Mahabharat Episode Discussion Thread # 13 - Page 34

Originally posted by: thearcher

I actually did enjoy the episode

2) I read the comments that Bhishma was self aware. I am sorry, that can only mean 2 things. One, he thought his pran was much more important than the well being of the weak. Or, he preferred to side with evil. I prefer the ⭐️Bharat explanation of ignorance, because I like the character and this is the most benign explanation for his action or inactio

3) I understand from the comments that epic Bhishma knew about Krishna from the beginning. I dont mind this version very much, as I am also very much someone who needs to be convinced of things. A doubting Thomas, if you will. Made Bhishma's agony a lot more relatable for me

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Anu which vow are you talking about he never took a vow to sever hastinapur or anything like that

he fought for kauravas because he was the jesht kuru and that was his duty and from his side he many times tried to tell duryodhna not to fight this war as pandvas being demi god and supported by krishna ji will be difficult to defeat

i am not sure when Bheeshma realized krishna ji's true identity perhaps when he showed his
virat roop in hastinapur court but during 9th day of battle he was fully aware who krishna ji is and
hence he throws away his weapons at the sight of krishna ji and starts praying to him

this depiction reduces the devotion Bheeshma had towards Krishna ji

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Anu which vow are you talking about he never took a vow to sever hastinapur or anything like that

he fought for kauravas because he was the jesht kuru and that was his duty and from his side he many times tried to tell duryodhna not to fight this war as pandvas being demi god and supported by krishna ji will be difficult to defeat

i am not sure when Bheeshma realized krishna ji's true identity perhaps when he showed his
virat roop in hastinapur court but during 9th day of battle he was fully aware who krishna ji is and
hence he throws away his weapons at the sight of krishna ji and starts praying to him

this depiction reduces the devotion Bheeshma had towards Krishna ji

Not vow, then. But his being jyesht Kuru is also not as important as protecting the weak. I think that would malign his character even more, by making him more prone to protecting blood rather than justice. In any case, Pandavs were also Kurus, so shouldnt he have been neutral if that was his reason? And, I dont think even the most anti Bhishma people would think he was actually siding with evil. I still prefer to think it was ignorance. I think ⭐️Krishna was making the point that all it takes for evil to triumph is for a few good people to stay silent (out of ignorance here)

Originally posted by: bheegi

Agreed, Bhishma's 'bheeshma pratigya' was a major factor in the Kaurav-Pandav conflict but Krishna never needed to preach him about his 'adharm' or 'lack of karma' Bhishma was enlightened enough to realize his short comings.

upadesho hi murkhanam prakopaaye na shaantaye/payapaanam bhujangaanam kevali vishavardham//
the anger of a ignorent person rises when given words of knowledge, just like after drinking milk a snakes venom quantity increases. same thing happened with dhrit and durry, it wasn't pitamaha's fault if they were murkhs.

Originally posted by: Arijit007

upadesho hi murkhanam prakopaaye na shaantaye/payapaanam bhujangaanam kevali vishavardham//
the anger of a ignorent person rises when given words of knowledge, just like after drinking milk a snakes venom quantity increases. same thing happened with dhrit and durry, it wasn't pitamaha's fault if they were murkhs.

just a doubt - dhirtu was intern king. he was appointed by bheesma. so if bheesma has right to appoint him does nt he have the power to show him the door. yudi is of age, so once they come back, he could have easy made him king. or his power was limited?

Originally posted by: Arijit007

upadesho hi murkhanam prakopaaye na shaantaye/payapaanam bhujangaanam kevali vishavardham//
the anger of a ignorent person rises when given words of knowledge, just like after drinking milk a snakes venom quantity increases. same thing happened with dhrit and durry, it wasn't pitamaha's fault if they were murkhs.

if you are talking about the real pitamaha then you would know that he was aware of this fact that he could die in this war, but he fought this war anyway, do you know why? because he wanted salvation or moksha,he also knew that god himself will be present in the battlefield and he wanted to die in front of him to gain moksha, so he fought the war.

Originally posted by: naq5

im sure the fight wouldnt have happened only if the kauravs dint have his support.[/DIV]

Then why the war continued after day 10?

His decision to side with the Kauravas is so interesting. I've interpreted a different reason. Will post that soon.