~| Whatever you want to argue about - 2 |~ - Page 47

@Chili

Krishna wanting Arjuna alone fails to explain how it would make him Krishna's tool. Unless Panchali were conspiring with Krishna, it would make Arjuna Drupada's tool.

Forget my objections to polyandry or upapandavas, that theory doesn't compute even accepting text as is.

Also, FP is right that being daughter or sister to Yadavas wouldn't make them not participate as they had a lot of intermarriage. The only reason would be that they knew she was meant for someone else. If they all knew not to participate, then Krishna planning this alone only to get Arjuna doesn't compute, does it?

------

Krishna allowing the massacre also assumes Vaishampayana lied when he said Krishna told the Pandavas everything after he returned to camp.

It fails to explain why Krishna's inyel says Ashwatthama intended to attack Pandavas when the target was Dhrishtadyumna and the upapandavas.

It ignores why Dhritharashtra and Gandhari wouldn't use the information to taunt the Pandavas back when taunted. It fails to explain why Vyasa woildnt.

It assumes Pandavas stayed deliberately away when CE says nothing of the sort. If they heard the intel as text clearly says and stayed away, only 2 possibilities are 1) they were killing their own sons which is unlikely or 2) their camp was different.

It fails to explain why Panchali turns conveniently dumb at points in her life only to turn super intelligent at points which suit Krishna.

------

Bottomline is both theories work only in a vacuum where no one else reacts. And that is not possible in a real world. Krishna would've known it was impossible to control all elements in a scheme like you described.

Basically both theories would work only if Krishna were omnipotent and omniscient. In other words, God. But as God, he wouldn't need the tricks.

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Mere pass ek question hai

Meeting of 3 Krishnas as arjun, draupadi, Krishna met first time each 2 other including draupadi , Krishna.

As swayamber was Panchali's first public appearance.

Vyas dint gave any reference where draupadi met Krishna before swayamber .

I talked many people about it all say no krishna not met draupadi before swayamber .

How is Krishna related 2 adoption ?

If I believe ekamansa was draupadi , so what I read it was from vasudev's orders ekamansa was brought up as boy

My info ekamansa went 2 Vindhyachal further given in marriage 2 durvasa. , Krishna met ekamansa in Vindhyachal.

Ekamansa would be nearby age of krishna arjun that's near by 21

Panchali's description of Kumari chaapi definitely is not of 21 , max she was 18 in swayamber

Vidhyanchal etc are folktales, not text.

It isn't difficult to pass off a 21 yo as a 18 yo or even a 16 yo depending on how she looks.

If you're interested, do read this research article which elaborates on Ekanamsa parta in Harivamsa, both northern and southern recensions. She wasn't described as being married.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/606559?seq=1

Registration is free, and it isn't like one of the silly blog papers. There are actual citations.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Vidhyanchal etc are folktales, not text.

It isn't difficult to pass off a 21 yo as a 18 yo or even a 16 yo depending on how she looks.

If you're interested, do read this research article which elaborates on Ekanamsa parta in Harivamsa, both northern and southern recensions. She wasn't described as being married.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/606559?seq=1

Registration is free, and it isn't like one of the silly blog papers. There are actual citations.

Thnks 4 sharing it , maybe she was not married , but she can't be draupadi 2 coz if so no point of hiding it .

Vyas would had surely mentioned it

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Thnks 4 sharing it , maybe she was not married , but she can't be draupadi 2 coz if so no point of hiding it .

Vyas would had surely mentioned it

Do read it before you decide.

Bottomline is Panchali didn't come from fire. Humans don't come from fire.

That I don't believe in divine explanation I've already said.

All theories regarding Panchali's past are bound to have uncertainties. Or they wouldn't be theory. They would be fact. Ekanamsa is the theory which best fits and can actually work in real life with all its biological/physical limitations.

New topic. I think a member from BRC forum said once a girl from one clan married to another, there cannot be reverse marriage as the girl's clan is considered inferior.

But Kunti/Subhadra married Kurus, and Suthanu married Bhanu?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Do read it before you decide.

Bottomline is Panchali didn't come from fire. Humans don't come from fire.

That I don't believe in divine explanation I've already said.

All theories regarding Panchali's past are bound to have uncertainties. Or they wouldn't be theory. They would be fact. Ekanamsa is the theory which best fits and can actually work in real life with all its biological/physical limitations.

I read it but still I m not convinced coz draupadi never known as ekamansa & second age factor , there was no point 4 vedvyas 2 not mention it.

We r free to make assumptions . In South Subhadra arjun have full lovestory but still abduction part is considered truth , so until vedvyas who is d original writer of MB give any thing regard I will definitely not considered it truth when I had read ekanamsa Vindhyachal story & her knowing as vindhyasini

Parijat tree is very available in barabanki uttarpradesh , even archeologist have agreed 2 it , that tree is not any normal tree coz it's 2 big from normal tree also. Tree only produces one flower that 2 in night , there many other different things related 2 it. Now tree has started getting spoiled reason is not known yet . Botanical garden still working in parijat tree project.

But there r two stories running 4 parijat

1) Krishna satyabhama one

2 ) arjun Kunti one

So we can agree to disagree on it.

Scholarly articles generally require hours of dissection and looking up citations before a conclusion is reached.

If you managed to do it in a few minutes, either kudos or as you said, there is nothing to discuss.

It assumes Pandavas stayed deliberately away when CE says nothing of the sort. If they heard the intel

Or 3

3) Krishna told pandavas everything that he discussed with gandhari dhrit and vyasa but did not tell them about attack at all. He also took them and satyaki away, on some pretext. Maybe to check out remnants of kuru camp on the completely opposite side to see if any survivors are there.

I will stick to my theory. Krishna never wanted yudhi as emperor. He never liked him. When he found out about attack he kept quiet.

Also Draupadi's pre adoption life doesnt interest me much. She could be anybody. Wouldnt make any difference to the story.

It is after adoption her life that is important.

She could have obtained her knowledge anywhere. At Drupad's home if born to a concubine or secondary wife. At her biological father's place if she was someone else daughter.

Point is she was intelligent. Just having knowledge doesnt make any difference. It was her wisdom, that is remarkable. And as far as wisdom is concerned it really makes no difference to where a person is raised.

In any case planning was between the men regarding her marriage. She would have been only informed of it to ensure smooth execution. So really makes no difference who she was before

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Scholarly articles generally require hours of dissection and looking up citations before a conclusion is reached.

If you managed to do it in a few minutes, either kudos or as you said, there is nothing to discuss.

D black goddess who is being called nidra , Vishnu assigning him as well transferring balram from devki to rohini & taking birth as yasoda"s daughter .

Kans is being kaalnemi I know this story but here she is termed as nidra , other places she is known as yogmaya, even ekamansa is mentioned as sister 2 balram & vasudev not subhadra definitely.

She is something refer as wife & sometime sister 🤔

Anyway thnks 4 sharing, I appreciate ur effort s