Mahabharat Episode Discussion Thread # 10/ DT's Nt pg 121

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#781

Originally posted by: DrModel
If krishna did not suffer casteism them what was:

1. Seniko!!!is gwaler ko Bandhi banalo??? - Vishwaroop Darshan

2. Lekin is Yudhistir ne, is Gwaler ki puja karna uchit samjha... - Sishupal Killed

Duri and Shishupal!!both arrogant buffoons!!!

herdsman was not Krishna's caste.. he was a Yadava.. those who dint like him used his brought up in an offensive language.. The society did not..

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#782

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

No yesterday but months back.. yes I know I made it obvious..

months back??i thought you were not ready to see another's POV and pounced upon all who dared to state something against Mr Sharma or Karna.

Today, you seem to be respectfully speaking to @LeadNitrate and @genie

and if you were holding a grudge for something months back that even I do not remember then what can i say? perhaps like character in epic like fandom😛😆--oh I JOKE1!!

Well that is THAT author's perception. She interpreted it that way. i do not agree; and I interpret it as:

1. first sighting karna went--how beautiful.

2. how dare she say Main sudh putra se vivaah nahin karungi (revenge for that was calling her a wh**e and sugegsting vastra haran)

3. Again my perception--Krishna knew Karna couldnt have mahashakti mahamaya because he was not 5 indras or Shiv's vardaan or Nara or Nara/Narayan--and he knew what Karna's choice would be. He knew all their hearts.

That is my perception.

if Ms Bannerjee is allowed her PoI, then I am allowed my perception too.

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TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#783

Why would I or anyone read RM?, Kmg is used in the forum and that will the utmost translation one must refer to. Read it if you want else dont contest the citations of KMG

In KmG, Krishna says that Sudarshan cannot kill karna, in KMG, Krishna says that for the sake of Arjuna's life, Karna was ripped off, you cannot contest these claims.

It should be me telling you to read KMG because majority of the people use it and referring it is a rule for arguments. And secondly, RM is not considered the finest English translation whereas Kmg is.

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bheegi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#784

I bow to the most prolific and brilliant storyteller of all times- Ved Vyas

His characters are so multi dimensional that even 5000 years later, we have so many points of view, discussions, arguments and fights about them.

I've never taken any sides on this forum as I love you all and love to read everyone's perspective. Ved Vyas must be a happy man. What an inspiration for every writer of this generation. :)

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Ashwini_D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#785

I think the foremost reason KMG is used here, apart from being freely available, is that it is a translation, unlike RM, which is a retelling.

Not that I'm saying KMG is perfect in terms of translation or that RM should be not be used to make citations. KMG is not even a full unabridged version, with some passages being left out.

Ideally the critical edition should be used as the reference text, but since very few have access to a translation, it cannot be so.

I also think that the MB has contradictions within even one version, so don't really know which piece of information to trust in some cases. Just my opinion.

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#786

Originally posted by: DrModel

months back??i thought you were not ready to see another's POV and pounced upon all who dared to state something against Mr Sharma or Karna.

yes months back.. I know you forgot... Against Mr Sharma? I dont remember anyone here speaking against him.. Karna yes I agree.. I do pounce and will do it..

and about other's POV, not really as you say.. but I dont see someone's POV who is not seeing other's POV..

Today, you seem to be respectfully speaking to @LeadNitrate and @genie - I reciprocated

and if you were holding a grudge for something months back that even I do not remember then what can i say? perhaps like character in epic like fandom😛😆--oh I JOKE1!! -

Thank God I dint get your joke 😆 .. and why do you call that grudge? I with all respect to your own request stopped quoting or sharing my POV with you 😊

if Ms Bannerjee is allowed her PoI, then I am allowed my perception too.

I dont deny that.. but here Ms Chitra's POI being banned makes it obvious that the vice versa is also not allowed for the same reason

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#787

Originally posted by: TheWatcher
And secondly, RM is not considered the finest English translation whereas Kmg is.

RM is not a translation at all while KMG is.. how much ever incorrect or altered it is.. RM's Mordern rendering is all about what Mr Ramesh Menon thinks Ved Vyas and all characters of MB meant and thought.. Why will I follow what someone else thinks, while there is something else available which lets me think of my own?

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#788

@Watcher, i tried!its english is 19th century shakespearean.

its not arranged as per paragraph.

And why must I not contest?/its not the book used at Chicago Uni or Crit Edition. or at Oxford

Since the 1800s, A lot more shlokas have come to light/been found.

i am also reading Bibek Debroy's MB to see if there is anything there that says somehting RM does not.

KMG is only used in THIS thread on THIS forum. if you speak to literaries, they will tell you EXACTLY what i am saying.

easiest to read and authentic --RM

most recent translation -- Bibek Debroy 's Crit Ed

in progress verse by verse translation --Chicago Edition

short stories -- JA Joshi

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246851

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Posted: 11 years ago

#789

@Diala: All women were not fire born the most beautiful woman, seeing whom a completely in control Yudi also lost his senses

Beside DrM did not say karna kept on desiring her.

She was desired by him strongly at a point , so he came to the swayamvar, she refused, he got a major ego hurt.

So much so that he carried around for a long time, atleast till VH episode.

So much hatred do not come with moderate feeling.

Anyway, it does not matter.

Krishna offered, karna declined.

end of it.

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#790

Episode begins.. Karna again shares sandesh of invite to the Yudh Bhoomi.. They prepare to leave.. Bhishma remembers his two oaths.. He tells Vidur that he will die in the battle.. Vidur question Icha Mrityu.. Bhishma says he has both Iccha Mrityu and Mrityu Iccha

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