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Myraa sengupta

@Myraluvpanchali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#21

@frappie:thnx.. 😛 n whatever u said is very apt n I respect your pov... 😊

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AnuMP

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Posted: 11 years ago

#22

Frapps

I was trying to make the same point

But you did it so beautifully👏

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mahima

@Mahiima16

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Posted: 11 years ago

#23

@anmira67:wonderful post... 😛 I completely agree wid you.
Well according to me during that fateful day,everyone followed dharma.yudhishtira followed his personal dharma and the rest of the pandavas were following their dharma by respecting and supporting yudhishtira.bheeshma choosed to keep his vows and thus follow his dharma,his duty.The fact is that everyone present there followed their own duty and dharma and in the process of following their own dharma they completely forgot that at a certain point in life your life dharma is not about following your own duty but is also about helping others,protecting someone.They completely failed to understand this but lord Krishna saving draupadi proved to all those righteous men that they were wrong,very wrong.And this is the only ultimate truth which prevails,that every man present there was wrong...well this is all what I wanted to say...No offence.

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Myraa sengupta

@Myraluvpanchali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#24

@mahi_wahi:I agree wid you... 😛 I wanted to say this only,n see u have said so perfectly.yes dharma is not always about following your personal duty,but it is also about thinking about others. 😛

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

#25

Very nice post TM.

Frappie and thearcher -- Word!

Yudhishtira and bros. payed for their errors, so did the others who were involved, obviously. Yudhishtira was a good person, nonethless this particular event was a stain on him.

Though, have you heard how doing pooja and charity does not really matter if you are not doing it with complete devotion and the right state of mind.

Pandavas were not actually doing it because they actively wanted to hurt Draupadi or had bad motives towards her or wanted to see her suffer and laugh at it, that is not was in their mind -- they had no ill will towards her. Same for Bhishma and Drona -- not sure about Dhritrashtra -- he was delighted when she was won.

While Kauravas and Co., Karna -- they were doing it to her for the sake of doing it to her -- because they wanted to hurt her and humiliate her and pandavas. It is because that is what it was in their mind when they did it.

Also, the pandavas were of lower status than the random soldier standing in a corner -- no status -- just, slaves. No weapon. They could have just barged in do something about it -- what would have happened? would they have been killed for treason? for revolting? Bheem could have fought with his bare hands -- how long would they have fought? Since IP and HP army all belonged to Kauravas.

But there were many other men with power and weapons to support them -- there was less holding them down compared to the Pandavas. *sigh*

As i have said, Only Krishna was the real man that particular day.

Apart from that, all the other points have been already mentioned by others -- putting in my two cents.😊

Sometimes, i wonder why no one mentions how Pandavas clothes were taken off too-- but, is it because they were men, it doesnt really matter, i guess?🤔 But it makes me feel like an 'extreme' feminist -- and i just ended up feeling guilty because apart from losing everything which they had gained out of their own hard work -- not passed down from daddy, and then they were told to take off clothes too but i often forget. Sorry for the weird crap, yeah.

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ElMystique

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Posted: 11 years ago

#26

Medha i remember your post regarding this A man who rose above Dharma ...

Pandavas did pay for that incident. ...

Yuddhisthira during exile explained Draupadi about his helplessness.

I would like to second your thoughts

since Pandavas were helpless themselves , were victims of cheap conspiracy and didnot personally intend her insult they cannot be included in the list of Dury and co...

Yes even I feel very bad for them their self made majestic Indraprastha out of a barren land has been unrighteously snatched...

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Myraa sengupta

@Myraluvpanchali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#27

@medha.S:thnx... 😛 n well said.
pandavas,bheeshma,drona didn't wanted to hurt panchali,whereas karna n all did it deliberately to hurt her, n yes I agree that there is a big difference in both the cases.but yes all of them were the culprits,all those men present there were erroneous that day and as you said Krishna was the only hero ,the only man that day.

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lika63

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Posted: 11 years ago

#28

for me only pandavas are responsible for vh why blame kauravas.

im nt at all either kauravas fan or pandavas fan.

for me pandavas this mistake is equal to kauravs all mistakes in their life.

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Justitia

@Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Medha.S
Pandavas were not actually doing it because they actively wanted to hurt Draupadi or had bad motives towards her or wanted to see her suffer and laugh at it, that is not was in their mind -- they had no ill will towards her. Same for Bhishma and Drona -- not sure about Dhritrashtra -- he was delighted when she was won.

While Kauravas and Co., Karna -- they were doing it to her for the sake of doing it to her -- because they wanted to hurt her and humiliate her and pandavas. It is because that is what it was in their mind when they did it.

Also, the pandavas were of lower status than the random soldier standing in a corner -- no status -- just, slaves. No weapon. They could have just barged in do something about it -- what would have happened? would they have been killed for treason? for revolting? Bheem could have fought with his bare hands -- how long would they have fought? Since IP and HP army all belonged to Kauravas.

But there were many other men with power and weapons to support them -- there was less holding them down compared to the Pandavas. *sigh*

Bold - Medha, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

This is THE explanation I had been searching for, for such a long time.

You know, when it comes to Draupadi, it is so tempting to think like an "extreme" feminist, and label everybody guilty in the same measure.

Yes, I admit I have been guilty of the same as well...

BUT, most of us (including myself) keep forgetting THE most important thing -

Krishna continued to support the Pandavas even after everything happened.

So, there must've been a reason for it, right?

Heck, Krishna knows better than any of us...

It was Krishna who was Arjun's sarathi, right?

It was Krishna who was the main strategist and tactician of the Pandavas in the Kurukshetra War, right?

Yes, the Pandavas did not act, but as you have very clearly spelt out, they had NO ill will towards Draupadi. It's NOT like they decided,"Let us ruin the life of our wife forever..."

Okay, Yudi had his own set of priorities, but that is the kind of guy he was...so, take him or leave him.

Also, if the Pandavas wanted to INTENTIONALLY hurt Draupadi on THAT fateful day, then why did Bhim bother killing Keechak during the agyaatwaas? Why did he bother tearing Dushy's chest and drinking his blood? Why did Arjun bother killing Karna? Why did Sahdev bother killing Shakuni?

Hmmm...too much time on their hands, I guess...

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riti4u

@riti4u

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Posted: 11 years ago

#30

@shani - its not about pandavas intentionally trying to harm draupadi . Obviously they wont do it.. But having said that their fault can not be disguised with sense of Dharma that they ought to follow. There is no comparison involved in whose faults were greater and whose not... It is about how each men specially her husband failed draupadi at that time..

Why Krishna forgave pandavas or sided with pandavas .. Well cause draupadi forgave them so easily and they were obviously more righteous ones and were victims since they were trapped in this and not accused..

I read all kind of views here - Why it is so hard to accept that Pandavas were at fault for the sense of dharma they chose to follow. Who decides what dharma is ? Thats individual choice and priorities. There is no specific definition of dharma but it definately deals with sense of doing right thing.. Here a woman who is supposedly their wife is being dragged in front of them and being abused and molested. All they could do is hang their head in shame and watch .. Was it right thing to do.. Were they so blinded with their duties and vows..that they forgot what is right and what is wrong... Was it so difficult to break norms there...or breaks vows there.. In the name of dharma how can anyone tolerate such injustice... When they are supposedly most righteous ones... You know there is a popular saying in urdu which translates to zulm karne se jyada sehna gunah hain..

Having said all the above I do get the point of difference between Karna n Kauravas 's actions and Pandavas inaction ..thats probably why one lost and other won... in the end for their battle of justice.

Sorry TM for kind of spamming your post...but felt like just giving my views again..

Edited by riti4u - 11 years ago