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Krishna himself was manipulative in this avatar, he did so many things that werent any less than shakuni. Wasnt he the one who manipulated the ashwathama elepnant statement, he deliberately asked bheema to aim at duryodhana's thight which his brother Balram strongly opposed . He asked arjun to shoot at karna when he was showing his back which was not fair. He disguised himself as a saadhu to ask for karna's kavaj as he knew he cannot die otherwise.

Originally posted by: riti4u

for your question... I wud blame bheeshma and Satyavati the most...coz they kind of started all this...Bheeshma was someone who had the power to stop all this before it cud have gone worse...but since he made that promise to abide by king's throne...he just became a mute spectator.. and kind of gave strength to dritrashtra n duryodhan ..even shakuni who vowed to destroy hastinapur was on a revenge spree with bheeshma only..It is not his fault that he wanted to be devoted son..but I feel he shud have stood out for right...considering he had power..

It's widely believed that he took an oath to serve the throne but the text doesn't mention it. Whether he took an oath or not..it's pretty clear plus undeniable that he couldn't force the king.

Regarding Shakuni, he took no such oath. In fact, he had no problem with his sister's marriage. Duryodhan monitored his actions, Shakuni wasn't obsessed with the pandavas and had no issues with them.

Coming to Bheeshma vadh, Krishna had no role except that of Arjuna's chariot driver. Bheeshma himself confessed the way to the pandavas.
He couldn't be killed as he had complete mastery over death hence the opponents just needed to avoid him to battle further which was impossible till he had bow in his hand and arrows in quiver. Nobody killed him actually..

Originally posted by: tina59

Krishna himself was manipulative in this avatar, he did so many things that werent any less than shakuni. Wasnt he the one who manipulated the ashwathama elepnant statement, he deliberately asked bheema to aim at duryodhana's thight which his brother Balram strongly opposed . He asked arjun to shoot at karna when he was showing his back which was not fair. He disguised himself as a saadhu to ask for karna's kavaj as he knew he cannot die otherwise.

In mahabharata Krishna and shakuni were two sides of a coin who were manipulative

but in Krishna's defense, it could also be said that he knew that the war had to happen and his avatar would end only if the world ends and the war was needed to start the process and he did everything to turn the wheel in that direction.

yep krishna was clever and that's truth I accept. whether he was a god or human that's different matter. let us focus on war.he did use his brain to ensure the victory for pandavas.otherwise they would have not won.bheeshma had ichha mrityu vardan.he would not die.pandavas had half the army. I donot think going by idealistic rules they would have even chance to win.count no. of gr8 warriors on both side.kauravas had a much bigger advantage. and krishna would not take weapon. I just remember somebody said "wo kare to raasleela pandav kare to character dheela" 😊

ps:infra asked kavach from karna not krishna

Originally posted by: -Shruti

It's widely believed that he took an oath to serve the throne but the text doesn't mention it. Whether he took an oath or not..it's pretty clear plus undeniable that he couldn't force the king.

Regarding Shakuni, he took no such oath. In fact, he had no problem with his sister's marriage. Duryodhan monitored his actions, Shakuni wasn't obsessed with the pandavas and had no issues with them.

in right and by seniority dharmaraj was supposed to be the king
but why shakuni ensured that Duryodhan wants to be the king
duryodhana was fed by shakuni but then who asked Duryodhan to follow him instead he could have taken advice of ghandari ,

Duryodhan represented adharma hence krishna used pandavas to clean up.

the episode where in krishna and drupadi have discussion and finally drupadi agrees to become wife of all 5 pandavas is he jist of mahabhrat,

about who did mistake hehe all did mistake
be is bhisma who took ooth to stand by the throne of hastinapur or dhritarastra who was real blind in his love for his son. ghandhari stupidly deciding to make her self blind to follow her husband list continues

Most characters in mythology are good even ravan was a learned scholer n very good king.No one is black n white.
Pandavas had few shortcomings n so did duryodhan.
The prob with durdhyodhan n other negative charactrs is tht they were greedy n arrogant.Humans hav bit of arrogance.
But wen this becomes too strong tht it starts impacting their judgement thn its wrong.

Dhuri was more grey than the pandavas his ego n greed for power led to his downfall.

Originally posted by: riti4u

ok..may be my belief is more due to shows .. and text books that i have read ... I feel that he did have power to stop king.. instead he fought along kauravas... If he was so right , then why he went against right ones here...for shakuni's part , my facts are only coming from the show ..so yeah probably they are wrong one too... 😊

The king was the supreme and alas he never saw beyond his son! Bheeshm could never give orders to the king..he could only plead/suggest and that he did.

@Bold - He was never against them..I'm trying to understand the reason behind him being the Kaurava commander.

for me krishna is the ultimate hero...n vastra haran was the major turning point of mahabharat..everyone who allowed it to happen suffered n they shud hav suffered no matter hw great personality they wer...I dnt blame krishna evn if he cheated o nt..those ppl deserved it...