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Originally posted by: NoraSM

It is stated time and again that only Kuru or Panchal king could be emperor, then why didn’t they try to do that Yagya which could make them emperor?

Because Jarasandha. They need an alliance to take him out first as the remainder of Aryavarta were his vassals.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Actually while I don't have any doubts about Krishna Arjun friendship, but there are temples of Dury and Karna (with one as chief and other as co deity) where the people go to ask blessings for eternal friendship

Krishna Arjun are more as mentor mentee personifications. Their statues are found outside IIMs (at all the IIMs I have visited)

So just because others worship a duo doesn't make them more important

No arjun is not worshipped with krishna but ya I agree about mentor thing.

Dury or karn ka temple bhi hai, kya baat hai good👏

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Actually while I don't have any doubts about Krishna Arjun friendship, but there are temples of Dury and Karna (with one as chief and other as co deity) where the people go to ask blessings for eternal friendship

Krishna Arjun are more as mentor mentee personifications. Their statues are found outside IIMs (at all the IIMs I have visited)

So just because others worship a duo doesn't make them more important

Chalo somewhere Dury is getting something good, I know he is the bad guy but I can’t help feeling bad for him

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Actually while I don't have any doubts about Krishna Arjun friendship, but there are temples of Dury and Karna (with one as chief and other as co deity) where the people go to ask blessings for eternal friendship

Krishna Arjun are more as mentor mentee personifications. Their statues are found outside IIMs (at all the IIMs I have visited)

So just because others worship a duo doesn't make them more important

I agree worshiping dosent make someone more important . waise to radha krishna are worshiped everywhere. Here i came o know radha dint exist only😕

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

The kings in Itihas who actually declared it were not Kuru or Panchal if it answers your question(exception might be Bharat but I am not sure if he went for Vajpaye)

okay

@HearMeRoar and @FlauntPessimism

Did Jarasandh perform Vajpaye Yagya?

Suyodhana was not all bad. Karna was his main problem. Plus. The elders of the family.

The subjects of Hastinapuri loved Suyodhana.

Like everyone else, he was some bad, some good. He lost the war, so his bad side is emphasized.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Yes, We are rather limited in our approach of human relationship, Individuals in Mahabharata have formed bonds beyond bloodlines

True that. We are trying to understand their relations by how we perceive things today.

Probably it wasn't so back then

Originally posted by: NoraSM

okay

@HearMeRoar and @FlauntPessimism

Did Jarasandh perform Vajpaye Yagya?

Jarasangh wasn't a Chakravarti Samrat, he was just a Samrat, forget having the entire country under his reign, he hadn't even all the kingdoms subdued

No he didn't perform Vajpaye Yagya. Very limited people did that

Whatever Rajasuya was supposed to be, Yudhishtira did have lordship over other kings.

Suyodhana says so.

uryodhana replied, “O maternal uncle!8 I saw the entire earth brought under

Yudhishthira’s suzerainty, conquered with the power and weapons of the great-souled one

with white horses.9 I witnessed the sacrifice of Partha,10 like that of the immensely radiant

Shakra among the gods. I am full of envy and am burning day and night. I am drying up like

a shallow pond in the hot season.11 Witness—when Shishupala was felled by the foremost of

the Satvatas,12 there wasn’t a single man who stood by his side. The kings were burnt with

the flames of the Pandavas and pardoned the crime. Who can pardon that crime? Vasudeva’s

great deed was improper and succeeded only because of the power of the great-souled

Pandavas. Various kings brought many jewels to King Kounteya13 and worshipped him, like

vaishyas who pay taxes. On seeing the blazing prosperity of the Pandavas, I am afflicted with

jealousy and am burning, though I am not made that way. I will throw myself into the fire, or

consume poison, or immerse myself in water. I cannot bear to be alive. What true man in the

worlds has the fortitude to see his rivals prosper, while his own self is in decline? If today I

bore the prosperity that has befallen them, I would not be a woman, or one who is not a

woman, or a man, or one who is not a man. On witnessing their lordship over the earth, the

likes of their riches and the likes of their sacrifice, how can a man like me not be feverish?

Alone, I am not capable of acquiring such royal prosperity, nor do I see any help. Therefore, I

am thinking of death. On seeing the pure prosperity of Kunti’s son, I consider destiny to be

supreme and endeavour to be meaningless. O Soubala! In the past, I have made attempts to

kill him.14 But he overcame all of them and prospered like a lotus in the water. Therefore, I

consider destiny to be supreme and endeavour to be meaningless. The Dhritarashtras15 are

declining and the Parthas are always prospering. When I see their prosperity and that

beautiful sabha and the derisive laughter of the guards, I burn as if with fire. O maternal

uncle! Please allow me now to suffer in misery and tell Dhritarashtra about the envy that has

pervaded m

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Jarasangh wasn't a Chakravarti Samrat, he was just a Samrat, forget having the entire country under his reign, he hadn't even all the kingdoms subdued

No he didn't perform Vajpaye Yagya. Very limited people did that

What do you think was the reason of less people performing this? I understand they couldn’t win every kingdom but chances of losing has never stopped people from attacking each other

If we look at it from a different perspective, the announcement would have alerted other kingdoms which made it difficult for kings to conquer them, is it a possibility? Surprise attack has more chances of victory also failure after announcement would have resulted in people not taking the King seriously