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Nripendra

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1021

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

O dont think it will be.. that might happen when the story goes close to Kurukshetra

so a new twist...

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TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1022

Agreed with Sabhayata, people were ranting about how Karna was whitewashed, Though he wasn't, He did his thing during Vastraharan.

But if a character can be blamed for whitewashing, A "Hero's" Over-glorifying can too be pointed out. I remember "people" posting citations on what Karna did in the epic. If a character can be criticized for being whitewashed, then, a character can be criticized for over-glorifying.

Arjuna did not speak during Vastraharan, He did NOT plan Keechak's killing, He was not the "hero" during Jaydrath. They robbed Bhima of his glory and gave the fake glory to Arjuna.

Can anyone share a citation in which it is written that Arjuna is the sole hero in Mahabharata and others dont matter

Arjuna's fault has been converted into his over-glorification during Vastraharan.

Edited by TheWatcher - 11 years ago

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Nripendra

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1023

Originally posted by: -Shani-

Nope. After the dice hall / VH track, Karna hasn't been shown even once (I think). Even the chandal chaukdi has now virtually been reduced to DDS...😕

SB:Full of twists...😆😆

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Ashwini_D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1024

Originally posted by: DrModel
I liked the jugalbandi more than the thandav.
The thandav seemed either not well choreographed or not well rehearsed.
But you know as well as I do that different choreographers have different expertise so maybe Tusshie would have worked better?

I think the fault lies with Shaheer here. He could not get the basic mudras right and a lot of his movements were lopsided. But he can't be blamed here, because one can easily tell that he has had no formal training in classical dance. And that's hardly a surprise as classical dance, unfortunately, is mostly a female dominated domain in India, inspite of some awesome male dancers and Gurus out there.

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1025

Originally posted by: Abhishek_King
so a new twist...

That is rather old.. without naming there are two visual presentations where the armor and earrings were taken late.. one just before the war and one on the 16th day of war.. I wont blame SB here..

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1026

Bhagwat Puran treats Yudhishthira like a true saint, the dharmaraja always discussing this dharma and that ... Other Pandavas are Yudhishtira's brother.

While MB is MB because it is not the story of just one, there are all these characters, completely developed or constantly developing with their own back stories and dilemma, you have to learn something from all of them... no one is irrelevant, they all are playing a part, pushing the story forward ..

But on the starting of every parva, the first thing you read is?

"Om! Having bowed down to Narayana and Nara, the most exalted male being, and also to the goddess Saraswati, must the word Jaya be uttered"

Correct me if i am wrong, but that is the conclusion of the story put on the starting of every chapter. That is the essence of the Song of Victory for you. That is the meaning and cause of Jaya given to you.

So, MB is more about Arjuna than the Pandavas or anyone else though not just about him, because he alone cannot do everything.

Because why not call Krishna the real Mahanayak? But Krishna is the god here, in the sense that he is the one doing absolutely everything while the others are just his puppets.

MB does not start as the story of Arjuna or ends as the story of Arjuna, but the essence is Arjuna's story but his story can't just be his own because their loads of people in his life, friends, enemies and family ... so it is their story ...

The war and the Geeta is the climax, that is where the story was heading. Getting rid of the bad of that age because the new one won't have enough space to keep it ... and imparting the Knowledge to Arjuna who represents the humanity ... human beings on the brink of destruction, who need guidance and looks for help from the divine.

It is not Yudhishthira because Yudhishthira is not the one who will be discarding all "varieties of dharma" and accept Krishna's words as the ultimate truth ... he is a Dharma gyani himself, he is not going to ask simple common questions like Arjuna does, neither will he just stay quiet and accept everything Krishna says ... Krishna won't be imparting knowledge, he will be debating with Yudhishthira ..

The way Arjuna acts during and before the Geets contradicts his usual self. Because it is being done for our benefit by them.

So it might end up with Yudhishthira reaching his destination, passing test and entering Vishnu's abode ... even there Krishna and Arjuna are waiting for him.

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1027

"Om! Having bowed down to Narayana and Nara, the most exalted male being, and also to the goddess Saraswati, must the word Jaya be uttered"

I dont think this is a part of the STORY.. Why will Ugrasrava or Janamejaya or Sanjaya say this before every Parva? this was probably added when the narration was made into books..

Sabhayata.. not to waste another post.. The hero of MB is the Story.. A cliche dialogue of cine directors I know but that is what I think.. There is no Most Important character that can be unanimously agreed.. not even Krishna.. it is no ones story.. it is everyones story.. I have favorites.. I wont claim they are heros..

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1028

I guess when it come's to mahabharat every one has their own POV's.Its story that tells you so many different things about so many different characters at least for me its hard to pick which character was greater or which character did more heroic thing.I think most of the characters were great and hero's in their own ways.

Peronally for me Mahabharat has always been the story of panadavs.Pandavas who were instruments or weapons of God by the name of krishna ji in establishing dharma on earth and getting rid of adharma.Personally for me its never been the story of a character and his journey its the story of several characters their journey ,their rights their wrongs their destines that intertwine with other destines and teach us the real meaning of life .Not one character's journey.

That is atleast how i view MB its a story in which even heroes aren't perfect and even tactics of God's incarnation for righteousness can be debated on.Its a story about several flawed characters who struggle to find happiness in their life and in the process learn much more and become much better human being.Especially pandavs .Not the story of a hero

But still if any one would ask me who is the main hero of Mahabharat i would say krishna ji.I guess each to their own

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1029

Originally posted by: ...Diala...
"Om! Having bowed down to Narayana and Nara, the most exalted male being, and also to the goddess Saraswati, must the word Jaya be uttered"

I dont think this is a part of the STORY.. Why will Ugrasrava or Janamejaya or Sanjaya say this before every Parva? this was probably added when the narration was made into books..

Sabhayata.. not to waste another post.. The hero of MB is the Story.. A cliche dialogue of cine directors I know but that is what I think.. There is no Most Important character that can be unanimously agreed.. not even Krishna.. it is no ones story.. it is everyones story..

Dunno ..

It is the first verse of all the Parvas ..

Narayanam namaskritya narah chaiv narottamma

Devi saraswati chaiv tatho jaya udeeryet

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bheegi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1030

Just went through the last few pages. So, we are discussing who is the main character of MB?

For me, MB is 'itihaas' and therefore, cannot have one main character. It's a story about dharm and karma illustrated through it's various characters

If Gita says, we are all actors on this large stage and have no significance at an individual level, then why do we need to worry about which character is more important than another? Everyone is role playing and this stage that's set by SP, has just written the script in a different manner.

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