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Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

None of this negates the possibility of Ekanamsa being Panchali which is what I'm leaning toward.

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_004.html

After her (seventh) conception was aborted, devakI conceived (for the eighth time), for which,

kaMsa had destroyed her seven conceptions.

The ministers (of kaMsa) guarded that conception with careful efforts. But then, hari (viShNu) was

residing in her womb at his self will.

The same day, yashodA, conceived nidrA who carries out the instructions of viShNu and who

manifested from viShNu's body.

Before the completion of the normal period of pregnancy, the women, devakI and yashodA

delivered in the eighth month at the same time.

A girl was born to yashodA at the same time of the same night when kR^iShNa, who elevates the

(fame of) vR^iShNi race was born.

One (yashodA) was the wife of nandagopa and the other (devakI) was the wife of vasudeva. Both

yashodA and devakI became pregnant almost at the same time.

In the midnight, at the auspicious time of abhijit, devakI, gave birth to viShNu and yashodA gave

birth to a girl.

Hearing the words of vasudeva, achyuta (viShNu) concealed his form. He persuaded his father to

take him to the house of nandagopa.

vasudeva, fond of his son, quickly carried the boy to the house of yashodA in the night.

Unknown to yashodA, he kept the boy with her and carried the girl to devakI's bed.

Thus the two new-born babies were exchanged. vasudeva was terrified but satisfied. He went out of

the house.

Anakadundubhi (vasudeva) informed kaMsa, son of ugrasena about (the birth of) his beautiful

daughter.

Hearing this, mighty kaMsa, along with guards, quickly reached the entrance of the house of

vasudeva.

At the entrance, immediately, he spoke the harsh words: "Who is born? Hand over the new-born to

me quickly".

Then the women of devakI's house wailed loudly. devakI, lamenting and weeping, spoke with

faltering voice.

She begged kaMsa: This child is a girl. Lord! My seven boys were killed by you as soon as they were

born.

This is a girl. She looks as though she is dead. If you please, kindly give her to me. Seeing the girl,

kaMsa was attracted to her and he felt happy within.

The heartless (vR^ithAmati) kaMsa said: As she is born, this girl is dead.

The child who was in a pathetic condition in the womb, her hair still wet with the water of the

womb, was placed on the earth in front of kaMsa by devakI who is equal to earth (in patience). The

man grabbed the child for throwing her.

He whirled her around and suddenly threw her against the rock forcefully. The girl, who was thrown

against the rock, slipped away and without being hit, rose in the sky.

Suddenly, she gave up the body of the new-born. With disheveled hair, adorned with celestial

garlands and pastes, she addressed kaMsa.

All her limbs were shining with garlands. She was adorned with a dazzling crown. The goddess

remained kanyA forever. She was praised by all deva-s.

She was dressed in blue and yellow. Her breasts were like elephant's heads. Her thighs were as broad

as a chariot. Her face was beautiful like the moon. She had four arms.

Her complexion was bright like lightning. Her eyes were red like the morning sun. Her breasts were

like rain clouds. She appeared like a cloudy twilight.

In the night engulfed by darkness, she dazzled with her bhUtagaNa-s. She danced, laughed and

manifested with opposites.

The terrible Goddess rose in the sky. She drank the best drink. She laughed aloud and admonished

kaMsa.

kaMsa, for your own destruction, you tried to kill me. You threw me all of a sudden against the rock.

Hence, at the time of your death, when your body is dragged by your enemy, I will tear it apart with

my hands and drink the warm blood.

Uttering these terrible words, the goddess along with her followers, roamed in her celestial abode as

she pleased.

That girl grew up there, worshipped by the vR^iShNI-s. As ordered by vasudeva, she was looked

after like a son.

(janamejaya !) Understand that this Goddess is born from a portion of prajApati (brahmA).

Hence she is simultaneously ekAnaMshA - one and without having any portion (division)

(with brahma). The yogakanyA appeared for the protection of keshava.

All yadava-s with good mind worshipped her since she protected kR^iShNa with her divine body

After she disappeared, kaMsa thought that she was indeed his death. He met devakI alone and spoke

to her, ashamed.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vp/vp118.htm

will myself become incarnate in the eighth conception of Devakí; and you shall immediately take a

similar character as the embryo offspring of Yaśodá. In the night of the eighth lunation of the dark

half of the month Nabhas, in the season of the rains, I shall be born. You shall receive birth on the

ninth. Impelled and aided by my power, Vasudeva shall bear me to the bed of Yaśodá, and you to

that of Devakí. Kansa shall take you, and hold you up to dash you against a stone; but you shall

escape from his grasp into the sky, where the hundred-eyed Indra shall meet and do homage to you,

through reverence for me, and shall bow before you, and acknowledge you as his sister. Having slain

Sumbha, Nisumbha, and numerous other demons 25, you shall sanctify the earth in many places 26.

Thou art wealth, progeny, fame, patience, heaven and earth, fortitude, modesty, nutrition, dawn, and

every other female (form or property). They who address thee morning and afternoon with

reverence and praise, and call thee Áryá, Durgá, Vedagarbhá, Ambiká, Bhadrá, Bhadrakálí, Kshemí,

or Kshemankarí, shall receive from my bounty whatever they desire. Propitiated with offerings of

wine and flesh and various viands, thou shalt bestow upon mankind all their prayers. Through my

favour all men shall ever have faith in thee. Assured of this, go, goddess, and execute my

commands."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03217.htm

and that worshipful daughter of Angiras, whom they call unrivalled and without portion (ekanamsa) and about

whom people utter the words kuhu kuhu wonder, is known by the name of Kuhu.

A girl dark in color, called Kuhu or New Moon, who was specifically appointed by Krishna for his plans, who was raised as a son, who was stated to be Angirasa's daughter.

If that is not Panchali's resume, what is?

Lord Vishnu asked yogmaya to take birth as nand yashoda's daughter .

D girl kansa tried 2 kill was yogmaya & sorry draupadi is not related to yogmaya.

It's is said lord krishna has 2 sisters subhadra & nand yashoda's daughter who saved & helped him .

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Lord Vishnu asked yogmaya to take birth as nand yashoda's daughter .

D girl kansa tried 2 kill was yogmaya & sorry draupadi is not related to yogmaya.

It's is said lord krishna has 2 sisters subhadra & nand yashoda's daughter who saved & helped him .

Subhadra was born more than a decade later. She did not help him.

And I do not believe in yogmaya business.

If we try to figure out who this child was, her description fits only Panchali. Even if not her, the child certainly wasn't Subhadra who wasn't born.

Harivamsa doesn't call Subhadra yogmaya, either. Like Radha, it was folktale which got popular.

Nand ji belonged to angirasa clan?? Did they had a son(drishtdyum) too ??

I think all this kuhu/radha/ekmansa were one and the same person who latter was adopted by drapaud and took the name krishnaa/drapaudi/panchali.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Subhadra was born more than a decade later. She did not help him.

And I do not believe in yogmaya business.

If we try to figure out who this child was, her description fits only Panchali. Even if not her, the child certainly wasn't Subhadra who wasn't born.

Harivamsa doesn't call Subhadra yogmaya, either. Like Radha, it was folktale which got popular.

I dint said Subhadra helped him but I said nand yashoda's daughter helped him .

I said subhadra & nand yashoda's daughter r considered sister 2 krishna

Talking about angrisaas what do you think about indrajit bhandopadhy s lost sarswati theory

https://www.boloji.com/articles/48832/draupadi-the-lost-sarasvati-1

https://www.boloji.com/articles/49562/draupadi-the-lost-sarasvati-2

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

I dint said Subhadra helped him but I said nand yashoda's daughter helped him .

I said subhadra & nand yashoda's daughter r considered sister 2 krishna

Actually, Vishnu Purana says Yashoda's daughter was considered sister to INDRA, not Krishna.

escape from his grasp into the sky, where the hundred-eyed Indra shall meet and do homage to you,

through reverence for me, and shall bow before you, and acknowledge you as his sister.

Funny thing I found: Nandagopa and Yashoda are supposed to be reincarnations of Drona (a Vasu) and Dhara. As Vasu, Nandagopa would be Narada's uncle.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Funny thing I found: Nandagopa and Yashoda are supposed to be reincarnations of Drona (a Vasu) and Dhara. As Vasu, Nandagopa would be Narada's uncle.

Acc 2 my knowledge yashoda was kaikayee in her previous birth.

Vasudev was sage kashyap , devki was aditi as they had boon from lord Vishnu that he will take birth as human from this couple only in previous birth kashyap & aditi were dasrath Kaushalya. Rohini was kadru mother of adi shehnaag & other serpants , in previous birth she was sumitra.

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Acc 2 my knowledge yashoda was kaikayee in her previous birth.

Vasudev was sage kashyap , devki was aditi as they had boon from lord Vishnu that he will take birth as human from this couple only in previous birth kashyap & aditi were dasrath Kaushalya. Rohini was kadru mother of adi shehnaag & other serpants , in previous birth she was sumitra.

Drona Vasu was Kashyapa's son. If Nandagopa was called kashyapa, he would be Narada's grandfather.

Pls share source if you remember.

I don't believe in reincarnations, so I'm assuming Kashyapa just meant the head of the clan at the time.

Read the entire transcript, the description does match that of Draupadi. But she is not mentioned as someone important in Sreemad Bhagwatam, HV am not sure.

Considering Drupad needed someone to kill Drona, would Nand/Yashoda's son be interested in it? Brahmhatya isn't something many would like to do afterall.

Anyhow the girl swapped with infant Krishna couldn't be this girl for sure, she couldn't be saved by wrath of Kans in anyway