Neel Oberoi : Every Rose Has It's Thorns

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please before i make this post dont assume me being a SaJan fan is saying this .. I am just putting across my POV here.. in general being a person who is just observing this one guy

sometimes life has it's ups and downs laid across us in a truly haphazard manner , we dont know what hit us and before we know it we land with a thud by a blow made on us

Last night after Neel' open confession of his love for Gunjan now things are out there in the open, at least for Samrat, from the looks of it in the precap Samrat has not acted aggressively even after hearing from this guy that he has always loved Gunjan, who is now his girl

OK i see perhaps this as an very impulsive act made on neel' part where he spilled it and probably hence dont blame him too for it, i truly had felt sorry for him when he had said in that scene - Isse toh yeh accha hota ke tum mujhe Nahi milti Gunjan - a broken heart always gains sympathy no matter whose it is - not that i'd want thing mended for him - i cant see a bone of contention between SaJan - no matter what - as i ardently love this couple truly, madly and deeply

but the question posed by him last night where Samrat' maturity is raised as the question here ; has also made me question a few things about neel

no man is perfect - not as a human being at least - thou so far - we have seen things about neel which come across as neel' positive aspects - a success in his field, an achiever at a young age, a no nonsense guy from the looks of it - everything so far has made him look perfect - something even which GunUr discuss about him in a scene saying - the girl to have him will be truly lucky - as they compare him to SaYank

but truly is that the case ? they say every rose has it's thorns and yes so does every man has his imperfections.

Samrat isn't perfect Mayank isn't perfect ... nor can be neel .. he too is just another regular man - only thing is his flaws havent came across yet - perhaps soon they'll [ but i do hope he isnt shown as a Kekta Kapoorish Villian type of guy to highlight this part - please , dont torture us with that crap ]

i hope they highlight something anything that makes him seem real to the girls as well making him step down from the pedestal as well , cause truly there isnt a black or white in this world - it's all Grey

perhaps that grey can be highlighted in his personality via his perhaps over confidence or under confidence - Neel has loved Gunjan since his childhood in Morena days, but never could he muster probably enough courage to tell her that

next he moved out and ahead in his life , transforming from morena' neeleshwar to Mumbai' neel oberoi

last night he says to Samrat - had he not been around - he'd have went down on his knees to confess his love to gunjan.. ok

my question is why now ? what makes Neel say that to Samrat ?

Samrat wasnt even around Gunjan when as childhood friends in morena he fell for Gunjan .. he could have told her then , but he didnt - the lesson perhaps learned from this is Time & Tide wait for no man.. they certainly didnt for him - as Gunjan moved on ahead in life - of course never knowing of his one sided love for her and discovering her soul mate and the love of her life in Samrat

then isnt somehow even neel at a fault here - for being perhaps too late to confess - or thinking that he can walk in to Gunjan' life as & when he wants ?

cause on the day he learns of samrat gunjan he says i finally found you after moving around so much, but never in all these years did the thought cross my mind - that someone else could be between us

somehow doesnt that appear as some sort of over confidence - he had on his part - or may be him being too idealistic or too much of an optimistic - a quality which perhaps makes him flawed - as its said - anything in excess is bad - as he perhaps believed him being someone , something would all be what Gunjan would want & need for them to have a relationship

i mean what exactly was it that made him think and kept thinking Gunjan will be waiting for him with open arms just so that he can walk right into them even after all these years - did he perhaps think she is good enough for anyone to fall in love with her - but only he is the guy most appropriate in the aspect of appreciating her for just that - that perhaps no one else apart from him would love her ?

questions are being raised today in some counts about Samrat' maturity - but can anyone classify the term where and in which category does this term fit ?

if understanding is an issue - there' no question about it Samrat understands Gunjan better then she herself - as it was him who made her trust herself to go ahead and do this movie

if trust is a question - I doubt Sam' mind would even have that thought

and if perhaps a job - a steady source of income is the issue - then isnt Samrat still in college for that ? i mean Mayank' financial crunch has made him do his part time job as well - hadn't that been there perhaps even he would not have taken it up and focused solely on his academics instead right ? and that is not an issue for Sam there now is it ? he has enough courtesy his dad' fortune to know he can go through college without doing any of that

but no where does it imply Samrat wont do anything after that ? sooner or later - as he passes out - I am sure even he is aware of that - that there is work to be done to survive in a real world - so may be living in the moment as he is always he just wants to enjoy that - these days of his uninhibited freedom as he knows they wont live that long - is anything wrong in that ?

being able to live in the moment/ the present - not that thinking about the future is not on his mind - but should the future be so important that for it the present should be ignored ??

i dont wish neel to become a larger then life sort of character - yup so far acting wise Amit is doing a decent job at that - not overacting or hamming anything like that - i wish to see him - neel become a real character as far as possible - for cv's to show us that - like SaYank exactly he too is flawed - pick anything as his faulting - insecurity, male ego,anger ,anything like that to bring him back to reality

i wish the cv's show us exactly that - in what by far is perhaps the best cameo ever in MJHT - being done wonderfully by Amit - so kudos to him for that and yes story-wise the best track in MJHT in a very long time - after the Morena track to be precise - where a bite of reality is what's being served to us - that nothing is perfect in an imperfect world - none of us is - that at the end of the day every rose has it's thorns
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Brilliant topic ahaana...and i completely agree with you....neel is the best cameo in MJHT till date...brilliant acting by amit ofcourse,and yesterdays scene was nail bitting for sure....
but as you said every rose has its thorns.....the reason why i really like MJHT is that none of its characters are pure black or for that matter pure white even nupur and gunjan for that fact.....they all are grey....that makes the characters more realistic....
so i also want the same thing to happen to neil.....i want them to show his flaws.....one which i can already feel is shown but isnt exactly noticable..
Neil is the butt of all jokes in morena and is solely protected by his friend gunjan,so when he comes to mumbai he completely changes his personality from the pepsqueak that he is to a bully....not only mentally but also physically....he removed his glasses see...unlike gunjan or any other character of MJHT who fought with the world and made a space for them selfs AS THEY WERE!....unlike neel who changed himself to fit in mumbai....his flaw is simply the fact that he is insecure about what he really is!
i hope they show a flaw in neil,other than what ive observed,and yes i dont want the cvs to make neil entrirely black......that will be too cliched....
im hoping for the best...
and yet again good topic ahaana
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Aahana hugs for making such a wonderful topic.. i can go on writing about him as he is not as perfect as he seems to be..

Exactly Neil has been the most unpredictable character.. And hats off to CVs for getting him and Amit portraying is fantastically.. Neil is as egoist, overconfident and insecure as Sayank . Neil does have his flaws but are masked by his professionalism and straight forwardness..

Overconfident as u said that made him keep thinking that Gunjan will be waiting for him that perhaps no one else apart from him would love her.

Insecure yes if not then he would not have taken her in the film to let her know his feelings.. And even if it was professionalism, he could have said his feeling along ago... and as shruti said he did change himself to fit into the world while all others have fought for their identity he has lost it...

And egoistic yes if not then he would not have confessed his feelings to Samrat ... his ego is not ready to accept that Gunjan does not love him. I am not talking about the advice that may be for gunji happiness ..for me the advice was to more to prove himself in front of sammy as more matured and understanding ... or as better than him ...

If he was perfect and not egoistic he would have walk out of her life ones he came to know about her feelings even if meant scarifying his dream film and her .. but he still holding why? His flaws are deep and which when surface would take a shade of grey...

And with Sam as been tagged immature I agree with each and every word of yours...

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruti.nil

Brilliant topic ahaana...and i completely agree with you....neel is the best cameo in MJHT till date...brilliant acting by amit ofcourse,and yesterdays scene was nail bitting for sure....
but as you said every rose has its thorns.....the reason why i really like MJHT is that none of its characters are pure black or for that matter pure white even nupur and gunjan for that fact.....they all are grey....that makes the characters more realistic....
so i also want the same thing to happen to neil.....i want them to show his flaws.....one which i can already feel is shown but isnt exactly noticable..
Neil is the butt of all jokes in morena and is solely protected by his friend gunjan,so when he comes to mumbai he completely changes his personality from the pepsqueak that he is to a bully....not only mentally but also physically....he removed his glasses see...unlike gunjan or any other character of MJHT who fought with the world and made a space for them selfs AS THEY WERE!....unlike neel who changed himself to fit in mumbai....his flaw is simply the fact that he is insecure about what he really is!
i hope they show a flaw in neil,other than what ive observed,and yes i dont want the cvs to make neil entrirely black......that will be too cliched....
im hoping for the best...
and yet again good topic ahaana
shruti



Shruti Kudos 2 U gal wow .. what an Insight 👏👏👏👏⭐️

Bold @ yup u said it this has been shown but probably only you noticed it so once again hon i applaud u 👏👏

@ red - perfect - perfect perfect - thats the only word which came 2 my mind as i read ur post - yes his own self esteem is an issue here too - he had to change his ways 2 fit in - so perhaps a part of him still has those qualities left in him and yes so there like u said - unlike Gunjan he wasnt strong enough to face the world as he is - hence even telling her to remove her specs - u know when they came face 2 face

bravo gal u made my day there really taking me by surprise as to what can possibly shown as this guy' drawbacks answering just that 👏👏👏

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wonderful topic and i totally agree with you
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Originally posted by: aahana86


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<font size="2">Shruti Kudos 2 U gal wow .. what an Insight ⭐️

Bold @ yup u said it this has been shown but probably only you noticed it so once again hon i applaud u 👏👏

@ red - perfect - perfect perfect - thats the only word which came 2 my mind as i read ur post - yes his own self esteem is an issue here too - he had to change his ways 2 fit in - so perhaps a part of him still has those qualities left in him and yes so there like u said - unlike Gunjan he wasnt strong enough to face the world as he is - hence even telling her to remove her specs - u know when they came face 2 face

bravo gal u made my day there really taking me by surprise as to what can possibly shown as this guy' drawbacks answering just that 👏👏👏</font></font>
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gee...thanks ahaana.....i do tend to notice things that others dont.... 😊 ......and PS...i also noticed another thing...he has a big poster of himself behind his desk....samrat has it too...thats cos samrat loves himself.....but with neil i feel the thing is more about wanting OTHERS to percive neils confidence in himself......
also another thing...the reason why neil may not have ever told Gunjan what he really feels about her may also be beacuse he never expected her to have a BF the way she is.......not that he doesnt love her......but somewhere he expected her to be single as he presumes that no guy will like a simle bespecled girl like her......he expects people who were like him to become exactly like how he is as of now...hence asks gunjan to change too....
i think i cracked it..... 😊 neil DOES have greay undertones...but you dont really notice them cos they arent very obvious!
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Originally posted by: shruti.nil


gee...thanks ahaana.....i do tend to notice things that others dont.... 😊 ......and PS...i also noticed another thing...he has a big poster of himself behind his desk....samrat has it too...thats cos samrat loves himself.....but with neil i feel the thing is more about wanting OTHERS to percive neils confidence in himself......
also another thing...the reason why neil may not have ever told Gunjan what he really feels about her may also be beacuse he never expected her to have a BF the way she is.......not that he doesnt love her......but somewhere he expected her to be single as he presumes that no guy will like a simle bespecled girl like her......he expects people who were like him to become exactly like how he is as of now...hence asks gunjan to change too....
i think i cracked it..... 😊 neil DOES have greay undertones...but you dont really notice them cos they arent very obvious!



wow Shruti 1 thing after another
@ bold - ya i think thsts so u r right 😉

@ underlined - exactly my thoughts hon - as i too have posted - did he think Gunjan will be there waiting for just that for him to come and whisk her away as she would find no takers

@ blue - yes i think this is where his and Gunjan' differences are shown - he feels Samrat & Gunjan are different hence unsuited for each other - but what he doesnt realize is their external appearance has nothing to do with the wavelength of their thoughts which is exactly the same



in morena - a scene where samrat has a PDA moment with Gunjan -

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJf-9O-sQ_M[/YOUTUBE]


he says appearance is not what makes a person - it's their honesty and a smile which can appeal to others - hence he looks at the person in Gunjan beyond those glasses - cause only truly a man who has noticed her can call her eyes the most beautiful in this world 😳 as well as interpret their hidden dreams

neel will never be able 2 do that
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Originally posted by: aahana86



wow Shruti 1 thing after another
@ bold - ya i think thsts so u r right 😉

@ underlined - exactly my thoughts hon - as i too have posted - did he think Gunjan will be there waiting for just that for him to come and whisk her away as she would find no takers

@ blue - yes i think this is where his and Gunjan' differences are shown - he feels Samrat & Gunjan are different hence unsuited for each other - but what he doesnt realize is their external appearance has nothing to do with the wavelength of their thoughts which is exactly the same



in morena - a scene where samrat has a PDA moment with Gunjan -

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJf-9O-sQ_M[/YOUTUBE]


he says appearance is not what makes a person - it's their honesty and a smile which can appeal to others - hence he looks at the person in Gunjan beyond those glasses - cause only truly a man who has noticed her can call her eyes the most beautiful in this world 😳 as well as interpret their hidden dreams

neel will never be able 2 do that

guys great going ... shruti 😲 u stumped me completely .. hey need to start watching the more clearly with my eyes open.. till now i had my ears... 😆😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Aarthi hon will reply 2 u in a while am in the middle of something but thx a lot 4 ur reply
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superb post twinnie!!👏👏

gotta run now so all I am going to say is girl you rock!!🤗🤗...muah, muah!!
p.s. I think Sam-girls are out in full force now😉😆

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