Mahabharat Retelecast Discussion Thread 2 - Page 125

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

While not getting involved in the romantic pairing argument, Panchali is mentioned as Sri avatar twice in Mbh. Not just Sri, but an avatar.

CE, Book 1, Vaivahika Parva, 188

ill go from the world of gods to that of men. Salvation is difficult to

obtain there. Let the gods Dharma, Vayu, Maghavan

42 and the Ashvins beget us on our

mother.’ Having heard this, the wielder of the vajra once again spoke to the greatest of the

gods,43 ‘With my semen, I will create a man who can accomplish this task. He will be my son

and will be the fifth among these.’ In his good nature, the illustrious lord with the terrible

bow granted them the wishes they desired. He ordained that the woman, the most beautiful

in the worlds, who was none other than Shri44 herself, would be their wife in the world of

men. Thereafter, accompanied by them,45 he46 went to the god Narayana, who is beyond

measure. He47 approved of everything and thus it was that they were born on earth.

‘“Hari48 plucked two hairs from his body. One was white and the other was black. These

two hairs entered the wombs of two women from the Yadu lineage, Rohini and Devaki. One

of them49 became Baladeva and the second one that was black became Keshava. Those ones

who were like Shakra and were earlier confined in the mountain cavern are none other than

the valorous Pandavas, while the Pandava Savyasachi50 is a part of Shakra.

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https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m18/m18004.htm

He also beheld the princess of Pancala, decked in garlands of lotuses. Having attained to Heaven, she was sitting there, endued with a form possessed of solar splendour. King Yudhishthira suddenly wished to question her. Then the illustrious Indra, the chief of the gods, spoke to him, ‘This one is Sree herself. It was for your sake that she took birth, as the daughter of Drupada, among human beings, issuing not from any mother’s womb, O Yudhishthira, endued with agreeable perfume and capable of delighting the whole world. For your pleasure, she was created by the wielder of the trident. She was born in the race of Drupada and was enjoyed by you all. These five highly blessed Gandharvas endued with the effulgence of fire, and possessed of great energy, were, O king, the sons of Draupadi and yourself.

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That being said, I don't believe in avatars and reincarnations.

Draupadi was avatar of Sri but the Sri here is Celestial Sri, not Goddess Laxmi

First one is where she is mentioned as avatar of celestial Sree, Indra can't appoint or order Goddess Laxmi, he was talking about Queen of Indra not Wife of Lord Vishnu, I provided citation for that one

Same goes for 2nd one, Here Sree is in Swarga Therefore she is Celestial Sree

@bold I don't think anyone would talk about Goddess Laxmi like that

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

We need a new thread ? Whom 2 contact ?

MsChandlerBong opened the thread.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

First one is where she is mentioned as avatar of celestial Sree, Indra can't appoint or order Goddess Laxmi, he was talking about Queen of Indra not Wife of Lord Vishnu

Same goes for 2nd one, Here Sree is in Swarga Therefore she is Celestial Sree

@bold I don't think anyone would talk about Goddess Laxmi like that

Exactly 👍🏼

Originally posted by: NoraSM

First one is where she is mentioned as avatar of celestial Sree, Indra can't appoint or order Goddess Laxmi, he was talking about Queen of Indra not Wife of Lord Vishnu

Same goes for 2nd one, Here Sree is in Swarga Therefore she is Celestial Sree

@bold I don't think anyone would talk about Goddess Laxmi like that

There is no separate Goddess Sri. That's an excuse usually used to explain the discomfort away.

Secondly, Indra didn't appoint. If you read the whole scene, Rudra/Shiva is explaining this to Arjuna. Then they told permission from Hari.

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

There is many theories for radha. I stay in north India , had visited birth place of lord krishna8ke gokul , vrindavan etc. Every place has story radha krishna .

Even some people believe radha don't exist only.

Theories maybe. But she isn't part of any accepted Krishna texts.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I aware of that. It still does not counters my point of reason of whom and why krishna supported.

That's why I gave u example of subhadra .

Lord krishna wanted justice for Draupadi a woman who was wronged by all men present in that sabha , with no fault of her own .

Be it Draupadi be it Subhadra lord krishna reaction would have been d same .

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

There is no separate Goddess Sri. That's an excuse usually used to explain the discomfort away.

Secondly, Indra didn't appoint. If you read the whole scene, Rudra/Shiva is explaining this to Arjuna. Then they told permission from Hari.

Swargalakshmi is also known as shree

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Draupadi was avatar of Sri but the Sri here is Celestial Sri, not Goddess Laxmi

First one is where she is mentioned as avatar of celestial Sree, Indra can't appoint or order Goddess Laxmi, he was talking about Queen of Indra not Wife of Lord Vishnu, I provided citation for that one

Same goes for 2nd one, Here Sree is in Swarga Therefore she is Celestial Sree

@bold I don't think anyone would talk about Goddess Laxmi like that

Laxmi was also the goddess of wealth so when it says pandavas "enjoyed" her it means refers to wealth and prosperity that drapaudi brought in their lives. It also refers to the time when she rescued them from duryodhan and co after yudhishtra royally messed up and it also means army that panchal provide them with in the war. You have to take into consideration that Mahabharata was a poem so naturally there will lot of metaphors similes symbolism not everything has to be taken literally

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Theories maybe. But she isn't part of any accepted Krishna texts.

Maybe she is not part of krishna's text but in reality it she who is worshipped with him world widely .

Even after janamashtami , there radha ashtami is also celebrated.

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Swargalakshmi is also known as shree

There is no Goddess Swargalakshmi, either.

Shri is Lakshmi. No two ways.

Vyasa didn't call Panchali lower case shri for to be the grace of heaven. He called her Shri herself. The goddess.

Actually, I'm not sure why I'm continuing this when I dont believe in avatars😆. Panchali was a flesh and blood woman, born to flesh and blood parents. Looked at that way, Krishna's reaction to her is not simply that of Arjuna's friend. That being said, I don't really care about any of the romances unless and until someone starts shipping her with the wannabe rapist. Then, I get mad.