for his standards.. but I dont think that mean he will let go of all his accountabilities.. insinuating that he will throw himself on her.. and hence is a threat to her is vastly discrediting his integrity IMO.. at the same time Is Sabina staying way coz she is highly threatened by his "passion".. I am not someone to analyze that.. coz I hardly get passion..

In conclusion.. this conversation stands closed as far as I am concerned.. before I add any more insult to injury.. you and I just see things very differently esp in a narrative as in this case😊

ok , heres my two cents , especially on ur underlined points

Emotions do not fall under right or wrong , true . One must never judge emotions . They r uncontrollable , natural and simply there . But actions CAN be classified under right or wrong . The code of conduct is laid down everywhere , on a societal level , legal level , spiritual level .

I do not condemn IMV or V for thinking constantly about their past flames . Theek hai . Yaadein aati ha aur jaati hai.

But u guys r married now and gave a commitment ...and u both jolly well need to understand that simply providing your spouses with food , shelter and clothing is not enough . They need MORE . Both , Devki and Charu . They need respect and TRUTH if LOVE in return is not possible .

IMV was gonna bring Chandru back and DO WHAT . That question has bothered me like hell . Were u gonna keep her in ur house under ur nazar ? Were u gonna meet her at BB's house on some pretext ? What were u gonna do ? He did not want her back for Devki's sake , he wanted her back for HIMSELF .

i don't believe he had even given that a thought . When ur that passionately involved with someone , u rarely do .

Same way , V wants S to open up . WHY ? What is it gonna achieve now ? Now ur married , nothing will happen , change or even give closure . Even if she does tell WHY she refused him , STILL , KUCH NAHI BADLEGA , things will ONLY and ONLY change if he decides to divorce Devki .

Which he wont do . Toh phir ye baatein dohraane se kya faida ?

She , Sabina , KNOWS this . So she prefers NOT to go into it at all . Its not insulting his emotions by refusing to acknowledge them , its purposefully and sensibly NOT entering an area where KUCH HAASIL NAHI HOGA except PAIN .

Sabina is least interested in telling about IMV and getting IMV punished by creating rift between him and V . She HAS the power but she has not USED it . Coz That won't give Her happiness nor Vaibhav happiness . Same way , acknowledging V's feelings and allowing him to talk freely about them too will achieve nothing . It will only stoke past memories , increase dissatisfaction with his current life and increase the pain .

So she chooses to come across as rigid . Someone needs to do that . IMV does that .Charu for once agrees . And S does that coz its the BEST WAY .

I don't believe he is protecting D from his murky past ...simply for the reason that his past is NOT murky at all . It was a sweet love affair in which he grew enormously interested in a lady he found very very special and it dd not work out , thats ALL . Whats there to HIDE ? It happens ALL the time ! He told this bluntly to her before marraige and all he did not do was tell the NAME , but now That person is living in his HOUSE , should not he honor marraige commitment and TELL his wife ? If that young girl cud handle such a compro marraige for so many days and yet appear cheerful , why won't she handle this fact ?

I do not believe ANYONE is driving V to ANY edge . He himself is doing it coz like IMV he is one woman man . IMV was a passionate lover and so is V . They both do NOT forget their one time love and r indifferent to their wives upwardly while unconsciously they rely a lot on them for practical things . IMV drove himself to the edge as CP pointed out to him and so is V . Just like CP did not respond , so is S not responding or encouraging him in the slightest way , its he can not let go . He wants to talk but the moment he talks he will start expecting more and more . He won't get closure , it will instead open up wounds .

Its not that I think badly of him ...That he will cross bounds etc etc . But Sabina is not there in this serial for simply coming and going .She is there to affect the story with major twists . A child is in the offing is my gut feeling .

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sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

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LOL Kools. you know how to get me to not stop dont ya😆..

agreed actions are accountable.. and with IMV also.. i was intrigued behind his reasons for forcing CP to the old world.. but then again.. when he is driven by some urge.. he really doesn't stop to see the real rationale.. obv the fact that he wanted to keep the truth from Charu was indicative that he did not want her ruining his domestic equation.. but then again.. I am not even sure he thought that hard.. he wanted to compel her to come back as Ds mom.. not for D but for himself.. whether it was for that peace he was constantly looking for.. its hard to make his ever-encompassing love for Chanda to fit in a context.. I dont know if through her he wanted to let out this imprisonment he has kept Ishwarya in.. what ultimately CP wanted to do.. to set him free.. but then its IMV.. recalcitrant no one can get him to do anything against his plan😆.. ans of the whole thing is.. too early in the story for that climax.. and am more than willing to wait.. 😉

as for V.. or even IMV.. well IMV has not given Charu any access to Ishwarya.. Baa has some access.. but inspite of knowing about CP she still cant get through to him completely.. its being protective of yourself and something that you guard pretty close.. letting your spouse into that circle is uncomfortable.. in reality.. a lot of us guard ourselves.. so I can see why V would not want D to have access to that aspect of him.. esp coz his so-called open marriage arrangement conveniently wont require it..neither does his friendship with D.. that had a separate place.. that aspect of human nature is extremely real.. I say it coz.. I have seen ppl in my own family.. and their spouses dealing with it..

reminds me of Titanic.. how Rose told her grandchild.. the man she married never knew about Jack.. he was always locked in her.. its a personal space that everyone should respect I think.. getting married doesn't give you the license for every bit of info. and in this context.. more so coz D and S know each other.. why complicate matters by telling her.. as it is acc to V the feeling is one-sided.. and till now he doesn't think he has betrayed her.. or overstepped his limits.. its funny coz I was revisiting that hand squeeze scene of yers😆.. just coz I was so focussed on Charu I dint pay attn to V.. its😆 how oblivious he was to how inapt it must have come across to his mom.. and the gall in him telling her.. but seriously it wasnt such a big deal🤣... to get a killer look from her🤣i cracked up so bad there... what a goof.. and a mess he is .. for VV to not think is so uncharacteristic...after the last VD interaction knowing Ds emotions involved with definitely make the limits more stringent now.. or it should.. unless he wants to break free

again I completely dont expect you to make sense of any of this gibberish.. but do know that no human being lets his/her complete self out to another.. no matter who.. parents.. spouses.. siblings.. friends.. thats all abt personal side.. 😉

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Hmm ,very dicey thing , personal space . If hugged too much , it inevitably destroys a marraige .

IMV's marraige is intact coz it is a marraige from that era . Inspite of the partition , the marraige survives . She weeps silently and has turned towards Guru Bhakti to maintain sanity .

If Son follows footsteps , this marraige may not survive . Devki has options .Times have changed .

There is a very thin line between demanding personal space and bringing total alienation in a marraige .

No one can define it .

Vaibhav had told Devki that each one has his personal space sphere in this house and no one appreciates the line being crossed .

Should hiding vital facts from wife be excused under the name of personal space ?

Both Father and Son did it with their spouses .

Not telling Charu about his love for CP was personal space . Letting Baa in , but not her , as he did not deem it necessary was personal space .

but Hiding from her that he was visiting HER ashram to visit the Sadhvi and pretending to be SURPRISED when CP was revealed ...it went way beyond personal space is my feeling . It would HURT Charu tremendously when she found out .

Same with V . When he saw with his own eyes how WELL Devki adjusted in the marraige , never demanded a thing , respected his personal space and only did things in HIS interest , he should have understood that the time to tell her ALL has come .

He had anyway told her half of it . What remained was the other half ...The NAME .

IMV has not told Charu that he EVER was in love . I think that can truly be called personal space . IMV did not let that affect physical intimacy between him and Charu , he gave her children and they did have some sort of a marital life .

Vaibhav has TOLD Devki of his love . What he kept out was the name as it did not matter then . But it DOES matter now as she is living in his house . Unlike IMV , V has not been able to touch D with a barge pole . He has not even WONDERED if she may want children in the future . He is perfectly content with the arrangement as it is .

I can understand IMV's kind of personal space but not Vaibhav's , as it pampers him TOO MUCH . Its him Him Him all the way . Devki gets NOTHING in the marraige . Why ? Oh Vaibhaji has NOT yet recovered from his past affair to even attempt a real marraige . Vaibhavji wants to remain like a MONK in a marraige .God knows WHEN Vaibhavji will recover to attempt consummation or give children . .😆

It happens in arranged marraiges like Sid Rajvis but not in COMPRO marraiges like Vaibhavs coz he is busy pampering his emotions . He is sighing over Sabina .

Sorry , But that angers me as a viewer .😆 Like Love , I find the word personal space greatly hyped nowdays . It sometimes makes a person pretty insensitive and cruel .

Sabina's anger upon reading that letter was precisely that . Anger at V as a woman for he did too much .

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sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

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I can understand IMV's kind of personal space but not Vaibhav's , as it pampers him TOO MUCH .

😆this is gonna be fun.. me and you are complete ying yangs.. on the contrary.. I get Vs personal space rather easy.. IMVs arrangement is anything but personal space..😉 he is a shrewd business man.. never made bones that his matrimony was one such investment.. on the outset.. gave his wife everything.. but let her live with an emotional emptiness in life.. yup you are right he gave her children.. gave her..😆 as I see it.. she gave him the children.. anyhow perspectives again..

Now coming to VD.. complete open marriage.. V laid out the grounds from day1.. and never said it was negotiable.. D was right in declining the offer as she knew she may not be able to uphold it.. good enough.. but then she caved in for family etc.. her choice.. open marriage again.. on the first night.. V gave her whats called an exit clause in most employment contracts.. the right to leave the arrangement whenever it looks like a bondage to her.. coz she is the one who will have to compromise a lot.. yup you are right any one else in today's world may or may not wanna stay in this arrangement.. due to options.. but there are loads of ppl who might coz it suits them.. 😉 as for D she defo wont walk out.. she is someone with the age old ideologies as pointed out by Sid in their recent convo.. she has been briefed up what NOT to expect in their marital life.. and has never complained.. even now when in her own words.. the foundation and premise of their marriage has changed.. she doesn't expect him to reciprocate coz he has no such obligation from her end...

now moving a lil away from technicalities and dwelling into human emotions.. inspite of a very open arrangement.. VD have found a sort of equal companionship that IMV-Charu never did.. they are equals.. they are friends.. he may or may not give her children.. and she will never have complaints from him.. coz of how he will and has treated her.. immense respect for her.. it gets even more interesting if V does find out abt Ds emotional status wrt the last scene.. he can abuse that information if he wants.. manipulate her any which way coz he knows now she loves him.. and u have insinuated already that he is manipulating her.😆.. but lets see.. in the premise of what ever they have built up in the last 2-3 months.. if thats good enough for them to stand this test.. where if he can respect her change of emotions.. and not abuse that status in any which way.. and continue to give her respect.. even mould his ideologies.. now that will be a noble man..or will he become his father.. a pseudo-husband.. who gives her every requisite but stops sharing each other's psyche.. which VD have done to a fair extent already..

for you personal space is a hype.. for my surrounding and people I meet everyday.. its a living reality.. such that a lot of ppl consider their work space their personal space away from family. .whetting their individuality.. complicated are the ways of human psyche in the neo-technical era

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