Raghav - to forgive or not to forgive? - Page 4

Originally posted by: jyot_puja

I don't want Pallavi ever forgiving Ragav. He don't deserve her. His behaviour with Pallavi before and after that fateful night is too pathetic. Ragavi for me is dead now. Earlier I use to wait for their scenes together. But now I don't enjoy them. Better they go separate way.

Let Raghav be in guilt mode forever and let him be with Esha forever, his soulmate and first love.

It will be very difficult for Pallavi. Let her choose her own life independent of Raghav.

Sorry for butting in.

Why are we deciding for her with what we want? Dont we think Pallavi is smart enough to decide what she wants to do with her life?

Raghav doesnt love Esha. Even if Pallavi leaves him he isn't going to Esha. He loves only Pallavi.

Raghav has made mistakes and is going to make some more but he didn't cheat on Pallavi. Abhi un mistakes ke liye she leaves him or understands him n let's him repent is her choice.

Originally posted by: jyot_puja

I don't want Pallavi ever forgiving Ragav. He don't deserve her. His behaviour with Pallavi before and after that fateful night is too pathetic. Ragavi for me is dead now. Earlier I use to wait for their scenes together. But now I don't enjoy them. Better they go separate way.

Let Raghav be in guilt mode forever and let him be with Esha forever, his soulmate and first love.

It will be very difficult for Pallavi. Let her choose her own life independent of Raghav.

Knowing Raghav if its not cleared that he's not the really guilty party in this deed fiasco... he will be in guilt mode irrespective of that fact whether Pallavi forgives him or not. He deserves a chance because his intent was not off and his heart is at the right place. He's messed up in his head and needs to learn to sort his priorities.

And by enforcing her to leave, we are doing what Raghav is doing. He doesn't want her to leave and FD wants her to.

Raghav is guilty of being too complacent around Pallavi and taking her for granted. But thats not off for someone who was abandoned for 10 years. Such people do need time to adapt and come to terms with companionship and going by what we are seeing, Raghav was effectively making a progress there, albeit slow but yes it was there. And I am not saying this to defend Raghav, I am saying this by what I have actually seen very closely.

As far as Pallavi is concerned, she won't ever move on. She has made her mistakes too around D family and Raghav was supportive of her through her follies. Albeit her follies weren't like Raghav's. D family have treated her like dirt yet all she holds is love for them. and Raghav is someone she considers a part of her own. Its only Raghav she will allow to heal her. Raghav would need to prove his worth all over again.

Its easy for us to ask Raghav to leave Pallavi when she's wrong and ask Pallav to leave Raghav when he's wrong. But its them into this relationship. One who took a bullet for another and another one raised the gun to his temple to save her. Let them work in it. Let them decide.

I was definitely not comfortable with Raghav's "lets catch up session" neither him indulging with drinks with her in the hotel room. So whatever comes his way, he has opened the gateway to it. He definitely can not and should not be given a free passe for all of this. Tbh I didn't like him still crying over Esha in Pallav's lap.

May be his reaction was out of his defences. May be like an animalistic intent that when one don't trust a trespasser, one may leap into action to protect themselves and their clan even if the trespasser exhibited no immediate threat. However it didn't give a right message. In my opinion had he called her out on her "me too" he wouldn't be in the hell he has created right now.

But that can't be undone. So yes, Pallavi is going to break. And thats when he'll realise the true impact of his actions. But yes, he can be redeemed. Because, despite all the follies, he never intended to cheat on Pallavi. When someone says that they crucified themselves for you, you wouldn't want to hurt them further. He didn't realise the same girl who claimed to sacrifice her happiness for him was going to violate him. It was a misplaced judgment. It was a mirror of Mandar Pallavi track. If Raghav hadn't reached in time, Mandar might have violated Pallavi too. If I stood my Pallavi then, I'll stand by Raghav now. Many people said how Pallavi could be so blind to Mandar's malice and how can she agree to be at her ex husbands house. There Pallavi trusted a wrong guy and here Raghav did the same. I however agree and won't argue that Pallavi was way too mature and love while handling Mandar in her transparent approach with Raghav while Raghav acting discreet drove the issue to this point. He is at fault but not for what's alleged.

I never stood by Pallavi for prioritizing Mandaar over Raghav yet I know for sure that she never cheated on Raghav, she was always transparent about her feelings towards Mandaar, she was very clear in her stance that she loved and belonged to Raghav. She hurt Raghav but didn't cheat him so there was scope to defend her on that ground. And even if she would have been violated, the onus of it all would fall on Mandaar as he drugged her. Here, Raghav can't even convincingly tell Esha to maintain distance from him as he loves someone else. Not once has he taken a strong stand against Esha's uninvited advances. He considered Esha to be a manipulative woman for 10 year yet took 10 seconds to soften to her sob story, let her get through the walls of his heart and made her realise how much he remembered her, a woman pining for him for the past 10 years would naturally believe that she still stood a chance with him. I do not blame Raghav for the physical intimacy because he was assaulted, I blame him for the uncertain response towards his relationship with Pallavi. And if he can't value Pallavi's emotions when he's away from her, he doesn't deserve any chance with her whatsoever. A man in love would never forget the boundaries of his relationship in a room full of women just because he is not with that woman at that time.

I won't deny what comes Raghav's way is his doing. I wish he had shared things with pallavi. I wish he hadn't shut or shun her. But his intentions weren't misplaced. His heart had no malice in there. Even in that inebriated state Raghav commit the unthinkable, it was an accident. He said it to Esha also the other day, for him he didn't know its her. It was Pallavi. And Esha was sober enough to register that. A have been saying this on multiple posts, I'll reiterate it again... all murders can't be equated as same. Some are accidents, some homicide, some self defence and some vengeance. Sentences for each is different based on the intent. Here as well, he didn't falter in a moment of weakness neither he's a habitual offender. Until morning he didn't even realise that he was with esha. The perpetrator must be punished based howsoever, and here also Raghav needs to pay for his ignorance or foolishness... and Pallavi should be the one to decide the extent of punishment. She can take her own time to decide what she wants.

Even if I agree with you on his intentions not being wrong earlier, how do I keep that belief when all I see is him cheating Pallavi every single day. He thinks he slept with a woman, he doesn't tell Pallavi about it yet he had the heart to get the same woman to his house, the house that he shares with Pallavi? Even if Esha was abused, he didn't once consider how Pallavi would feel about her presence in their house when she gets to know about his rendezvous with Esha? How did he even have the heart to put Esha's feelings above Pallavi's? This is a man who loves Pallavi? This?

This is ITV so Pallavi would probably forgive Raghav but in real life, no woman would really respect herself is she forgives what Raghav did and continues to do.

Originally posted by: Couch.Potato

Even if Pallavi forgives Raghav’s misjudgment on night , how can she overlook things he is doing after sleeping with Esha ? Raghav is still entertaining Esha after sleeping with her , while keeping Pallavi in dark. How shameful! I’d really want Pallavi to walk away from this relationship even if it’s for a small break .

Exactly! What Esha is doing or what's happening with her should be the last thing on his mind. How shameful that he still had the audacity to get her home and act so normal in front of Pallavi. This is when he claims to love her. Pallavi needs to walk away from him forever.

Originally posted by: SexyPotato

Sorry Sonia (I hope I get your name right) for quoting this line, not really have the intention to have a discussion but I couldn't ignore that line. It triggered me bad. Because whenever a cheating happens here in our society, our society always gives the same reason (when it's about man). Galti ho gaye & all, deserves a chance... I know intention here is May be different

Please ignore this post. I just couldn't ignore this.

& I hope you're doing well.🤗

P.s. I'm not shaming you or calling you anything for this. Just found that line disturbing.

+1.

Pallavi is most innocent party here, and it baffles me how ppl want her to compromise to sustain this marriage. Or support him and find out what happened that night,

(Not directed towards you specifically TM)

Raghav after cheating on Pallavi , continues to prioritise girl he slept with , gaslighting his own wife in process, yet Pallavi must forgive him? Why ?

Because she loves him ?

If Raghav feels guilty, why doesn’t he come clean ?

Instead of running behind ex and worrying about her, why doesn’t he think about his own marriage and how to work on it ? How to handle the situation?

Why doesn’t he think how his actions are hurting Pallavi ? He’s busy in his own world and then later in Esha’s problems.

Also , What kind of love , disrespects and hurts you like this ? I’m sorry but it’s not worth it .

This look like vicious cycle Pallavi had with Deshmukhs.

Raghav doesn’t need to be forgiven by Pallavi for Pallavi’s sake , pls , it will be tough for Pallavi to walk away from Marriage, agreed , Man she trusted and loved so much , broke her in worst way possible , just like she found it difficult to let go of Deshmukhs, she’ll find it difficult initially, but girl has enough strength and ability to stand up on her own , like she gathered strength and stood up against VD twice , she can stand up without Raghav too.

Raghav needs her forgiveness and support , Pallavi after initial struggle can survive without him.

Anyways , Pals was the only one holding up this marriage for major part of it.

Whatever Raghav is doing after spending night with Esha , is downright shameful, bringing girl you spent night with is cheap imo. And I’d definitely want Pals to leave him , but probably we won’t see it sadly .

Jo bhi hai, saying Raghav should be forgiven by P for her own sake, takes credit away from her imo. She is must stronger than that. And that’s why I don’t disagree with that line .

No proof read .

It's easy to be gaslighted with what is happening. I stand by my views. I am not a Raghav or Pallavi solo stan that I mindless ask the other to walk out the moment there's a storm. Relationships doesn't work like that! Period!

You have another view, I respect it and draw the line to agree to not agree. I don't think any of my replies before were remotely rude or imposing. I am neither generalizing anyone nor directing anything towards anyone. And yes, I won't put disclaimers to my post because I am not here to offend anyone nor spoil my mood/ day / experience on a virtual platform.

Having said that... I never denied that Raghav has made his share of mistakes... Much more infact. But he's the same guy who was ready to shoot himself to prevent her from harm. I don't judge the character in isolation of a particular track. One genuine mistake doesnt rip someone off their personalities.

Going by the premise I still stand by it that Raghav is not guilty of what he has been alleged off. I have so far not seen him guilty for Esha... His guilt is towards Pallavi and Pallavi only. Like pallavi fell into mandar's suicide drama, hand burning trap... The same is happening here. He has very clearly told Esha that she's his past. I am glad that he's not falling for pallavis moves or else that will be a deceit. He self loathing and so not letting pallavi in.

Going by updates or by other people's views it's difficult to understand the premise and reactions. I prefer to watch, grasp and then comment.

Raghav may be a jerk... But he's not a compulsive, abusive, habitual cheat with loose morals. Having "slept" with another woman, he's not going by his business as if nothing happened. Yes he's not telling her, I agree he should... But seeing things from his perspective, he's scared to loose her yet building up courage to confess. It failed but it's not like he didn't try. This relationship will bring him back to streets with home becoming mansion and loneliness pulling him in the depth of dungeons all over again. It's not a happy place. He's scared. But, he's not denying her right to truth. He is not shunning her because he finds her less or not appealing, he's shunning her because he's filthy.

Had he consummated with Pallavi today, that would have been his second grave mistake. I am glad he refrained. I am glad his confession didn't beat around the bush and I am glad he didn't justify or build defenses. He accepted he was at fault. He took the accountability of what he thinks he's done. And I give him the credit to that.

As far as Pallavi is concerned, I know she will be shattered. She is and will suffer the most. And no she shouldn't give him an easy way out. She shouldn't forgive him till he earns it. If pallavi forgives it will be for her and for him and them.

Forgiving or not doesn't defines the strength of a person. A person who can trust is stronger than the one who can't. Thus no doubt, Pallavi is more stronger than Raghav. Yes she will survive without him... But she will be a dead person inside. It's a premise of what Esha did to Raghav and how he twisted as a person... The same will be with Pallavi. I don't want that to happen to her. Especially when her love isn't one sided... Yes it's complicated but she's deeply loved by Raghav. It's her house, rightfully her place. But when the truth is out, her foundations will shake. I would like her to take sometime out and then decide. If she wants to be with Raghav it should he Love the foundations strengthened with trust this time... If she wants to walk out... It will be again her choice. And I am not going to judge her.

Originally posted by: euphoric

It's easy to be gaslighted with what is happening. I stand by my views. I am not a Raghav or Pallavi solo stan that I mindless ask the other to walk out the moment there's a storm. Relationships doesn't work like that! Period!

You have another view, I respect it and draw the line to agree to not agree. I don't think any of my replies before were remotely rude or imposing. I am neither generalizing anyone nor directing anything towards anyone. And yes, I won't put disclaimers to my post because I am not here to offend anyone nor spoil my mood/ day / experience on a virtual platform.

Having said that... I never denied that Raghav has made his share of mistakes... Much more infact. But he's the same guy who was ready to shoot himself to prevent her from harm. I don't judge the character in isolation of a particular track. One genuine mistake doesnt rip someone off their personalities.

Going by the premise I still stand by it that Raghav is not guilty of what he has been alleged off. I have so far not seen him guilty for Esha... His guilt is towards Pallavi and Pallavi only. Like pallavi fell into mandar's suicide drama, hand burning trap... The same is happening here. He has very clearly told Esha that she's his past. I am glad that he's not falling for pallavis moves or else that will be a deceit. He self loathing and so not letting pallavi in.

Going by updates or by other people's views it's difficult to understand the premise and reactions. I prefer to watch, grasp and then comment.

Raghav may be a jerk... But he's not a compulsive, abusive, habitual cheat with loose morals. Having "slept" with another woman, he's not going by his business as if nothing happened. Yes he's not telling her, I agree he should... But seeing things from his perspective, he's scared to loose her yet building up courage to confess. It failed but it's not like he didn't try. This relationship will bring him back to streets with home becoming mansion and loneliness pulling him in the depth of dungeons all over again. It's not a happy place. He's scared. But, he's not denying her right to truth. He is not shunning her because he finds her less or not appealing, he's shunning her because he's filthy.

Had he consummated with Pallavi today, that would have been his second grave mistake. I am glad he refrained. I am glad his confession didn't beat around the bush and I am glad he didn't justify or build defenses. He accepted he was at fault. He took the accountability of what he thinks he's done. And I give him the credit to that.

As far as Pallavi is concerned, I know she will be shattered. She is and will suffer the most. And no she shouldn't give him an easy way out. She shouldn't forgive him till he earns it. If pallavi forgives it will be for her and for him and them.

Forgiving or not doesn't defines the strength of a person. A person who can trust is stronger than the one who can't. Thus no doubt, Pallavi is more stronger than Raghav. Yes she will survive without him... But she will be a dead person inside. It's a premise of what Esha did to Raghav and how he twisted as a person... The same will be with Pallavi. I don't want that to happen to her. Especially when her love isn't one sided... Yes it's complicated but she's deeply loved by Raghav. It's her house, rightfully her place. But when the truth is out, her foundations will shake. I would like her to take sometime out and then decide. If she wants to be with Raghav it should he Love the foundations strengthened with trust this time... If she wants to walk out... It will be again her choice. And I am not going to judge her.

Bold - loved it.

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Originally posted by: joliefemme

Sorry for butting in.

Why are we deciding for her with what we want? Dont we think Pallavi is smart enough to decide what she wants to do with her life?

Raghav doesnt love Esha. Even if Pallavi leaves him he isn't going to Esha. He loves only Pallavi.

Raghav has made mistakes and is going to make some more but he didn't cheat on Pallavi. Abhi un mistakes ke liye she leaves him or understands him n let's him repent is her choice.

100% agree. Thank you for this post, dear. 👏

We have our own view on what we would have done in her place but she is the only person who can decide what's best for her and for their relationship. This isn't about us.

I understand people are upset with what's going on and are speculating what they would have done in real life but the whole point of a woman being strong is for her to have the freedom and the right to choose what her next steps would be in such a situation. Not following what other people say she should do.

I get some people are being sarcastic but some are going overboard with the virtual lynching of Raghav by saying he should marry Esha and let Pallavi unite them and what not, and that he doesn't love Pallavi or finds her attractive, etc. despite him saying or showing in every other scene how much he loves her and hates himself for doing this to her, even if he knows it was unintentional.

And yes, Raghav doesn't love Esha. It's Pallavi or no one else, that's it. Just like Pallavi, Raghav also has the right to decide what he wants to do next. We can't dictate that he marry Esha (clearly it's the last thing he'd want to do willingly) or grovel for that matter. We may want him to but what if he doesn't and decides to go for another alternative?

Originally posted by: euphoric

It's easy to be gaslighted with what is happening. I stand by my views. I am not a Raghav or Pallavi solo stan that I mindless ask the other to walk out the moment there's a storm. Relationships doesn't work like that! Period!

You have another view, I respect it and draw the line to agree to not agree. I don't think any of my replies before were remotely rude or imposing. I am neither generalizing anyone nor directing anything towards anyone. And yes, I won't put disclaimers to my post because I am not here to offend anyone nor spoil my mood/ day / experience on a virtual platform.

Having said that... I never denied that Raghav has made his share of mistakes... Much more infact. But he's the same guy who was ready to shoot himself to prevent her from harm. I don't judge the character in isolation of a particular track. One genuine mistake doesnt rip someone off their personalities.

Going by the premise I still stand by it that Raghav is not guilty of what he has been alleged off. I have so far not seen him guilty for Esha... His guilt is towards Pallavi and Pallavi only. Like pallavi fell into mandar's suicide drama, hand burning trap... The same is happening here. He has very clearly told Esha that she's his past. I am glad that he's not falling for pallavis moves or else that will be a deceit. He self loathing and so not letting pallavi in.

Going by updates or by other people's views it's difficult to understand the premise and reactions. I prefer to watch, grasp and then comment.

Raghav may be a jerk... But he's not a compulsive, abusive, habitual cheat with loose morals. Having "slept" with another woman, he's not going by his business as if nothing happened. Yes he's not telling her, I agree he should... But seeing things from his perspective, he's scared to loose her yet building up courage to confess. It failed but it's not like he didn't try. This relationship will bring him back to streets with home becoming mansion and loneliness pulling him in the depth of dungeons all over again. It's not a happy place. He's scared. But, he's not denying her right to truth. He is not shunning her because he finds her less or not appealing, he's shunning her because he's filthy.

Had he consummated with Pallavi today, that would have been his second grave mistake. I am glad he refrained. I am glad his confession didn't beat around the bush and I am glad he didn't justify or build defenses. He accepted he was at fault. He took the accountability of what he thinks he's done. And I give him the credit to that.

As far as Pallavi is concerned, I know she will be shattered. She is and will suffer the most. And no she shouldn't give him an easy way out. She shouldn't forgive him till he earns it. If pallavi forgives it will be for her and for him and them.

Forgiving or not doesn't defines the strength of a person. A person who can trust is stronger than the one who can't. Thus no doubt, Pallavi is more stronger than Raghav. Yes she will survive without him... But she will be a dead person inside. It's a premise of what Esha did to Raghav and how he twisted as a person... The same will be with Pallavi. I don't want that to happen to her. Especially when her love isn't one sided... Yes it's complicated but she's deeply loved by Raghav. It's her house, rightfully her place. But when the truth is out, her foundations will shake. I would like her to take sometime out and then decide. If she wants to be with Raghav it should he Love the foundations strengthened with trust this time... If she wants to walk out... It will be again her choice. And I am not going to judge her.

Totally agree with all this.

The writers have definitely painted a gray scenario here so the judgement and punishment cannot be black or white either.

Regarding Raghav's intent, I wanted him to tell he ASAP but I understood why he wanted to take a couple of days as he battled his fears and inner demons. It's when LWR helped him think clearly that he took action right away. LWR isn't an external person, it's the part of him that always helps him rationalize and be fair and also the part of him that cautioned him on the road the other day to be careful about his next steps, not to hide anything but to ensure he considers the impact on Pallavi. Today he highlighted the fact that it's between a rock and a hard place and that a person like Raghav who values honesty wouldn't be able to live with this lifelong burden on his soul, and that Pallavi has the right to know.

The night after Raghav returned from Warangal, Pallavi said she's realized in his absence that he was a part of her. This woman can't live without him so dealing with the truth is going to be really hard for her no matter which way she finds out. If you remember her conversation with Ayi in the diamonds track, she ended up not sending him to jail because she just couldn't. So what will she do this time? I want to see it play out. My wish is for her to find the path that makes her happy but she has to make her own choice in this matter without external pressure or interference.

I know this has been a difficult topic but I'm loving the way this track is going in terms of showing people's dilemmas.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Totally agree with all this.

The writers have definitely painted a gray scenario here so the judgement and punishment cannot be black or white either.

Regarding Raghav's intent, I wanted him to tell he ASAP but I understood why he wanted to take a couple of days as he battled his fears and inner demons. It's when LWR helped him think clearly that he took action right away. LWR isn't an external person, it's the part of him that always helps him rationalize and be fair and also the part of him that cautioned him on the road the other day to be careful about his next steps, not to hide anything but to ensure he considers the impact on Pallavi. Today he highlighted the fact that it's between a rock and a hard place and that a person like Raghav who values honesty wouldn't be able to live with this lifelong burden on his soul, and that Pallavi has the right to know.

The night after Raghav returned from Warangal, Pallavi said she's realized in his absence that he was a part of her. This woman can't live without him so dealing with the truth is going to be really hard for her no matter which way she finds out. If you remember her conversation with Ayi in the diamonds track, she ended up not sending him to jail because she just couldn't. So what will she do this time? I want to see it play out. My wish is for her to find the path that makes her happy but she has to make her own choice in this matter without external pressure or interference.

I know this has been a difficult topic but I'm loving the way this track is going in terms of showing people's dilemmas.

Its an ITV show after all. So tadka and masala will find its way. But nevertheless, this is quite a contemporary scenario.

Cheating happens and its not gender specific. I have seen women making mistakes, rising above them and committing to their priorities and giving more than their 100 percent to the relationship. To err is to human and what's important is one learn from it.

LWR is Raghav's voice of conscience and reason. His existence is a proof that his soul is not consumed by his demons. He's very much man struggling to rise above his own inconsistencies. Pallavi loves him dearly. She's his heart and soul. He is her home. And she is going to find herself abandoned again... at least on emotional grounds where her companion is going to smudge away in the darkness of the night, he brought upon them. My heart truly goes out to her. And I really hope, that she finds her semblance sooner than later. Considering how complex his scenario is, and how the makers are so far handling dilemma, I am not averse to the track. Yes, the tadka makes it cringe from time to time. But emotions of self doubt, self loathe, confusion and guilt are right on point.