KARN was A 'Half Rathi' means a Very Small Warrior

Actully These Word Said By Bhism Pitamah Before the war ...Okkk That was just a False Statment to Insult Karn, But Many Believe these Lines & Also It was Very Clear in Original Epic By Ved Vyas That Karn Lost Many Duel Specially against Bhim & Somtime against Arjun So I can Conclued Karn was a Very Inferior Warrior But I am Still Confused By 3 Question ???? Please Anyone answer It ??? If You Know the Answer ...I am talking about Original Epic ...

1.IF Above things is True Then What Is Need of Kunti To Ask DANVEER Karn "Promise Me You will Not Kill any of My 5 Son,They are your Brothers " ,was She Dnt know that Karn will Easily Defeated By Bheem & Arjun Even Sahdev ???
2.What is Need of Ask His Kavach Kundal By Indradev ? was It not Posaaible for HIS son to Kill "HalfRathi" Karn With That Mere Kavach & Kundal ???
3. What Is Need to Kill Unarmed Karn Without His "VIJAYA" BOW ? Karn Was An ADHARMI So What The Hell The GREAT VIJAYA BOW of LORD SHIVA Doing In His Adharmi Hand for such a long time ? And They Kill Bheesm & DRON by Unfair Means Because They are "ATIMAHARATHI" ,But Karn was a Small warrior ,He Should be Killed By A Fair means atleast at War Place ? Wasnt It Insult Of a Great Warrior Arjun ?
I didnt Get These Answer Will You Guyss Please help ?? If Any where Mentioned ??

This was a question which was haunting me too for many days.

This actually makes me feel if Karna was actually a warrior and/or the instances that you have mentioned are even true?

I mean that we all know that the history is written by winners which were Pandavas in this war. Could it not be possible that Karna was just the charioteer of Duryodhan? Or even if a soldier, he was just an ordinary soldier, but later when the Pandavas got to know that Karna was their elder brother, they decided to glorify him, making him the best friend of Duryodhan, making him a man carrying Vijaya, making him seem like warrior who could be defeated only in the most vulnerable condition (i.e. after losing Kawach Kundal, while he was unarmed etc.
I mean just think that Karna was the Angaraj (Anga Pradesh is miles away from Hastinapur) but whenever we find the mention of Duryodhan, Karna is there with him. Did not he have a kingdom to rule. Why was he not there?

Arjun needed to defeat him by treachery, yet he was defeated even by Sahdev (that too not just once), isn't it surprising
Probably Kunti asked Karna to leave the side of Kauravas, so that his life could be saved.

I really want that what I said was wrong because I too like Karna (the one we know) a lot

Any citation to say that Karna's Vijaya bow was Lord Shiva's?

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Any citation to say that Karna's Vijaya bow was Lord Shiva's?

Because in Karna's own words , Vijaya bow was made by Vishwakarma for Indra/Sakra, who fought daityas with it and then passed it on to Parashurama and Parashurama passed it on to his beloved student Karna

Probably you are right. Because the bow of Shiva ji which He gave to Parashurama was broken by Ramji a yug ago

Hiee
so to begin lets start with the title itself...Karna was titled Ardharathi by bheeshma bt as u said it was done to prevent him from fighting his own bros also if sum ppl believe it to be true then its their POV we cant poke into their individual minds nd edit what they say! He was a digvijay then how can he be an inferior one?...moreover its quite clear that Sutas r born frm Kshatriya fathers ie half genes of a kshatriya dad so isnt there a possibility to him be titled ardharathi for this reason ie bcoz he was a half kshatriya... Bheeshma meant to say that Karna without kavach or kundal is complete vulnerable a ardharathi this is acc to me as acc to few pieces on the net he is described as a atimaharathi nd its also written the title was given to him by Krishna just google u will get it... though I myself never came acc any such thing in KMG maybe bcoz I didnt read it full just few pages it maybe be interpolation bt clearly as its written few ppl believe it so its an individual thinking for sure ... Can u give the citations for this dialogue plzz nd in case there is nly mention of duel bet kaju in the arena when Karna exceeds in all terms more than Arjun bt there is no duel bet the two... the Drau swayamvar where both injures eachother equally nd Karna opts out as ju lies that he is jst a brahmin... Next in the Virata war where he rund thrice frm the battle field bt running away is a war strategy used by even Krishna ! Nd the other in final war lemme knw if I m missing something
Also abt bheem he is the same Bheem who defeated Jarasandha in 18 days combat.. whom Karna defeated in the matter of few hours earlier nd was hence gifted a region! Can u provide citations where its mentioned that Saha or bheem defeated Karna? So clearly Karna was no inferior warrior!
Also sumone here did say that maybe interpolations ie later addition by the history writers no offence meant bt its hypothetical completely bcoz if it was written by Ps I dont think they wud have written abt the blooming fship of kadu or abt Durys condition after Karnas death in that way instead wud have gone the starB way!
Also plzz provide sum citations if u can of the Vijay bow if u can!
...hope I did sound logical 😆

Originally posted by: .Sanskruti

... the Drau swayamvar where both injures eachother equally nd Karna opts out as ju lies that he is jst a brahmin...

Arjun is not telling a lie in Draupadi Swayamvar 😳 All five brothers were engaged in studying vedas and they survived on alms so they were Brahmanas by actions/Karma

^ did Arjun say he was born kshatriya nd Brahmin by karma citations plz if yes!
Again as I said its individual thinking nd I did say it clearly no offence meant😊

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Any citation to say that Karna's Vijaya bow was LordShiva's?

Because in Karna's own words , Vijaya bow was made by Vishwakarma for Indra/Sakra, who fought daityas with it and then passed it on to Parashurama and Parashurama passed it on to his beloved student Karna

Well Ya It was Made By Vishwakarma But Also Some Purna (Dnt knw the Exact one ) or Some Version of Mahabharata Said That This Bow was Given to Mahadev by Vishwkarma to Destroy Tripurasur ,Then It went to Parshuram & then to Karn,It mentioned that This Vow Was Very Powerfull ,Even the String of The Bow Couldnt be Destroyed Forget about Whole Bow . & Please Dnt Go Citation of Wikipidia Or Internet Thing ,They Have only half truth ...

Originally posted by: .Sanskruti

^ did Arjun say he was born kshatriya nd Brahmin by karma citations plz if yes!
Again as I said its individual thinking nd I did say it clearly no offence meant😊

Its not about getting offended 😊

Originally posted by: Maverick_me

Its not about getting offended 😊
[DIV]Arjun calling himself Brahmana is by actions and all five brothers were under Snataka vrata and who can take a vow of being Snataka is given in Jarasandha vadha parva
Are you saying one has to be born in Brahmana family to claim one? Karma ,not important?
Again a disclaimer I don't mean offence😉😆

shud I repeat its just an individulal thinking! Thats what I what I meant by it! U took it by karma nd I took it as a statement...ie ppl individual thinking it cant be changed!
The disclaimer runs here too🤣