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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


Panchali is NEVER called Sachi or Indrani by Vyasa in MBh or Harivamsa or Bhagavatham. That scene I posted would've been the perfect place to call her Indrani if so since 5 Indras are mentioned. She is called 2 goddess names. Shri, twice. Sarasvati once, but that wasn't as an avatar, but as likening her and 5 Pandavas to Sarasvati with her 5 elephants.


I think part of the reason she was called Shri was Krishna's obvious affection for her.


One of the theories I'm juggling is this: much like Vyasa, Narada, and Indra were titles, I've heard a couple of people say Vishnu was a title conferred on someone who was Narayana. ie, sleeping man (metaphorically) awakened to action in times of crisis. I remember reading an Indrajit Bandhopadhyay article which said Panchali was Vyasa's intended Narayana much like Mohini was at one point. I vaguely remember hearing Amish Tripathi saying something similar. Later interpolations gave the title to Krishna.


One of the reasons I think it's plausible is her name. Panchali is called KrishnA more times in MBh than Krishna-Govinda is called krishna. It was her birth name while it was merely descriptor for Krishna VAsudeva. Since MBh was an oral tradition for centuries, how easy would it have been to take KrishnA's doings and assign them to Krishna? For ex, take the Ranchod episode. Does anything in Krishna-Govinda's pattern suggest to you he shied away from a fight? Kalyavan killing is actually a very female way of killing - behind the scenes and minimal casualties.


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Anyway, I got involved in this discussion only because the posts in the thread were getting a bit nonsensical (not yours). I mean... to dismiss Krishna's clear affection for Panchali in Vyasa's text takes a great deal of willful blindness.


I'm tempted to ask why? She was an awesome woman, someone who should be considered a role model for the girls of today's India. Does it really matter who liked her and who she liked? As Panchali herself said, she had a duty, and she was prepared to carry it out whether or not the Pandavas stayed with her, whether or not Krishna stayed with her.


She is called Avatar of Sachi here


The faultless Draupadi, slender-waisted like the wasp, was born of a portion of Sachi (the queen of the celestials), in the line of Drupada.


https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01068.htm


The reason for my confusion is because Celestial is mentioned in both places describing Sachi and Celestial Sri



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Thats fascinating, They did give Draupadi's line to Krishna in SP Mahabharata, I won't put it past people who tried to malign her taking away her credit

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Actually, if you go by Devi Purana (clearly a later creation), Radha was Shiva avatar, and Krishna and Panchali were Parvati avatars😆. Arjuna was Vishnu avatar. At the end of the story, Krishna asks Panchali what she wants to do, and she does something along the lines of merging into Krishna. Arjuna returns to Vaikuntha,


Fun stuff! Gender bender avatar!😆


Off Topic -

What do you think of bond between Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu?

You know I love Lord Shiva (😍) but I don't read anything about him, fearing I will imagine something and lightening will strike 🙁🙁🙁

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Sorry. Kali, not Parvati. Apparently, Shiva and Kali were curious how... er... intimacy was experienced by the other gender. 😆


https://www.boloji.com/articles/10893/devi-purana


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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: NoraSM


She is called Avatar of Sachi here


The faultless Draupadi, slender-waisted like the wasp, was born of a portion of Sachi (the queen of the celestials), in the line of Drupada.


https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01068.htm


The reason for my confusion is because Celestial is mentioned in both places describing Sachi and Celestial Sri



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Thats fascinating, They did give Draupadi's line to Krishna in SP Mahabharata, I won't put it past people who tried to malign her taking away her credit


The same portion in CE: ‘O king! I have already told you about the class of apsaras. As instructed by Vasava, theirparts were also born on earth. O lord of men! Sixteen thousand parts of these goddesses wereborn in this world as the wives of Narayana. A part of Shri74 herself was born on earth out oflove. She was born as a faultless daughter in the house of Drupada, from the middle of asacrificial altar. She was neither tall nor short, and had the fragrance of a blue lotus. Her eyeswere long, like lotus leaves. Her hips were well formed. Her hair was long and black. She hadall the auspicious marks on her body and she had the shine of lapis lazuli.75 She charmed theminds of five men who were like Indras. The goddesses Siddhi and Dhriti became the mothersof the five and were known as Kunti and Madri. Mati76 became the daughter of Subala.


Vol1, Sambhava Parva, 61


So that's 3 places where Panchali is called Shri. Notice how the 16K are mentioned Krishna's wives, followed by Shri herself.


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I feel compelled restate: Panchali was Panchali, not Shri, not Sachi, not Indrani, not Sarasvati, not Kali. 😆 There is a scene where her navel is mentioned. Navel is where the umbilical cord connects baby to mother. ie, she was born from a woman, not from fire.

Edited by HearMeRoar - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: NoraSM


Off Topic -

What do you think of bond between Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu?

You know I love Lord Shiva (😍) but I don't read anything about him, fearing I will imagine something and lightening will strike 🙁🙁🙁


Shiva was a cool dude. Think of it in modern terms... long hair, shirtless, smoking you know what😆.

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: NoraSM


Off Topic -

What do you think of bond between Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu?

You know I love Lord Shiva (😍) but I don't read anything about him, fearing I will imagine something and lightening will strike 🙁🙁🙁

a show came last year on Lord Vishnu and Shiva 'Namah' but it didn't work.
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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


The same portion in CE: ‘O king! I have already told you about the class of apsaras. As instructed by Vasava, theirparts were also born on earth. O lord of men! Sixteen thousand parts of these goddesses wereborn in this world as the wives of Narayana. A part of Shri74 herself was born on earth out oflove. She was born as a faultless daughter in the house of Drupada, from the middle of asacrificial altar. She was neither tall nor short, and had the fragrance of a blue lotus. Her eyeswere long, like lotus leaves. Her hips were well formed. Her hair was long and black. She hadall the auspicious marks on her body and she had the shine of lapis lazuli.75 She charmed theminds of five men who were like Indras. The goddesses Siddhi and Dhriti became the mothersof the five and were known as Kunti and Madri. Mati76 became the daughter of Subala.


Vol1, Sambhava Parva, 61


So that's 3 places where Panchali is called Shri. Notice how the 16K are mentioned Krishna's wives, followed by Shri herself.


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I feel compelled restate: Panchali was Panchali, not Shri, not Sachi, not Indrani, not Sarasvati, not Kali. 😆 There is a scene where her navel is mentioned. Navel is where the umbilical cord connects baby to mother. ie, she was born from a woman, not from fire.

I think we have to go to sanskrit text now 🤣 because KMG has added name of Rukmini there, Can you check if "Sachi" or "Rukmini" are mentioned in this part?


And a portion of Sri herself became incarnate on earth, for the gratification of Narayana, in the line of Bhishmaka. And she was by name the chaste Rukmini


Either CE edited Rukmini's portion or KMG added it

Edited by NoraSM - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


Shiva was a cool dude. Think of it in modern terms... long hair, shirtless, smoking you know what😆.

I am definitely going to hell 🤣

The man is Hawt ❤️❤️❤️😍

"Stop Thinking"

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: NoraSM


Off Topic -

What do you think of bond between Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu?

You know I love Lord Shiva (😍) but I don't read anything about him, fearing I will imagine something and lightening will strike 🙁🙁🙁


I want to read the Shiva Trilogy by Amish Tripathi.

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: Lazybird_Silpa

a show came last year on Lord Vishnu and Shiva 'Namah' but it didn't work.

Yeah, I saw trailers but I didn't think actors looked like Mahadev or Narayana

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