Why The Peace Negotiations Track Was Important

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bheegi

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: amritat
Great article Bheegi...👏

Very thoughtful indeed...😊

Every person in the epic, thought about the war from their own perspective...

As for Draupadi being pro-war, I don't think that she wanted killing at this scale. She only wanted the Kauravas, Shakuni, Karna and Jaydrath to be killed.

We cannot overlook that Draupadi was a woman, and even though she was extremely intelligent and different from women of her time, it shouldn't be overlooked that women in those days were more knowledgeable about feminine stuff, than wars and battles.

She probably didn't realize that her desire for justice would bring about such a large scale destruction.

As for the Pandavas, they fought the war to get back their land...Draupadi's vastraharan was only an excuse that was used...Ofcourse, they tried hard to avoid war, but thanks to Duryodhan's insecurity, greed and ego...war eventually took place.

Thanks Amrita. You've a good point. Did Draupadi ever realize the scale of the devastation before the war actually started?

There is one statement from Draupadi that I've read on RM's version I don't like. This is after all her sons die.

Here is the citation: The Pandavas stand helpless, as Panchali is helped down from the chariot. She takes a few hesitant steps, then, sees her sons and collapses. When she regains her senses, hysteria has its way with her: her screams ring through the tragic morning. She beats her breast, tears her hair and cries out her sons' names, her murdered brothers' names. She screams at Yudhishtira, "Are you content now, that you have won the earth by sacrificing your sons?"

Menon, Ramesh (2012-12-09). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering (Kindle Locations 23719-23722). . Kindle Edition.

This tells me that even though she was very pro war, she never realized the consequences of the war till she lost all her sons. As always, her Pandavs were the punching bags for her😆 but I think, they'd learnt to handle her anger by then.

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Niva1

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Posted: 11 years ago

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I loved your post. This peace trip teaches a lot to us through MB characters, most importantly it teaches us that until the very last, peace should be given an attempt. War should always be only very last option.

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bheegi

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: shlvrv_Niva
I loved your post. This peace trip teaches a lot to us through MB characters, most importantly it teaches us that until the very last, peace should be given an attempt. War should always be only very last option.

Thanks Shivrv😊 No doubt, MB is a treasure of life lessons

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: amritat
Great article Bheegi...👏

Very thoughtful indeed...😊

Every person in the epic, thought about the war from their own perspective...

As for Draupadi being pro-war, I don't think that she wanted killing at this scale. She only wanted the Kauravas, Shakuni, Karna and Jaydrath to be killed.

We cannot overlook that Draupadi was a woman, and even though she was extremely intelligent and different from women of her time, it shouldn't be overlooked that women in those days were more knowledgeable about feminine stuff, than wars and battles.

She probably didn't realize that her desire for justice would bring about such a large scale destruction.

As for the Pandavas, they fought the war to get back their land...Draupadi's vastraharan was only an excuse that was used...Ofcourse, they tried hard to avoid war, but thanks to Duryodhan's insecurity, greed and ego...war eventually took place.

completely agree

i think draupadi would have been more than happy if Bhima challenged dury and dusashan for a duel and killed them and arjuna would have done the same with karna

but pandavas had to fight a full fledged war becuase they wanted their kingdom back as well

have never understood why draupadi is thought to be blood thirsty because she was anti peace even pandavas decided to fight this war ultimately for their kingdom.

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Pamalo

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Posted: 11 years ago

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excellent post dear👏👏👏 yes one should learn all these lessons in life.

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xxDaydreameRxx

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Very thoughtful topic! I'm glad someone made a post about this, as it is one of my favourite parts of Mahabharat. Whenever I think about the peace negotiations, there are a lot of things that stand out to me but one of the most primary things is that a justifiable war cannot be fought for revenge but only for justice.

The peace negotiations is the biggest reason why you can only call Draupadi a catalyst, and not a cause of the Kurukshetra War, because I truly believe that had Duryodhan even agreed to giving the Pandavs five villages; they wouldn't have fought it. Had they been thirsty for revenge, any amount of land would always fall short and they could never be satisfied until they killed all the sons of Dhritrasht.

Secondly, the second Duryodhan says that sentence; that he will not give his cousins land the size of a needle; I think it really just showed the extent of his hatred and jealousy toward his cousins. In that moment, he pretty much sealed his fate, because no matter how agreeable anyone may consider him as a son, friend or ruler - the extent of his greed and loathing towards his own relatives overshadows everything.

Lately, I've also been thinking a lot about the role of pratigyas in MB and how various characters will watch wrong-doing happen in front of their eyes, fight battles against righteousness, all to uphold them. And then I think, but Bhim and Arjun also had vowed to kill Duryodhan and Co. but had the peace negotiations been successful, their vows would remain unfulfilled. I think the fact that great heroes like them agreed to pursue peace after being convinced by Krishna despite their individual pratigyas, also really shows the importance of putting the greater good of the world above your personal morality - and that being able to do that is the highest dharma.

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bheegi

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: xxDaydreameRxx
Very thoughtful topic! I'm glad someone made a post about this, as it is one of my favourite parts of Mahabharat. Whenever I think about the peace negotiations, there are a lot of things that stand out to me but one of the most primary things is that a justifiable war cannot be fought for revenge but only for justice.
The peace negotiations is the biggest reason why you can only call Draupadi a catalyst, and not a cause of the Kurukshetra War, because I truly believe that had Duryodhan even agreed to giving the Pandavs five villages; they wouldn't have fought it. Had they been thirsty for revenge, any amount of land would always fall short and they could never be satisfied until they killed all the sons of Dhritrasht.
Secondly, the second Duryodhan says that sentence; that he will not give his cousins land the size of a needle; I think it really just showed the extent of his hatred and jealousy toward his cousins. In that moment, he pretty much sealed his fate, because no matter how agreeable anyone may consider him as a son, friend or ruler - the extent of his greed and loathing towards his own relatives overshadows everything.
Lately, I've also been thinking a lot about the role of pratigyas in MB and how various characters will watch wrong-doing happen in front of their eyes, fight battles against righteousness, all to uphold them. And then I think, but Bhim and Arjun also had vowed to kill Duryodhan and Co. but had the peace negotiations been successful, their vows would remain unfulfilled. I think the fact that great heroes like them agreed to pursue peace after being convinced by Krishna despite their individual pratigyas, also really shows the importance of putting the greater good of the world above your personal morality - and that being able to do that is the highest dharma.

Very well written comment👏

Pandavs were lucky to have the guidance of Krishna and yes, you're right, they would've forgiven the Kauravs and perhaps sacrificed their pratigyas for the greater good of mankind. After the peace talks fell through, they had no choice but to take part in the dharmayudh

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aditi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#28

well i too liked the peace track...

however.. i would like to add a really important point regaurding karna - people many times ask why it was necessary for karna to know the truth... why krishna told him the truth...

but for me it was his last try for peace... if karna would have opted back from the war.. then there would have been no war at all... that is why all those offers were made to him... it also shows the misplaced dharma... like bheeshma.. he too gave more importance to his oath.. rather than humanity...

so in all the true sense krishna did try to stop the war.. using all his anctics...

and there was one dialogue of krishna in the serial " that people choose destiny with their own decisions... it stands so true... everybody there had the chance to change destiny but they chose not to... and god himself gave them a last chance to all - to dhrit, dury ... and even karna... but none of them chose it.. be it any reason.. ego , greed, or loyality...

but none of them understood... that loss of lives was a greater loss than the loss of these things...

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bheegi

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: gupta.aditi20
well i too liked the peace track...
however.. i would like to add a really important point regaurding karna - people many times ask why it was necessary for karna to know the truth... why krishna told him the truth...
but for me it was his last try for peace... if karna would have opted back from the war.. then there would have been no war at all... that is why all those offers were made to him... it also shows the misplaced dharma... like bheeshma.. he too gave more importance to his oath.. rather than humanity...
so in all the true sense krishna did try to stop the war.. using all his anctics...
and there was one dialogue of krishna in the serial " that people choose destiny with their own decisions... it stands so true... everybody there had the chance to change destiny but they chose not to... and god himself gave them a last chance to all - to dhrit, dury ... and even karna... but none of them chose it.. be it any reason.. ego , greed, or loyality...
but none of them understood... that loss of lives was a greater loss than the loss of these things...

Thanks Aditi. Yes, absolutely- Krishna used the 'bhed' element in his negotiations to bring Karna on their side

Krishna's sermons are indeed the best. 😊 and yes, he gives everyone a chance to avoid that last battle in their lives. How many of us heed to that??

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 11 years ago

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See there are some people who will learn only when things go wrong for them. Howmuch ever you try to show those people the right path they will not listen you. They will go only in the path chosen by them and will only listen to words of the people who parrot their thoughts.

But even with them you need to try till last point to check whether there is any point of return so that you can avoid the harmful things in future.

Hence the peace talks were essential to give it all before the destruction that was in offing. But I feel there is something more for peace talks.

While you are negotiating peace you have to talk from a point of strength. I mean peace can be talked between only 2 equal partners , not a strong and weak people.

Hence Krishna becomes the medium for peace talk from Pandava side. He is that one person who equalises Pandavas against the might of HP.

In showing his virat roop in the kurusabha Krishna tries to show the Kaurava side what they are gonna deal with as in many cases fear of the enemy is what begets peace.

But then Duri and co ignored that and went on the path of destruction.

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