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Posted: 10 years ago
#51
Here the events are actually being colored very differently using coded words such as 'sulking' and 'jealousy'. The 2 incidents I mentioned above actually show Panchali's hold on Arjun. Somehow that was turned 180 degrees.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: indianprincess


calm down dear,why are u getting hyper? where have i dictated anything to u? u r free to believe what u want and so am i.
the only problem i have with ardi fans is they bash panchali's other husbands to prove their point, which is wrong. Now just coz someone doesn't agree with your points and puts a counter argument, your getting hyper.


I am not getting hyper...I am really irritated to see how a simple post on Arjun n Draupadi is being turned into a wqr zone without reason...The TM is only analyzing the Arjun n Draupadi moments in the epic n putting forward her views...
I find know reason to express displeasure n give counter arguments in a thread like this.

Well I think all fan group bash someone or the other...I dont think I need to tell u how much Ardi is bashed too...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Amrita
Since I am the one doing most of the warring, I will tell you why I am getting irritated.

There are some words and nuances used to undermine and sideline women. I saw that in the posts. The Kamyaka vana and Virat episodes have more to do with Arjun's equation with Panchali.

And I have seen articles and books where KRISHNA maligns and insults and berates Panchali. The Krishna who always supported her and regarded her opinions highly, even more than that of Arjun's! One AO3 article even had him berating her for rejection of Karna!

Discuss ArDi if you want. But when you (or someone else) paints it in such a way that she was doing the pining and the running, expect vehement opposition.
Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuMP

Here the events are actually being colored very differently using coded words such as 'sulking' and 'jealousy'. The 2 incidents I mentioned above actually show Panchali's hold on Arjun. Somehow that was turned 180 degrees.



Why are her emotions being seen like this?
She was a human n there's no harm if she feels this way once in a while...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat



Why are her emotions being seen like this?
She was a human n there's no harm if she feels this way once in a while...


Because in the incidents mentioned, that was not the case. Why is it being changed?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat


I am not getting hyper...I am really irritated to see how a simple post on Arjun n Draupadi is being turned into a wqr zone without reason...The TM is only analyzing the Arjun n Draupadi moments in the epic n putting forward her views...
I find know reason to express displeasure n give counter arguments in a thread like this.

Well I think all fan group bash someone or the other...I dont think I need to tell u how much Ardi is bashed too...

Amrita, even i am a drau fanatic, and at one point to time i too loved ardi.
but after a point it actually gets irritating that this one relationship is discussed on and on and other aspects of her persona are pushed back or simply neglected.
from a bold fiery queen she is being reduced to a woman pinning for a man's love, as a panchali fan i don't like this portrayal of hers.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

Since I am the one doing most of the warring, I will tell you why I am getting irritated.

There are some words and nuances used to undermine and sideline women. I saw that in the posts. The Kamyaka vana and Virat episodes have more to do with Arjun's equation with Panchali.

And I have seen articles and books where KRISHNA maligns and insults and berates Panchali. The Krishna who always supported her and regarded her opinions highly, even more than that of Arjun's! One AO3 article even had him berating her for rejection of Karna!

Discuss ArDi if you want. But when you (or someone else) paints it in such a way that she was doing the pining and the running, expect vehement opposition.

krishna reprimanding panchali is there in BRC, the version i hate the most. In this version even arjun reprimands here when she provokes him to kill karna.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: indianprincess


Amrita, even i am a drau fanatic, and at one point to time i too loved ardi.
but after a point it actually gets irritating that this one relationship is discussed on and on and other aspects of her persona are pushed back or simply neglected.
from a bold fiery queen she is being reduced to a woman pinning for a man's love, as a panchali fan i don't like this portrayal of hers.



It's ok if ur preferences are shifting...I have seen a lot of Ardi lovers turning into Ardi haters...ur not the only one.
But if someone else is rootinh for this pair, then noone has the right to raise objections for the followimg reasons:

The TM has not invented any idea...She is simply quoting from the text.

Noone here is bashing her other husbands...

Noone is demeaning Draupadi here...

As long as these reasons are valid, there is no reason to turn this once-peaceful thread to a war-zone n drwa attention of the moderators...If I had been an Ardi hater, I would have simply stayed away from this thread. As long as the discussiom is going as per epic, n noonr is bashing any character, it's alright to discuss Ardi or any other pair.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

Since I am the one doing most of the warring, I will tell you why I am getting irritated.

There are some words and nuances used to undermine and sideline women. I saw that in the posts. The Kamyaka vana and Virat episodes have more to do with Arjun's equation with Panchali.

And I have seen articles and books where KRISHNA maligns and insults and berates Panchali. The Krishna who always supported her and regarded her opinions highly, even more than that of Arjun's! One AO3 article even had him berating her for rejection of Karna!

Discuss ArDi if you want. But when you (or someone else) paints it in such a way that she was doing the pining and the running, expect vehement opposition.



Not everyone sees Draupadi the way u do.
I too vehemently oppose to the weak characterisation but this thread was made for a different reason or so I feel.
And no matter wat is written in those novels, none of them are authentic like the text we have today...

Besides the pining is subtly there in the text, whether we like it or not. Now if we dismiss that conveniently to fit our own personal beliefs, then that's our choice...We cam only oppose if Draupadi is being portrayed with disrespect or factually incorrectly. Not otherwise.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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What there is in the text has nothing subtle about it. It is almost like bludgeoning people with the idea that she pined. Which is why I think they are interpolations.

And the 2 incidents I mentioned here have clearly been twisted to suggest pining on her part. And I can completely oppose it since they are incorrect.

I will tell you what was subtle in the epic. ARJUN needing to leave on exile after his Gandeev is somehow in Panchali's chambers. ARJUN standing up in the DS and repeating his wife'swords almost verbatim against Yudhi. ARJUN agreeing with her in Kamyaka vana. ARJUN taking on the disguise of a Napunsak to protect her (no man on earth will do that even in this day and age). ARJUN sulking in the UpaK incident because Panchali taunts him. Finally ARJUN bursting like a pressure cooker talking about Yudhi occupying Panchali's bed.

Compare that to the ArSu convo or the exile monologue and they feel added on.

I would say that ARJUN was the one doing the pining and somehow, somewhere people could not stomach the fact that a strong hero could have been pining or that a female could have been the stronger partner and changed her into the one who was doing the running.

You ask why ArDi lovers turn into ArDi haters? This is the prime example.

Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago

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