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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Bhavaani

Actually no, it isn't Duryodhan, but everyone's beloved Karna who orders the Pandavas and Draupadi to be disrobed:

I wish people would read the actual text before writing these articles and whitewashing characters, who in my opinion do not deserve such hero-worship.

But anyway I don't think we're supposed to discuss this outside of the Vastraharan/Dice game sticky topic. 😊

Completely agree with you...
I really wish some people read the epic before participating in debates related to Mahabharat...
Although various translations of Mahabharat exist, with variations in content, any translation is always better than biased novels like "Mrityunjay", "Karna's Wife", "Palace of Illusions",etc.
I would like to say a few words on this.
Karna is probably the most worshipped character of Mahabharat after Lord Krishna.
Although I have immense respect for Karna, for his good deeds, I completely hate him for his misdeeds too.
But the problem is, some people, who haven't read the epic, fail to understand that no character in Mahabharat, except Lord Krishna, was perfect. Neither Karna, nor Draupadi, nor Arjun, nor Bhishm.
And these people tend to glorify their favourite characters, n justify every action of that character, by accusing other characters.
The most prominent of such characters is Karna.
Some blind fans of Karna, who haven't read the epic, but have read n believed every word of biased novels based on him, tend to raise him to angel-like status n completely overlook his mistakes.
These people look upon Draupadi rejection of Karna as "adharm" but treat Karna misbehaviour during Draupadi's vastraharan as "justified". These people tend to see the whole epic from Karna's point of view, n refuse to listen to any kind of explanation.
Karna was a good man, n a great warrior.
He was generous, usually righteous n an extremely loyal friend. He had no greed for throne or wealth like Duryodhan, n fought for glory. All his life, he wanted only ONE thing, n that was:-
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AS A GREAT WARRIOR.
But, in the quest for glory, n to prove himself to be the best, he focussed his whole life on "defeating Arjun" and supporting Duryodhan, no matter what. That was the very reason of his downfall.
Some people argue fiercely that whatever Karna did during Draupadi's vastraharan was fair, bcoz Draupadi "insulted" him.
But people forget that Draupadi may have hurt Karna, but it was not intentional. She only expressed her preference of her husband in her OWN Swamvar.
She did not attack Karna's character.
Besides, when Draupadi lived, inter-caste marriage was indeed not desirable. That was the norm of the society then. Draupadi only reacted according to the norms of her society.
But Karna's ego was so huge, that he made sure Draupadi paid for what she "said" in the worst possible way. THAT WAS WRONG. Of course, I am NOT blaming Karna alone. Duryodhan, Dushasen n Shakuni n even the Pandavas were responsible for her insult.
Caste System is considered wrong in the 21st Century. But it was not so, 5000 years ago.
So Draupadi's behaviour, at her Swamvar, can SOMEWHAT be justified on the basis of the social setup of her time.
But disrobing a woman, molesting her in public, humiliating her verbally as well as assaulting her physically WAS WRONG in Dwapar Yug, IS WRONG in Kaliyug n WILL ALWAYS BE WRONG in the coming yugas. So the actions of Karna, Duryodhan, Dushasen n Shakuni cannot be justified. NO MATTER WHAT.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: shani88

I would request you to read the original Vyasa's Mahabharata before posting any "external" articles regarding Karna, which "glorify" Karna in any way, or make any attempts to "whitewash" his character.

Karna DID have his role to play in Draupadi's humiliation - be it ordering her disrobing, or even calling her a "w****".



Salute Sir: To propose original version! 👏 But be careful. For almost everything there was contradictory, interpolated or obsolete. And so basically we should applaud honest SP's honest attempt to set everything in honest light...And give us correct version of events.🤢
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Posted: 11 years ago
It is going to be really disheartening to watch this week,next week and next to next week most probably,God knows what duri,dushi and shakunii are planning to do with Pandavas and Drau(Plus this is ⭐️Bharat-the insults and humiliation are going to be worse).The entire atmosphere of the place has a melancholy effect to it😔.
It's going to be difficult to watch this week and next week🤢
I have already seen SBS segment,they were all dressed in heavy robes flowing and touching the ground,with extremely heavy jewels and at the second moment they had nothing,no robes ,not even one gold ring and no Mukut.God know what torture will be done on them
And with Drau its going to be...🤢!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I hope I have patience to watch it.😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
Where is drau with her majestic elephant entry? ONe more reason the Kauravas got burnt, sp bhanumati?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: amritat


Besides, when Draupadi lived, inter-caste marriage was indeed not desirable. That was the norm of the society then. Draupadi only reacted according to the norms of her society.
But Karna's ego was so huge, that he made sure Draupadi paid for what she "said" in the worst possible way. THAT WAS WRONG. Of course, I am NOT blaming Karna alone. Duryodhan, Dushasen n Shakuni n even the Pandavas were responsible for her insult.
Caste System is considered wrong in the 21st Century. But it was not so, 5000 years ago.
So Draupadi's behaviour, at her Swamvar, can SOMEWHAT be justified on the basis of the social setup of her time.


Just to clear, intercaste marriages did occur, but it was always male of higher caste with females of lower caste. That is why drupad could allow brahmins to take part, because as a khatriya, drau was of lower caste to them. This was called Pratilom which was allowed. the reverse , anulom, higher caste female and lower caste male was strictly prohibited. Any child born out of this union was disowned by society.

and Even today, for most of the inter caste marriages, u see the girls side have stronger objection if she is the higher caste.
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Posted: 11 years ago
If Draupadi insults its okay, If Karna insults its not okay.

If you can say that Draupadi's action was "somewhat" justified, I can too say that Karna's action was "somewhat" justified, But why to justify both of their insults?, Cant we just say that both the insults were wrong and cannot be justified under any circumstances, I am not in any case trying to justify Karna's action. But in any case if someone tries to justify Draupadi's action (During her Swayamvar), I will too try to justify Karna's action ( Though it is not justifiable). Yes, Karna did instigate Draupadi's vastraharan but people here are trying to pin point everything on Karna, people saying that he ordered Dushy to bring Draupadi, and people are even saying that It was Karna who told Duryodhana to show his thigh to Draupadi.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

If Draupadi insults its okay, If Karna insults its not okay.

If you can say that Draupadi's action was "somewhat" justified, I can too say that Karna's action was "somewhat" justified, But why to justify both of their insults?, Cant we just say that both the insults were wrong and cannot be justified under any circumstances, I am not in any case trying to justify Karna's action. But in any case if someone tries to justify Draupadi's action (During her Swayamvar), I will too try to justify Karna's action ( Though it is not justifiable). Yes, Karna did instigate Draupadi's vastraharan but people here are trying to pin point everything on Karna, people saying that he ordered Dushy to bring Draupadi, and people are even saying that It was Karna who told Duryodhana to show his thigh to Draupadi.


Nothing , absolutely nothing justfies, fully or partially, dragging a woman in open, humiliating, molesting and disrobing her.

No matter how unjust draupadi's behaviour towards karan was or what sort of paragon Karan was.

And it also does not remove the stench of Karan's mocking, his verbal assaults.

In today's world, it would alone result in multi million dollar harassment lawsuit that may lead to prison term.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I know that Karna's action was not justified ( i said that in my above post as well ), But that doesn't mean Draupadi's action was justified, yes, Karna did instigate Draupadi's vastraharan but he did not order Dushashan to bring Draupadi, He did not tell Duryodhana to show off his thigh to Draupadi, I want Karna to take the blame for what he did, not for a crime which he didn't even commit.
Edited by TheWatcher - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Watcher i do agree that both karna and draupadi did insult each other

but i think we can all agree that none of them deserved that insult

i guess what here people are trying to say is the some section of karna fans try to justify karna's actions by saying Drau also insulted him so its ok whatever he did in a way saying that she deserved it which is wrong and even you agree its not justified.I think that is what most of the members here are trying to point out that justifying karna's actions by using Drau's insult towards him as a reason is wrong.

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Posted: 11 years ago
In today's world we cannot refuse to hire someone for a multitude of reasons including cast, creed, gender etc. But, we can refuse to marry them on those basis. Because marriage is a choice based on one's own assessment, values, preferences, etc. So, even by today's standards Draupadi had every right to reject Karna on the basis of any & every criteria... helmet hair, not hair enough, his daddy's a charioteer, his eyes aren't the right color, he worships the sun, he is friends with Dury, blah blah blah blah.
By the same token Karna even now... defintely now one cannot classify as a courtesan/etc. any woman for being in a committed relationship with five guys. If anything in kali yug that might make her an innocent🤣
In sum, I DISAGREE that D insulted K. She refused him because he wasn't the cast she wanted to marry into. How is that an insult? 😕 Will I cry if some calls me a brahmin and refuses to marry me?! I might think the person has wierd priorities/thinking and rejected me for silly reason, but that is their personal freedom. I won't take that as an insult.
Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 11 years ago

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