*~*TAZBU (SaiShi and RaghVi) AT 17*~* Meri Duniyaa - Page 7

I went back to rewatch some of the initial episodes and you know, I can't help but wonder if ss had a different type of Raghav in mind. Farhad's dialogues in this scene implies that Raghav is a regular at these places and is kinda sorta a Casanova with some moral boundaries although I never saw Raghav going to the pub after this one single lauta episode😆 I wonder if ss originally wanted to portray Raghav as someone who had flings and never took any women seriously so this could be used in the future tracks (like the current Esha track), because even his dialogues to Pallavi in this episode resemble how Sunny talks about Pallavi/Keerthi/women in general. For some reason, his character seemed to have undergone a slight shift after a few episodes following this episode. I'm wondering if that was intentional, and if keeping this side of Raghav intact would've made any difference in how the current track looks like.

Originally posted by: PSharada

Yes I think so - When Pallavi comes back to D house maybe she will reflect back and realize that the ONS was not what is being projected and will come back to RR Mansion to expose Esha. I think the separation might be for less than 3 - 4 episodes.

You're so positive about the separation being that short Sharada. Looking back at ss's previous show, I'm struggling😆

Originally posted by: rubys07

You're so positive about the separation being that short Sharada. Looking back at ss's previous show, I'm struggling😆

Are you talking about KHKT Ru? That is different scenario. Here SS is shooting with only 2 sets - either D house or RR Mansion so obviously he needs Pallavi to be back in RR Mansion soon enough to have the tashan go on or get Raghav to D house.

Also since the shooting is in Kolhapur there is hardly any crew or actors they can get to come in at the drop of hat. So I guess they get to do with the same cast and same setups. That is why I think the separation will be short.

Originally posted by: rubys07

I went back to rewatch some of the initial episodes and you know, I can't help but wonder if ss had a different type of Raghav in mind. Farhad's dialogues in this scene implies that Raghav is a regular at these places and is kinda sorta a Casanova with some moral boundaries although I never saw Raghav going to the pub after this one single lauta episode😆 I wonder if ss originally wanted to portray Raghav as someone who had flings and never took any women seriously so this could be used in the future tracks (like the current Esha track), because even his dialogues to Pallavi in this episode resemble how Sunny talks about Pallavi/Keerthi/women in general. For some reason, his character seemed to have undergone a slight shift after a few episodes following this episode. I'm wondering if that was intentional, and if keeping this side of Raghav intact would've made any difference in how the current track looks like.

I think in earlier episodes Raghav was a person who cared for no one. He was lone wolf and he preferred staying that way. In the first episodes you see that he is not even comfortable with Rama showing him some kindness.

By the 3rd episode Raghav and Pallavi meet in that accident and after that it was Raghav and Pallavi paths always getting mixed up. I guess when Pallavi keeps on standing to him, he is obsessed with how to defeat pallavi. Esha is correct in reading Raghav - He hates to lose challenges and that is why she challenged him to the whisky thing in Warangal.

Raghav thinks Pallavi is someone he can quash and once that doesn't happen he keeps on playing this challenging game with her because he is fascinated by her moral compass and the interactions slowly led him to show his different personality shades. I also think Sai had big hand in making Raghav lovable because he did add lot of improvisations to the scenes. Once the chemistry got established I think Sickand weaved the love story.

Originally posted by: PSharada

Are you talking about KHKT Ru? That is different scenario. Here SS is shooting with only 2 sets - either D house or RR Mansion so obviously he needs Pallavi to be back in RR Mansion soon enough to have the tashan go on or get Raghav to D house.

Also since the shooting is in Kolhapur there is hardly any crew or actors they can get to come in at the drop of hat. So I guess they get to do with the same cast and same setups. That is why I think the separation will be short.

hmm they have only 2 sets rr mansion and d house and we all know about their budget issues. So even if separation is a little bit long raghav and pallavi will keep crossing paths.

Also I remember when the first live of SS happened (at start of mandar track ) , he said that "pyar par sawal uthenge ". This line has been implemented in this E track because now nobody wants raghvi as endgame. So pyar par sawal toh uth hi gaye.But how will they manage to once again convince of their love or reconciliation is what left to be seen

Reposting since I spent quite a while to type this 😆

Just a few thoughts about Raghav-Pallavi

Pallavi:

What exactly is Pallavi expecting from Raghav and their marriage? Is she pushing Raghav too much to achieve perfection? We all know that its impossible to achieve perfection, everything can be made better. So is it correct for Pallavi to expect too much perfection from Raghav? Regarding changing Raghav, have you guys heard about Ship of Theseus Paradox? A brief from wiki

It is supposed that the famous ship sailed by the hero Theseus in a great battle was kept in a harbor as a museum piece, and as the years went by some of the wooden parts began to rot and were replaced by new ones; then, after a century or so, every part had been replaced. The question then is whether the "restored" ship is still the same object as the original.

If it is, then suppose the removed pieces were stored in a warehouse, and after the century, technology was developed that cured their rot and enabled them to be reassembled into a ship. Is this "reconstructed" ship the original ship? If it is, then what about the restored ship in the harbor still being the original ship as well?

In this case, if Raghav changes, like turning over a new leaf, changing everything, will he still remain the Raghav Rao that Pallavi originally fell for? If yes, then is there any real change? If no, then what was the point of changing?

Raghav:

We know he has issues that arise from his traumas. They are a part of his life. He has wished for a person who can look beyond his exterior persona. Pallavi does that. She isn't living with him for his handsome face or money or materialistic stuff. Pallavi is staying married to him because she wants to. Naturally Raghav wants to be The Best for Pallavi. But what is the best and how much is best enough? Dealing with his demons? Solving his anger issues? Making tons of money, in the right way? But then isn't he changing his external personality? Isn't it against what he wished for, unconditional acceptance?

My opinion:

Change is the only constant. No one can live with a person who is extremely volatile for a long time. Hence, it is understandable that Pallavi wants Raghav to tone down certain things. Raghav should understand this, and try to address the actual underlying issues. That being said, Pallavi should try to understand, when not to push things. Some imperfections are acceptable, everything does not need to be 100% perfect. You can't score 100% in every single exam, can you? Both need to walk some steps and meet halfway.

Your opinions?

Originally posted by: Shri_12

Reposting since I spent quite a while to type this 😆

Just a few thoughts about Raghav-Pallavi

Pallavi:

What exactly is Pallavi expecting from Raghav and their marriage? Is she pushing Raghav too much to achieve perfection? We all know that its impossible to achieve perfection, everything can be made better. So is it correct for Pallavi to expect too much perfection from Raghav? Regarding changing Raghav, have you guys heard about Ship of Theseus Paradox? A brief from wiki

It is supposed that the famous ship sailed by the hero Theseus in a great battle was kept in a harbor as a museum piece, and as the years went by some of the wooden parts began to rot and were replaced by new ones; then, after a century or so, every part had been replaced. The question then is whether the "restored" ship is still the same object as the original.

If it is, then suppose the removed pieces were stored in a warehouse, and after the century, technology was developed that cured their rot and enabled them to be reassembled into a ship. Is this "reconstructed" ship the original ship? If it is, then what about the restored ship in the harbor still being the original ship as well?

In this case, if Raghav changes, like turning over a new leaf, changing everything, will he still remain the Raghav Rao that Pallavi originally fell for? If yes, then is there any real change? If no, then what was the point of changing?

Raghav:

We know he has issues that arise from his traumas. They are a part of his life. He has wished for a person who can look beyond his exterior persona. Pallavi does that. She isn't living with him for his handsome face or money or materialistic stuff. Pallavi is staying married to him because she wants to. Naturally Raghav wants to be The Best for Pallavi. But what is the best and how much is best enough? Dealing with his demons? Solving his anger issues? Making tons of money, in the right way? But then isn't he changing his external personality? Isn't it against what he wished for, unconditional acceptance?

My opinion:

Change is the only constant. No one can live with a person who is extremely volatile for a long time. Hence, it is understandable that Pallavi wants Raghav to tone down certain things. Raghav should understand this, and try to address the actual underlying issues. That being said, Pallavi should try to understand, when not to push things. Some imperfections are acceptable, everything does not need to be 100% perfect. You can't score 100% in every single exam, can you? Both need to walk some steps and meet halfway.

Your opinions?

Thank you Shri for posting this. I read this and wanted to reply but it slipped out of my mind.

I agree to certain points of what you are saying but not all.

Pallavi :-

I don't think Pallavi is pushing too hard for Raghav to change. She doesn't want to change Raghav to perfection. If you remember the hyderabad episodes when Raghav drinks too much and Pallavi keeps him under the shower, all he mumbles is that he doesn't want to stay alone and asks Pallavi to not leave him. Raghav in his most vulnerable state tells Pallavi what he is really afraid of. And that is the first time Pallavi sees the change that can be possible in Raghav and understands that he wants his family to be with him. Pallavi also understands that for his family to be with Raghav, Raghav needs to change because Jaya and Keerti can't accept a don as their Raghav. That is why the next day Pallavi says - I know you can change and I have seen it in you. Raghav even asks - If I change will you stay forever. So how can we say that whatever Pallavi has strived for did not come from Raghav's inherent desire to change ? I agree that pallavi was little heavy in her desire to get Raghav to leave all the illegal business, or leave alcohol and what not but I strongly feel that Raghav agreed to all of that because he himself wanted to change.

The only problem is Raghav being a lone wolf all this time has difficulty comprehending emotional issues.

Raghav:-

I won't say that Raghav has not changed for Pallavi. Raghav adores Pallavi for the woman she is because she represents the pureness that would have been him had the past not scarred him so badly. Raghav loves Pallavi too because only she is the light in his dark world and she has indeed filled his life with all the happiness he can ever ask for. However the problem I have with Raghav is his inherent flight response to anything and everything that looks to threaten his peace. The moment a problem occurs the first response of him is to close it or hide it or be a ostrich with his head in the sand. That is what I want Raghav to change - he needs to trust his life partner and understand that the problems will be solved only if they trust each other.

I really hope this track showcases the practical growth in Pallavi (she can't expect everyone to be good and can't expect ex-gf to be okay living in her house with her husband) and emotional growth in Raghav(he needs to trust his wife if he claims to love her so much - Love without trust is like a building without solid foundation). And I think once they understand this relationship dynamics then they will be more stronger than ever.

What is up with Siku and his obsession for insaaniyat vs pyaar storylines?

No, people are not IRL that self-less. Smh. Realistic my ______.

Normal business men don't go to meet a kidnapper without police with them. Or without a weapon. What happened to Don R.

Tbh not much to say about today's episode. Quite boring. Two RaghavPallavi moments. But like you said Ru, I couldn't really enjoy them either.

Raghav going from always thinking about the night he spent with Esha and feeling that guilt to completely ignoring it / not acknowledging it and only wanting to keep P in the dark and happy is difficult to watch and makes very little sense in terms of continuity.

All I care about now is confrontation/confession/Pallavi leaving him (for now) to be her own person & them paving a way for R to beg, plead, and woo her. I need him to really grovel & CHANGE to really earn her forgiveness.

The more I watch these episodes the more I see how idealized both R+P think and love each other. And tbh, that's unhealthy.

R looks at P as if she is an angel and he can never quite catch up to her or be on equal footing with her (which right now, he can't. Right now he's being a scumbag that doesn't deserve her but he hasn't always been like this despite always thinking P is too good for him). He definitely treats and looks at her as if she's out of his league and even more so now that he's "cheated".

P looks at R as this changed ideal man - she's put him on a pedestal. Despite doing so much wrong, she continues to maintain that he could never do wrong. Although she doesn't look at him and expect perfection, she does look at him and see perfection.

Both of these IMO are unhealthy forms of love - it's not realistic. I hope this track eventually leads to them being realistic about each other and what they want / expect from each other. THAT would be a realistic plot.

Precap thoughts: Of course R would yell at P despite never telling her when his dad/bro's barsi is (is that the term for funeral or day of death? Dang Amma, on her bday too??) smh. If A+ K turn on P because of this then, dare I say, D fam is better than R fam.

Shivi keeps saying we'll get to see what we want - have patience - I can't help but wonder if she's talking about P divorcing R / separation. Which I expect / I think needs to temporarily happen bc there's no other way for R to realize that he treats P as his emotional punching bag and how much he's erred in terms of his insaaniyat farz.

Originally posted by: PSharada

Thank you Shri for posting this. I read this and wanted to reply but it slipped out of my mind.

I agree to certain points of what you are saying but not all.

Pallavi :-

I don't think Pallavi is pushing too hard for Raghav to change. She doesn't want to change Raghav to perfection. If you remember the hyderabad episodes when Raghav drinks too much and Pallavi keeps him under the shower, all he mumbles is that he doesn't want to stay alone and asks Pallavi to not leave him. Raghav in his most vulnerable state tells Pallavi what he is really afraid of. And that is the first time Pallavi sees the change that can be possible in Raghav and understands that he wants his family to be with him. Pallavi also understands that for his family to be with Raghav, Raghav needs to change because Jaya and Keerti can't accept a don as their Raghav. That is why the next day Pallavi says - I know you can change and I have seen it in you. Raghav even asks - If I change will you stay forever. So how can we say that whatever Pallavi has strived for did not come from Raghav's inherent desire to change ? I agree that pallavi was little heavy in her desire to get Raghav to leave all the illegal business, or leave alcohol and what not but I strongly feel that Raghav agreed to all of that because he himself wanted to change.

The only problem is Raghav being a lone wolf all this time has difficulty comprehending emotional issues.

Raghav:-

I won't say that Raghav has not changed for Pallavi. Raghav adores Pallavi for the woman she is because she represents the pureness that would have been him had the past not scarred him so badly. Raghav loves Pallavi too because only she is the light in his dark world and she has indeed filled his life with all the happiness he can ever ask for. However the problem I have with Raghav is his inherent flight response to anything and everything that looks to threaten his peace. The moment a problem occurs the first response of him is to close it or hide it or be a ostrich with his head in the sand. That is what I want Raghav to change - he needs to trust his life partner and understand that the problems will be solved only if they trust each other.

I really hope this track showcases the practical growth in Pallavi (she can't expect everyone to be good and can't expect ex-gf to be okay living in her house with her husband) and emotional growth in Raghav(he needs to trust his wife if he claims to love her so much - Love without trust is like a building without solid foundation). And I think once they understand this relationship dynamics then they will be more stronger than ever.

By perfection, I meant that Pallavi expects Raghav to be unaffected by Esha's presence, which is ideal but not practical. Pallavi constantly reminds Raghav that he is the best (even when he is not) which pushes Raghav to hide the truth to maintain that image.

An incident that I can think of is, once a really smart student brought chits to cheat in an exam. He was caught and confronted because teachers were shocked that why would a smart boy try to cheat when he can easily get above average marks. He confessed that everyone was pressurizing him to top the exam and he didn't want to disappoint them. So to make sure that he tops he brought chits as a back up. That boy lost all his reputation that he built with his hardwork because now his class thinks that he got great marks in all exams because he used to cheat in exams.

Raghav had an intimate relationship with Esha and an ugly break up. It is natural that Raghav-Esha know certain stuff about each other that others don't. Like Esha carrying whisky in her bag, which words trigger Raghav, their likes and dislikes. It is obivious that Esha is going affect Raghav, not because Raghav has feelings for Esha, but because they have a past. You can no longer have feelings for a person but can you un-know things?

Rest I agree with you

Originally posted by: rubys07

I went back to rewatch some of the initial episodes and you know, I can't help but wonder if ss had a different type of Raghav in mind. Farhad's dialogues in this scene implies that Raghav is a regular at these places and is kinda sorta a Casanova with some moral boundaries although I never saw Raghav going to the pub after this one single lauta episode😆 I wonder if ss originally wanted to portray Raghav as someone who had flings and never took any women seriously so this could be used in the future tracks (like the current Esha track), because even his dialogues to Pallavi in this episode resemble how Sunny talks about Pallavi/Keerthi/women in general. For some reason, his character seemed to have undergone a slight shift after a few episodes following this episode. I'm wondering if that was intentional, and if keeping this side of Raghav intact would've made any difference in how the current track looks like.

More than Casanova, I thought Raghav to be Apni-marzi-ka-maalik type.