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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JananiKiDeewani


cant able to see pic yaar!!!!


Really?? 😲 But I can see the pic in your quote also! 😕
Anyways, I have edited and posted the pic again, check it out again. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
thanks for posting pooja's pic sukanya. we get to see her pics like once in a while .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: thearcher

This article says VanaParva talks about Drau's childhood? Is that correct, O Learned People of India Forum?😆 I am learning to talk like a Dwapar Yug vaasi

(credit: http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=16034)


The myth that Draupadi was born of Agni as a grown-up is contradicted by many references in the Mahabharata where Draupadi is said to have a normal childhood.

In Vana-Parva, Draupadi tells about herself that she and her brothers had a natural childhood - and this is conclusive proof from Mahabharata-Text that Draupadi had a normal birth and childhood -

"My father formerly kept a learned Brahmana with him. O bull of the Bharata race, he said all this unto my father. Indeed, these instructions as to duty, uttered by Vrihaspati himself, were first taught to my brothers. It was from them that I heard these afterwards while in my father's house. And, O Yudhishthira, while at intervals of business, I went out (of the inner apartments) and sat on the lap of my father, that learned Brahmana used to recite unto me these truths, sweetly consoling me therewith!"

03,033.055a evam samsthitika siddhir iyam lokasya bharata
03,033.055c citra siddhigatih prokta kalavasthavibhagatah
03,033.056a Brahmanam me pita puurvam vasayam asa pan?itam
03,033.056c so 'sma artham imam praha pitre me bharatarshabha
03,033.057a niitim brhaspatiproktam bhrat?n me 'grahayat pura
03,033.057c tesham samkathyam ashrausham aham etat tada grhe
03,033.058a sa mam rajan karmavatiim agatam aha santvayan
03,033.058c shushruushamanam asiinam pitur anke yudhishthira

If Draupadi could sit on her father's lap (pitur anke), she, certainly, could not have been born a grown-up!

Once, when Krishna refers to Draupadi-putras as child, he says:
"Your father and your uterine brothers proffer them a kingdom and territories; but the boys find no joy in the house of Drupada, or in that of their maternal uncles.

03,180.024a rajyena rashtraish ca nimantryamanah; pitra ca krshne tava sodaraish ca
03,180.024c na Yajnasenasya na matulanam; grheshu bala ratim apnuvanti

The word sodar' suggests same womb. Vyasa could not have used that word (and that too in none other than Krishna's voice!) had Draupadi been born otherwise.

Krishna's words clearly indicate that Draupadi had a normal birth in mother's womb, and all her brothers were born normally too in the same womb - including Dhristadyumna


I think the fire thing is more symbolic. Drupad's anger after his defeat at the hands of Drona burnt like a fire inside him. His kids, Drishtadyumna and Draupadi were conceived during this fiery rage...hence the myth that the twins were born from fire.

I've read this interpretation somewhere and makes complete sense to me
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Posted: 11 years ago
Here is a citation on Rukmini and Draupadi:
Rukmini felt crushed by Draupadi's obsession for Krishna. Feeling diminished, she asked herself why she allowed Krishna to go... Why did she not travel with him... why did she succumb to his argument...? Rukmini was filled with self-doubts. It pained her that she didn't value Draupadi sufficiently. For a woman living with five husbands to contain so much love for her husband was quite extraordinary. Unlike other wives, Rukmini did not feel envious of Draupadi, on the contrary she felt overwhelmed by her bonding with Krishna. Krishna would often say, "If we look for specific identities in men and women, men thrive on ego and women on envy. In reality, envy is a passive emotion of ego and ego is an active emotion of envy." Rukmini comprehended why Draupadi was able to survive in love without envy and was therefore in many ways superior to her five husbands. The brothers had been through troubled waters and all of them deep down nursed internal conflicts with regards to her. But rather than aggravate or provoke them, Draupadi retained a rare balance with her wisdom and composure. And it was because she was so committed that they were able to survive so many crises. Interestingly, the one she desired, worshipped and loved the most also remained the only unblemished, unquestioned relationship of her life.

SOMAAYA, BHAWANA (2010-09-20). KRISHNA - The God Who Lived as Man (Kindle Locations 4232-4243). Pustak Mahal. Kindle Edition.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Thanks for the citation Bheegi di .It was mentioned some where I really don't remember may be skanda purana satyabhamas four daughters were married to upa pandavas ...😳
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: frappie

Thanks for the citation Bheegi di .It was mentioned some where I really don't remember may be skanda purana satyabhamas four daughters were married to upa pandavas ...😳


I thought the Upapandavs died when still unmarried😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
The other wives...

Everyone knows that the five Pandava brothers in the epic Mahabharata shared a wife called Draupadi. What most people do not know is that each of the brothers had other wives too.

In fact, the first brother to get married was not Arjuna or the eldest, Yudhishtira, but the mighty Bhima. After the Kauravas attempted to kill the Pandavas by setting alight their palace (made of lac) on fire, the Pandavas hid in the forest, disguised as the sons of a Brahmin widow. During this time, Bhima killed many Rakshasas such as Baka and Hidimba. Hidimba's sister, impressed by his strength, chose him as husband and they had a son called Ghatotkacha.

Even before this, according to folktales in Rajasthan, and Orissa, Bhima had married a Naga woman. When the Kauravas tried to poison him and drown him in a river, he was saved by Ahuka, a Naga, and taken to the realm of the serpents, where he was given a wife. From that union was born a child called Bilalsen, who played a role in the war later on. In variants of this legend, Bilalsen, also known as Barbareek, was the son of Ghatotkacha, and hence was grandson of Bhima, not son.

The brothers agreed that Draupadi would stay with one brother for a year before moving to the next one, a shrewd move to prevent jealousy and to identity paternity of Draupadi's children. In the four years between, each brother spent time with another wife.

Yudhishtira married Devika, the daughter of Govasana of the Saivya tribe, and begat upon her a son called Yaudheya. Bhima married Valandhara, the daughter of the king of Kashi, and begat upon her a son named Sarvaga. Nakula married Karenumati, the princess of Chedi, and begat upon her a son named Niramitra. Sahadeva obtained Vijaya, the daughter of Dyutimat, the king of Madra, and begat upon her a son named Suhotra. All these wives lived with their sons in the house of their fathers.

When Draupadi agreed to be the common wife, her condition was that she would share her household with no other woman. In other words, disregarding popular practice of the times, the Pandavas could not bring their other wives to Indra-prastha. Arjuna, however, succeeded in bringing one wife in. She was Krishna's sister, Subhadra. And with a little advise from Krishna, she was able to trick her way into the household.

Though Draupadi's favourite, Arjuna had the most number of wives amongst all brothers. The story goes that Arjuna once entered Draupadi's chamber while she was with Yudhishtira. To atone for this trespassing, he went on a pilgrimage'. During this time he married many women.

In the classical Sanskrit retelling, Arjuna married the Naga Ulupi, the princess Chitrangada of Manipur and finally Krishna's sister Subhadra during this pilgrimage. But in Tamil retellings of the Mahabharata, he married totally seven women. One of them was a warrior woman called Ali who refused to marry him but Arjuna was so besotted that he sought Krishna's help. Krishna turned him into a snake and he slipped into Ali's bed at night and frightened her to become his wife. Some say he forced her to be his wife as he managed to spend the night in bed with her in the form of a snake. This clandestinely erotic folktale alludes to Pisacha-vivah, or the marriage by way of ghosts, that is condemned in the Puranas.

Thus the world of the Mahabharata very comfortably refers to polyandry (many husbands for one woman) as well as polygyny (many wives for one man). What is interesting to note is that most storytellers are embarrassed only by the former than the latter; hence there are tales to explain' Draupadi's many husbands but none to explain each Pandava's others


http://devdutt.com/articles/mahabharata/2-of-5-the-other-wives.html

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Posted: 11 years ago
When Hidimba and Draupadi met...
They fought; they spat venom on each other, each trying to wound the other in a manner that would cause the most intense pain. And this, in full view of the assembly of the family elders, great sages, courtiers, and hundreds and hundreds of kings who had assembled at Indraprastha for Yudhisthira's raajaswiya jajna. The fight of course should come as no wonder; what else could be the outcome when one was burning with jealousy and the arrogant other's sense of self-importance went far beyond any reasonable limits.

Hidimbaki (Hidimba, in the classical version) was Bhima's first wife, who was an asuri ("demoness"). She fell in love with Bhima, and wanted to marry him. At that time the Pandavas and Kunti were roaming in the deep forests, having escaped Duryodhana's murderous design in the form of the wax palace. She knew that her brother who was the king of that forest would never allow her to marry a human; in fact, he wanted to eat up those six humans who had strayed into his territory. She gave Bhima the special weapon to kill her brother, and told him the secret to kill him. Thus it was with her help that Bhima killed the demon. And as Bhima was fighting her brother, she was keeping watch over the sleeping Kunti and her other four sons lest some harm befell them. She pleased Kunti with her grace and manners, and an already grateful Kunti blessed her marriage with Bhima. They had a son, who the grandmother named Ghatotkacha. Soon the Pandavas left and Hidimbika stayed behind with her son.

Then the Pandavas married Draupadi. Surely no one cared to inform Hidimbika. They returned to Hastinapura with their newly married wife. Soon they were given half of the kingdom, and Yudhisthira became the king of Indraprastha. He decided to perform theraajaswiya jajna. Here begins the story of the disgraceful quarrel.

The great sage Vyasa pronounced the mantras to light the homa fire, but the fire didn't appear, which surprised Durvasa and other sages. The sage Narada said that this happened because Yuhisthira was issueless, and the gods would not bless such a religious effort by such a patron. Then they thought of Ghatotkacha. Vyasa maintained that since the Pandavas were the five manifestations of the same essence - an argument that was used on several occasions in Saaralaa Mahaabhaarata (rather conveniently, in our view), the many details of which must not detain us here - Ghatotkacha was Yudhisthira's son too. Krishna asked Bhima to invoke his son.

As Ghatotkacha prepared to leave for Indraprastha, he asked his mother what gifts he should take with him. His mother told him what all to take. She then told him that he should first pay obeisance to his father, then to Krishna, then to Vyasa, and then to Yudhisthira, and that he must not bow to any one else. Ghatotkacha told her that out of jealousy and hatred, she was asking him to do something clearly wrong. Draupadi was born of homa fire, was the daughter of a brahmin king, and at the jajna, she would have a special status as Yudhisthira's wife. Hundreds of kings would be paying their respects to her. She would feel insulted if he did not pay obeisance to her, and her anger would destroy him.

His mother told her that he had been ritualistically anointed king of that forest, and as such was like a god to the humans. Besides with her five husbands, Draupadi was nothing but an immoral woman, and paying respects to such a degraded person would only affect one's longevity. But she noticed that Ghatotkacha was afraid; so she decided to accompany him.

Ghatotkacha did as his mother had told him. Draupadi felt humiliated, and she got very angry. She shouted at him that she was an exceptional person, she was the queen of Yudhisthira, she was the daughter of a brahmin king, and her status was far higher than that of the Pandavas. And at his wicked asuri mother behest he had dared to insult her in the august assembly of elders, sages and kings! Then she uttered a horrible curse that his life would be short, and that he would be killed without a fight - a terrible eventuality for a kshatriya ("member of the warrior class") - when a devastating divine weapon would pierce his chest. Poor Ghatotkacha, still a boy, withdrew in fright.

Hidimbika was waiting at the door, since it was improper for a woman to be in an assembly of males, almost all of whom were strangers to her. But she couldn't control herself when she heard Draupadi's curse. She rushed to her, and called her a wretched, sinful woman. How could a virtuous woman have five husbands, she asked. She shouted that her son was a king, and as such was not obliged to bow to her. She said she was aware that her curse would certainly materialize, but her son would still die a hero's death since only a fighter would be hit on the chest. Then she asked her how being his stepmother, nevertheless a mother, she could utter such a terrible curse on her son who was still a boy. She said she couldn't even curse her because she was a barren woman. But one day she would have children, and she cursed that all her five children would be decapitated at the age of seven. Thus these two women killed much of the future of the Pandava lineage. What the enemy did later was a mere formality.

As the two women quarreled, Krishna asked Vyasa to consult his text and tell him how the curses were going to materialize. As the entire assembly listened, Vyasa told Krishna that there would be a terrible war between the Kauravas and the Pandavas. In the night of the second day of Drona's commandership, Karna would invoke a divine weapon that could not be countered. Seeing this, Krishna would ask Ghatotkacha to hide behind Arjuna's chariot, which he would do. As Karna would hurl it at Arjuna, Hanumana, manifest on the top of Arjuna's chariot, would in a flash push the chariot into the nether world. The weapon would thus hit Ghatotkacha on his chest and kill him.

How would Hidimbaki's curse materialize, Krishna then asked Vyasa. The sage told him that as mentioned in the text, after the fall of Duryodhana, he, Krishna would go to Dwarika with the victorious Pandavas, leaving behind Draupadi's children and Dristadyumna in the battlefield to rest there, thinking that with the enemy routed, the place was entirely safe for them. That night Duryodhana would appoint Aswasthama as his commander and Aswasthama would go to the Pandava tents that same night and kill the sleeping Sikhandi, Dristadyumna, and Draupadi's children, thinking that they were the Pandavas. He would bring the severed heads to Duryodhana. In the morning when Duryodhana would recognize the severed heads, he would be terribly upset. Looking at those faces, the grieving Duryodhana would breathe his last.

Krishna was happy. He then went to the fighting women, and comforted them.

On the surface, the main (in fact, the only) issue of the fight between the women was whether Ghatotkacha transgressed the code of conduct by not bowing to Draupadi. And one must note that the code in question was, in all probability, what one might tentatively call a Brahminical (as against aaasuric) code. When they first met her, Bhima, and his mother Kunti were impressed with Hidimbaki for her "cultured" manners, another name for non-asuric, Brahminical manners, as far as they were concerned. When Hitimbaki remained outside the jajna premises, she was following the Brahminical code. When she advised her son who all he must pay obeisance to she was following surely the same code: Bhima, because he was his father, Krishna, because he was Narayana himself, Vyasa, because being a great sage, he was eminently worthy of the king's veneration, and finally Yudhisthira, because he was the greatest of the kings assembled there. Ghatotkacha was a king; he was anointed king with the proper ritualistic procedure. As king, he was not supposed to bow to anyone else. That was what his mother's understanding of the code. In one way however Hidimbaki arguably set aside the code; when she charged Draupadi that she too was a mother to her son and as such should not have pronounce that dreadful curse on him - as a mother, then, was Draupadi not qualified to receive Ghatotkacha's bow?

Draupadi's condemnation of Ghatotkacha derived from the same value system. She was born of the sacred homa fire, she was Yudhisthira's queen, and as such a hundred times more venerable than the Pandavas, and she was the brahmin king Drupad's daughter. One wonders whether she wasn't trying to suggest that she was still a brahmin, notwithstanding the fact that she had married kshatriyas. But in terms of the code under reference, "once a brahmin always a brahmin" did not apply to women.

No one in the assembly considered the issue of the alleged violation of the code by Ghatotkacha. Perhaps things happened too fast for such a thing. And after those terrible curses were uttered, a discussion of the code must have appeared meaningless. In any case, in this episode, Sarala seems to have been more interested in portraying the ugly face of jealousy and hatred than in resolving such uninteresting issues

Besides, why blame anyone. Didn't the script already exist, and all Ghatotkacha, Draupadi and Hidimbaki were doing was playing out their parts? When their turn would come, Krishna, Karna, Aswasthama, etc. would also play out their respective parts. Ephemeral events do not get immortalized when translated into tales. Their tales pre-exist. But where do the tales come from?

Which text did Vyasa consult? Krishna asked him to consult "tohara shaastra ("your text")". The phrase is ambiguous, as many possessive phrases are. It could mean "the text you have written" or "the text you have with you". It is really futile to look for the specifics of the text. It obviously couldn't be Mahabharata, since it depicted the events already taken place - in any version of the origin of this work. Let us take it here as a metaphor; as a mental text. It was in Vyasa's mind - Vyasa, who, as Sarala puts it, was the knower of the past, the present and the future.

When Vyasa told him about the future events, Krishna was delighted:parama saananda hoile chakrapaani (roughly, "Krishna was very happy"). Why was he delighted? Was it intellectual delight arising out of having the knowledge he was seeking? Or was he feeling happy that the existing order would be comprehensively destroyed which would lead to the emergence of a new order? Or was it something else?

Sarala doesn't say anything by way of clarification in this regard. His Krishna is Narayana himself. Krishna's doings for the poet were an enigma - inscrutable are the ways of God, as the saying goes. The enigma was one manifestation of his maayaa ("(divine) illusion"). In deference to the poet, let us not try to probe into Krishna's happiness.


http://saralamahabharat.blogspot.com/2008/05/when-hidimbaki-and-draupadi-met.html


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A Rare Classic Satyabhama-Draupadi Coversation



(Lord Krishna speaking to Queen Satyabhama: Sourced from krishnasmercy.wordpress.com)

One of my friends is a staunch Vaishnavite. One day sometime in 1986, he called on my residence with a Babaji from a Tridandi Gaudiya Math. During the chit-chat, the Babaji by the by narrated six rasa's - a relishable state of mood that gets developed when charged with a positive emotion in association with a strongly desirable person or material possession. These are Shanta (as one gets from one's material possession including a pet), Dasya (as one gets from one's servant), Sakhya (as one gets from one's friend), Batsalya (as one gets from one's child), Madhur (as one gets from one's spouse) and Parakiya (as one gets from a person who legally belongs to another on those aspects). He also said that to live and generate a sustaining interest in one's living, at least one of these rasa's in life is a must. Otherwise, the life will be dry and devoid of meaning. However, among the six rasa's, Parakiya' is the supreme. But if one goes for it in its mundane meaning, the person concerned suffers from bondage ending with enough misery. When directed to God i.e. hands on the worldly duties and mind in God, it liberates and ensues bliss. That had impressed me a lot.

Subsequently, Pratibha Ray's Odia Novel Jagyaseni (1985)' - a character based on Draupadi, fell on my hands. The book was an instant hit on its publication and on account of its popularity it was also later translated into Hindi and English. Although I had read it long ago, one conversation between Satyabhama and Draupadi as given in the book has remained ever with me and its central message has influenced me throughout.

During the days when Pandavas were in exile, Lord Krishna used to go sometimes and camp nearby them. On one such visit, Queen Satyabhama was there with him. She observed that Lord was going to Pandavas too frequently with one or the other pretext and spending more time there with Draupadi. Unable to bear this development, one day Satyabhama went alone to Draupadi and confronted her by saying, Among His Queens, my official rank may be second only to Rukmini but the love that Krishna has for me is above all. Further, I'm also young and beautiful. Hence He should always be after me, especially when there is no third person in our tent to disturb us in this distant forest. Whereas I find that He is more often coming and spending time with you. What is this? Are you not His sister for which you're otherwise called as Krishnaa?'

Draupadi replied, "As a wife, you can give Him five rasa's; whereas I being His sister can give only the first four. Being fully conscious of this inadequacy on my part, I persistently strive to become His with whatever best I can give through these four rasa's and in the process, He has become mine. Whereas, you are in a more advantageous position for having the capability to give Him five rasas; therefore, you thought as a matter of right as to why He should not be yours and in the process, you never attempted to become His. This is the precise reason for Him coming often to me!"

Intellectually convincing though, it would not have been very difficult for a clever woman of famous royal origin like Satyabhama who had a firm grasp over Krishna's heart to infer that the extra mile that Draupadi goes to please Krishna with four rasa's must be at times spilling over to Parakiya'.


http://creative.sulekha.com/a-rare-classic-satyabhama-draupadi-coversation_596433_blog

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