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Originally posted by: Chiillii

When Dwarka is getting built, Krishna sends Akrura to Hastinapur. This is prior to Rangabhoomi display.

Around the same time Satyaki and Krishna's brother Gada are also enrolled with Drona as students.

He meets Kunti and Vidur who tell him about all the conspiracies of Dhrit and Dury against her sons. Akrura as Krishna's emissary warns Dhrit and tells him to be the uncle he should be and not deprive Pandavas of their rights.

After Kuru Panchal war Bhima goes to Dwarka and trains on advanced mace fighting with Balram. There he must have met Krishna too who is busy establishing Dwarka. While Yudhishtir is made crown prince, Arjun does advanced training with Drona and conquers the neighbouring kingdoms that were troubling Hastinapur. This takes near about 2 to 3 years

Then Lakshagriha happens and Krishn and Balram and Satyaki come to Varnavrat for Pandavas funeral.

However Krishna and Balram leave midway to catch Shatadhanwa Kritaverma and Akrura who killed Satyabhama's father. But they leave satyaki behind to complete the rituals.

After Akrura escapes with Satyabhama's treasure or syamantaka mani, Balram suspects Krishna of hiding it and blaming Akrura. Because he thinks Krishna does not want to give that wealth to Balram and keep it for himself.

Angry Balram goes on self exile to mithila. Duryodhan goes to mithila after him, becomes his student and trains under him.

Then Draupadi Swayamvar happens, where Krishna recognises Pandavas. But the way he identifies each of the brothers and points them to Balram. It is obvious that he has met all of them.

It could also be that at some point before Lakshagriha all the five brothers must have definetly visited Dwarka under the pretext of fetching Bhima or meeting Vasudev and family and thanking them for support.

Or at some.point before Lakshagriha Krishna could have met them while fetching Gada and Satyaki from Gurukul, but may not have met Kunti and vidur

After Swayamvar Balram and Krishna go to Potter's hut and formally introduce themselves to Kunti and touch her feet. Then they touch Yudhishtir's feet.

can u tell me who is gada ?

why bheem 2 balram 4 further training & balram accepted him also ?

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Drapaudi s Swamyvaar. Krishna follows pandavas to their hut and introduces himself

The hero of the Vrishni race (Krishna suspecting the five persons he had seen at the Swayamvara to be none else than the heroes of the Kuru race), came accompanied by the son of Rohini (Valadeva), to the house of the potter where those foremost of men had taken up their quarters. On arriving there, Krishna and Valadeva beheld seated in that potter's house Ajatasanu (Yudhishthira) of well developed and long arms, and his younger brothers passing the splendour of fire sitting around him. Then Vasudeva approaching that foremost of virtuous men--the son of Kunti--and touching the feet of that prince of the Ajamida race, said, 'I am Krishna.'

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01194.htm

I have read this one but it doesn't seem that Pandavas and Krishna don't know each other, Balaram introduces himself too and he trained Bhima

What could be the link between Balaram and Dury, if not their relationship with Kunti?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Vyas ji's son should be one generation after Drona, Ruru. Could she be the same woman?

Below is the genealogy of Rishis

Angirasa - Brihaspati - Bharadvaja - Drona -

Vashishtha - Saktri - Parasara - Vyasa - Suka

Bhrigu - Chyavana - Pramati - Ruru

Bharadvaja was same gen as Pramati, Vyasa was next gen same as Ruru.

So Ghritachi was like an aunt for Vyasa

Balram's mother was Rohini also known as Pauravi. Sister to Somdatta Bahlika and aunt of Kouravas and Pandavas. Bahlikas however aligned with kouravas inspite of Pandavas also being their cousin.

Balram also taught Duryodhan mace fight when he had exiled himself in Mithila after fighting Krishna. Dury wormed his way into Balram's hear there.

Duryodhan and Balram were born in the same year just like Krishna and Arjun were.

Krishna's closeness to Arjun could ve pushed Balram to Duryodhan. Bhima was in my opinion equal to balram or even better though he trained under him. Just like Arjun was better than Drona.

I dont believe Balram was sheshnag. And Bhima's battle score is 5 times better than Balram

Personality wise too Balram is hedonistic wine drinking girl chasing guy, Bhima is not. So Dury who was more closer in personality and more intentionally subservient got into Balram's heart.

As per Indonesian MB, Shalya had three daughters

Rewati married to Balram

Banowati married to Duryodhan

SutiKanti married to Karna.

By the way Indonesian MB is considered least interpolated,

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

If krishna knew Pandavas before the Swamyvaar why did he introduced himself in potter house??

I think he was introducing more to Kunti

There is no chance that Bheem didn't meet Krishna while he was tutoring under Balram

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Balram's mother was Rohini also known as Pauravi. Sister to Somdatta Bahlika and aunt of Kouravas and Pandavas. Bahlikas however aligned with kouravas inspite of Pandavas also being their cousin.

Balram also taught Duryodhan mace fight when he had exiled himself in Mithila after fighting Krishna. Dury wormed his way into Balram's hear there.

Duryodhan and Balram were born in the same year just like Krishna and Arjun were.

Krishna's closeness to Arjun could ve pushed Balram to Duryodhan. Bhima was in my opinion equal to balram or even better though he trained under him. Just like Arjun was better than Drona.

I dont believe Balram was sheshnag. And Bhima's battle score is 5 times better than Balram

Personality wise too Balram is hedonistic wine drinking girl chasing guy, Bhima is not. So Dury who was more closer in personality and more intentionally subservient got into Balram's heart.

As per Indonesian MB, Shalya had three daughters

Rewati married to Balram

Banowati married to Duryodhan

SutiKanti married to Karna.

By the way Indonesian MB is considered least interpolated,

He is only considered as sheshnaag avtar .

Where I can read about balram more ?

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Balram's mother was Rohini also known as Pauravi. Sister to Somdatta Bahlika and aunt of Kouravas and Pandavas. Bahlikas however aligned with kouravas inspite of Pandavas also being their cousin.

Balram also taught Duryodhan mace fight when he had exiled himself in Mithila after fighting Krishna. Dury wormed his way into Balram's hear there.

Duryodhan and Balram were born in the same year just like Krishna and Arjun were.

Krishna's closeness to Arjun could ve pushed Balram to Duryodhan. Bhima was in my opinion equal to balram or even better though he trained under him. Just like Arjun was better than Drona.

I dont believe Balram was sheshnag. And Bhima's battle score is 5 times better than Balram

Personality wise too Balram is hedonistic wine drinking girl chasing guy, Bhima is not. So Dury who was more closer in personality and more intentionally subservient got into Balram's heart.

As per Indonesian MB, Shalya had three daughters

Rewati married to Balram

Banowati married to Duryodhan

SutiKanti married to Karna.

By the way Indonesian MB is considered least interpolated,

I don't know most of the people you have mentioned, so Duty had a link with Krishna and Balaram too

But, Why wouldn't they meet Krishna and Balaram if Bhima trained under Balaram?

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Krishna and Balram formally introduce themselves to kunti. Not to Pandavas. They are just standing there.

They touch yudhishtir's feet because he is older.

The prior interactions of Akrura Balram and Duryodhan are in Harivansh and Bhgvatham.

Please read my updated post. It was getting cut maybe because it was too long. Ive edited it.

1. Introduction is done to the elder, not the son. Therefore, Krishna said it to Kunti. Yudhishtira was not king yet.

2. If Pandavas knew Krishna THEY would've introduced Krishna to Kunti

3. Up to that point, the only time Pandavas were away from Kunti were during their education. Krishna was nowhere near Pandavas at tat time.

4. Pandavas were wandering for at least more than 2 years with no Krishna coming near them. If Krishna knew them, no way he wouldn't have.

5. Balram didn't recognize the Pandavas.

6. Kunti never returned to Mathura or Dwaraka.

7. She once mentioned her brother, Vasudeva, but it was with extreme bitterness.

8. If Krishna knew Arjuna, no way would Janmejaya have passed up an opportunity to puff up his own importance. Heck, he's the guy who got Vaishampayana to say Panchali as more disturbed by Arjuna's absence (when he was cushy and safe in Indra's palace) than by being stripped naked in a court full of men and being made a sex slave.

Easy to connect the dots. The first time Krishna met Pandavas was in the post swayamvara scene.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I don't know most of the people you have mentioned, so Duty had a link with Krishna and Balaram too

But, Why wouldn't they meet Krishna and Balaram if Bhima trained under Balaram?

Bheema trained under Balram when Balram accuses Krishna of murder and thievery and leaves Dwaraka in a huff.

This was after Pandavas were supposed to have died in lac garh.

Since Pandavas were not in a position to send Bheema off on training, then this was after swayamvara

Originally posted by: davis56

I never heard about this story. Can you tell about it in detail and why was balram dragging yamuna ?

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_046.html

The above link is balaram dragging yamuna

https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/10/58/

The above link is Krishna marrying kalindi, daughter of sun god living in yamuna with the help of Arjuna