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Posted: 11 years ago
I would highly recommend the book

'On the meaning of mahbharata' by V Sukhtankar. It's based on his lectured on Mahbharata

He is brilliant! His analysis of characters is spot on!
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Has any one here read Aryavarta Chronicles?
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Originally posted by: bheegi


Yes, some versions also consider her to be an incarnation of Laxmi. In this incarnation, she was born as a friend of Vishnu. I've read this in several places

thanks 😃
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Sahadev - why he was so quiet

Of Great Fortitude When the five Pandavas were little boys, their father Pandu and their mothers Kunti and Madri lived in exile in the forest. Pandu brought his sons up in that austere secluded atmosphere, with only sages and ascetics for company. Every day Pandu would sit each his sons on his knee and teach them how to be honorable men. One day when Pandu sat Sahadev on his knee, he told his littlest boy this: "You must consume his father's brain"

Then Pandu died, and Madri, Sahadev and Nakula's mother, accepted death so that she could accompany her husband to the next realm. As Pandu lay on his pyre, the Pandava brothers stood with Kunti and watched. The fire was slowly eating it's way through the corpse and as Pandu's head burst from the heat, Sahadev saw his father's brain. To his child's mind he knew exactly what he had to do. It was his father's order. Without a word Sahadev ran up to the flames and reached in, plucking out the matter. While his elders yelled and shrieked, Sahadev took off

Krishna, meanwhile , was far away in Mathura but he knew what was happening. He also knew that if Sahadev managed to do what he wanted, it would be a disaster. Taking the form of an old sage, Krishna manifested himself near where Pandu's body burned and chased after Sahadev. But the little boy had already taken a bite of his father's brain. And with that bite he became enlightened about all that had happened in the history of the world. With a second bite, he became enlightened about all that was happening in the world. And with a third bite, he became enlightened about all that would happen in the future of the world. Sahadev became 'trikal gyani' - a knower of the three times - and even though he was only a little boy he realised that the old sage who was chasing him wasn't really an old sage but the Supreme Lord Himself. Sahadev stopped.

Krishna caught up with him, heaving an exasperated sigh for it was too late. Sahadev knew everything. "You must never reveal what you know," Krishna told Sahadev with a stern voice. But Sahadev wasn't a cheeky little boy for nothing. "What if someone asks me? I can't lie." "If someone asks you then you may tell them. But never tell them more than they ask. And never tell anyone that you know everything so they can ask you."

Sahadev considered this and nodded. "Alright. But Krishna, you have to agree to my request too." "What request is that?" "That you will always protect us five brothers. And if any one of us dies then you must accept death too." Krishna narrowed his eyes. The boy drove a hard bargain. "Agreed." So throughout their lives Sahadev knew everything. He knew about the fire plot of Varnavat even as Duryodhan was manipulating them into it. He knew about the political machinations of the Kauravas. He knew about the loaded dice in the gambling match, he knew what would happen to Draupadi in that gambling hall. He knew who would die and how in the war . He knew that Ashwathama would kill the Pandava children. Every time Sahadev looked at his son, he thought about how his son was going to die. He knew all these terrible things but he could never tell anyone.

Not his brothers, who he was closer to than his own shadow. Not even his wife, Draupadi, who knew all his heart's secrets. He couldn't tell anyone but Krishna. * It was for this reason that Sahadev was the most quiet of the brothers, keeping his thoughts to himself and allowing others to speak up. Imagine the strength that must have taken. To know what disasters will happen but not speak of them anyway . This is why Sahadev was called the most patient man in the world, that he had the fortitude to endure without losing his self-restraint.

Sometimes it's best not to speak, even when we know the truth. Sometimes disastrous things have to run their course for the earth to become clean and unburdened once more. Sahadev understood this. He and Krishna both understood this.



Joshi, J.A. (2013-11-30). Hidden Gems (J.A. Joshi's Mahabharat) (Kindle Locations 99-102). J.A. Joshi. Kindle Edition.
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@Bheegi- thanks for sharing that piece on Sahedev. We hardly get to read about twin brothers... this was interesting information😊
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Originally posted by: srishtisingh

now many events in starbharat are explained as they are picked from foreign versions

yeah thats true..but their mixing up of things from each is making this more confusing
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from fb about bheel mahabharat
Mahabharata Folklore : Dhongri Bhills
The Bheel Mahabharata
From Painted word by G.N. Devy on Dhongri
Bhil legends
I had used Major RC Temple to start writing
the Punjabi Bhil legends
https://www.facebook.com/
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519935428119344?stream_ref=5
Stories from this Bheel Mahabharata are
presented in lurid way on net and are mostly
incorrect as they are shown episodically. The
Devi is in the details.
The Dhongri bhil legend was introduced in
1990s by one researcher who worked with
them. The Panjab legends were collected by
several British officials and researchers going
back 150 years. Both could be old but are
not canonical. They may change even locally.
What follows is the Dhongri Bhil legend. This
is not Mahabharata and though it borrows
characters from it, the events many times
are varied and also in different orders. It
may be Bhila understanding of the epic. All
gods are blond and blue eyed white skinned.
Long story short, It shows the several same
episodes as Mahabharata but with huge
variations, some of which I will list. There is
no Karna here, so don't get excited. There is
a Kiran here and there is a commander of
Kauravas who has small role. Kiran is a
younger Pandava. Also, the sons of Pandavas
are called Pandavas so Abhimanyu et all are
also called Pandavas.
Ganga has several children who she take
away for other tasks. Later on, three older
brothers and sister of Bheeshma come back
to advise Shantanu and Bheeshma. So there
is constant interaction with Bheeshma and
his siblings.
Gangeya is the father of his sisters-in-law's
children. They were to appear without
clothes, one closed eyes and other had a
yellow cover. Thus Dhritrashtra and Pandu
were born. ...
Seven Rishis were in deep meditation and
they had established the Trident in middle of
the ashrama. Sivasakti tried to disrupt the
meditation and came as eagle. Eagle
unfortunately impaled itself on the Trident
and died. From the bones was born Gandhari
and flesh and blood was born Kunti. Both
girls were raised by the Rishis. One was nice,
other was naughty. Kunti was seen one day
by Surya who was besotted to her and
entered her womb. Kunti buried the
jyotipunja of the womb in the field. She then
returned to the Rishis.
Gandhari stole the boon of 78 sons from
Kunti and Kunti cried. The Rishi took Kunti to
a rock/dung heap in the field and lifted it.
There were hundred worms there, five
scorpions came and killed them. The Rishi
asked what do you want worms or scorpions.
She asked for scorpions.
Dhritrashtra married Gandhari and got 78
sons and kingdom. So did Pandu who
married Kunti and got his kingdom. Kunti
could not find the stone where she had left
the jyotipunja. Kunti was bathing in sea and
Yamaraja fell in love. Nine months and nine
days later Dharmaraja was born. From Agni
was born Arjuna, from Wind, Bhima, from
Mahadeva was born Sahadeva, from Indra
was born Nakula.
Pandavas grew up powerful and just. Long
story short, one day Pandu kills a pair of
deer blessed with lordship of forest by
mistake and dies because of their curse.
Dharmaraja is crowned and becomes a great
ruler. They were like gods on earth and their
fame spread and their kingdom grew. The
Kauravas saw all this with envy and jealousy.
They kept quiet.
Pandavas conquered nations and married
many brides including Draupadi. She was of
blue lotus color and with dark hair.
One day, Dubla Mali and his wife Mansa
Malin (gardeners of Dhritrashtra) discussed
that they are too old so they should retire.
Dubla goes to court and asks for one field,
one pit of compost and one well.
Duryodhana gave this as retirement gift to
the old Mali. The description of court of
Kauravas is utter luxury from gifts send by
their brothers. Small-eyed thin mustachioed
nobles engaged in self-serving discussions.
The Mali travels to Kathiawar and gets a
water wheel. They go to Kunbi patel and get
a cart, shovel and other equipment. They fill
the cart with compost and start working on
the field. Mansa finds a huge stone and
could move it after tying her saree. The
jyotipunja escape into the saree and Mansa
gets a little baby boy. She prays to gods and
she is able to breast feed the child. They had
no children so they name the child shining
like sunray as Kiran. The child grows on the
field. One day when he was running the
water wheel with the white bulls, the Kaurava
elephant came and started drinking water.
Kiran went to the cowherd and complained.
When he did not listen, Kiran went to the
elephant who lowered his head. Kiran took
the chain around the elephant and hit him
hard with it. The head of elephant separated
and he threw it into the sea. The body fell
into the well.
Kirana went back to watering with the bulls
while Cowherd ran to Duryodhana and
complained. The 78 brothers came out with
their army and attacked the child. Before
that, Dubla had run to the Pandavas and as
they were out, the Queen gave him the bow
and arrow and said that Kauravas will be
afraid of the bow and arrow.
As Duryodhana and his brothers came, they
saw the child clutching the Pandava bow and
Pandava arrow. Afraid of the child and
realizing he is a Pandava, the Kauravas ran
away. The Queen saw the conflict and said to
Dubla and Mansa that the child is probably a
Pandava and should stay with them. The
Pandavas give the kingdom of Gokulgarh to
Kiran and he is now called Kiran Kunwar or
Kiran the prince.
Pandavas react differently to their new
brother. Dharmaraja is welcoming and
appoints teachers. Bhima shares his food.
Arjuna is dismissive because he is planning a
fourteen year expedition. Nakula and
Sahadeva are happy but busy.
Anyway fourteen years elapse. Arjun returns
from the long expedition. Then Khandava
vana daha happens. Arjuna burns the forest
at request of his father Agni. Tribals are
displaced and they worship their mother
goddess, Dophan.
(The fourteen year expedition is also in
Garwhal Mahabharata legends.)
Million gods assemble, Dophan comes at the
meeting on her huge tiger. She is most
powerful and ruler of all gods. She decides
that Pandavas will die for the actions of Agni.
Gods beseech her to give them time to fulfill
all the tasks. Gods plead for their children
and so are asked to leave their position. New
gods are created. We experience the power
of Dophan as chief goddess.
Pandavas continue their tasks. Punishing
rakshsasa, unjust kings. Their sons grow up
and continue on the same path. Abhimanyu
is a demon reborn. He has all the dark
aspects of the Moon as well as the great
warrior skills and sense of good path
engendered by his mothers. Abhimanyu
eventually even interferes in the affairs of
the heaven and runs off with wife of current
Indra (not Nakula's father). His other wives
are Vasuki's daughter Hirapath from Padma
Nagini and Uttara.
Arjuna is away on long expedition to Vasuki's
lands when Bharata war happens. In the end,
Pandavas have defeated all enemies and all
that remains are seven forts of Kauravas.
Abhimanyu remembers that he knows how to
destroy six and Bhima would handle seventh.
So this way, 78 kauravas and 7 forts are
destroyed. As Abhimanyu is standing by
resting his chin on the bow, a mouse cuts
his bowstring the bow snaps and kills him.
Krishna was the mouse who did it to trap eko
danava. (The second Arjuna expedition is in
Garhwal Mahabharata also where Arjuna is
killed by Iravan like Babruvahana kills him in
Epic and is revived.)
Thus all their tasks are fulfilled. One day,
Dropdi their queen was travelling in the
forest when tribals on instructions from
Goddess Dophan kidnap her. When Pandavas
reach Kadali forest, they see Dophan
disguised as their queen. She has blonde hair
and white skin. But to all she looks like she
has lotus skin and black hair. Bhima sees
through disguise but Dharmaraja stops him
from speaking.
At night, Dropdi comes to Dharmarajas
room. She asks him that her feet are hurting
so Dharamaraja starts pressing her feet.
While doing that, he touches her feet and
salutes her. He says if wife can touch feet
then so can husband. Dophan is perplexed,
this one is good and Just. She tells him that
she is here to kill the Pandavas. He prays for
forgiveness and offers his life so his brothers
will live. She is further perplexed. He
answers her questions and asks her to
destroy their weaknesses. Dophan realizes
that if she does that, they become like gods
and have to leave anyway. She agrees. She
blesses Yudhishthara who rises to heaven
soon in earthly coils. Sahadeva becomes
Mahadeva and Nakula becomes Indra.
(Bheels worship Mahadeva Sahadeva in their
prayers. This changing of gods also indicates
that Bhilas move around the forest and they
make small shrines and rebuilt them when
they move.)
Bhima sees Dharmaraja worshipping Dophan
and is stunned. Few days later, she comes to
Bhima. Bhima has no weaknesses except
food. Dophan asks him to get food for her
Guru Bala Hara. Guru specifically asks Bhima
to get food himself. So Bhima becomes a
Bull and tills the field himself, grows the
food while eating grass. He realizes how
difficult it is to grow food and thus achieves
his Nirvana. That leaves Arjuna.
One day Dophan is sleeping and her blonde
hair is blown away and reaches Vasuki, her
husband. He climbs to earth using the hair.
(The story is same as Punjab legend where
Parikshita climbs down to Vasuki's daughter
Niwal Devi and UP legends of Parikshita and
daughter of Vasuki).
In Bhil legend, the climb is to seven storyed
palace, in Panjab it is down through seven
deep wells.
He reaches the palace at Hastinapur and
defeats Arjuna. Arjuna's ahankar is
destroyed. At this point, Dophan asks Arjuna
to ask help from Kunwar. This Kunwar may
not be Kiran, he is just called Kunwar from
this point. (In Punjab legends, after several
failed attempts by Nagas Chhimba, Sutak,
Patak where Niwal is able to revive Parikshita
again and again from death, Takshaka finally
kills Parikshita. There Niwal Dal or Nawal
Devi asks for help from young Dhanvanatari
the doctor, a younger prince or Kunwar.)
Arjuna calls Kunwar but when he comes
Arjuna had raised his leg and showed him
bottom of his feet. Kunwar asks why that was
done? Arjuna explains that those whose
father is not known (aka whose name is not
famous) can be treated as bottom of the foot
by all the society. Kunwar goes to Mansa who
describes how he was born as a jyotipunja so
Kunwar now travels east and after many
adventures makes a name for himself. Surya
gives him a burning blade to kill Vasuki.
When Kunwar returns, he finds Dophan
waiting. She explains to him that his brother
was defeated by Vasuki and how she had
created the illusion. Real Draupadi is in tribal
villages healing the sick and taking care of
orphans. Vasuki also now is very proud after
defeating Arjuna so needs to be checked.
Kunwar puts the burning blade on ground
and as Vasuki walks past (Vasuki is a snake
below waist so is rolling past) and the
burning blade burns of eight of nine hoods.
That's why snakes now have one hood.
Dophan happy that she has "killed" the
Pandavas leave and Draupadi returns. Arjuna
rules for a long time and Kunwar is his right
hand man and one fine day Arjuna goes to
Himalayas with Draupadi making his son as
King.
(In Punjab legends, Parikshita dies,
Janamejaya and his cousins gets powerful
weapons from Surya and restores the
Pandava rule and burns most of Nagas in the
war. Vapushtama wife of janamjeya is
kidnapped by Manvaka son to Vasuki but is
rescued later by Janamjeya's cousin burning
the nagas and their brahmin supporters. In
Himachal legends, later descendents of
Pandavas beseech help against Vasuki from
their ancestors and Ancestress appears and
kills eight sons of Vasuki. I had started
writing the Punjab legends long time back.
It's very detailed and long. Basically they are
indicating a Naga -Human struggle in next
generation. In this Dhongri version, Vasuki is
woken by the hair of Goddess Dophan, in
Punjab legend, a dream of a hunter's
paradise. Vasuki's wives names are same in
both legends.)
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One version of MB states, as sahadev was going to Take a fourth bite, Krishna disguised as a old monk came and stopped him. With 4th bite he would have known paramatma and Sahy was not ready spiritually. He also knew to dissuade sahadev, most obedient of pandavas will be a hard job. And it was.
Sahadev refused to let the brain go citing it was last wish of his father. Krishna then had to bargain with him. Sahadev knew who this monk in disguise was and he exacted a promise krishna will always stay by him snd his brothers and protect them. Specially he will take care or Arjuna whenever he was bereft. And he drove a hard bargain, saying you would not stay on earth if any one of us dies, thus ensuring their heAlthy lives till krishna wishes to die. Krishn Granted all those in exchange of his silence.
Thus was sahadev of great forbearance. He knew all, but could and would not say. He learnt to take things as they come. Knowing the results he dis his work dispassionately. Sahadev was the true karmayogi described in gita, dukheshanudbignamana, sukhen sthithadi...
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mamaji ka moocha has a life of its own,it twiched and danced separately from mamaji's smirk when duri started his asu vara kahani😆😆

Today balraam was the show stealer and his dialogues were spot on too
although why he added yadava army I do not know
He himself refrained for war.
Every one knew the side balram will be, he will finish 18 Akshouhini in one day, that dude could move an entire city with his halayudha.
Balraam always was a bit partial to duri, to make up for kanha's partiality to pandavas

And yes, in udyog parva, after being brained washed by duri and his love for duri, he did say stuff about yudi what he said today.
Gyani people can look into holy grail for thusly and thouly

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Ponderously, Balarama continued, "Krishna says the Pandavas want only half the Kuru kingdom. Now this is noble of them and I think Dhritarashtra's sons should be grateful. It is just the course to take to avoid a war. I agree that we should send an honorable messenger to Hastinapura to ask for half the kingdom." Krishna was a little perplexed; his brother seemed to be endorsing every word he himself had said. Balarama was only warming up. "The messenger should go to Hastinapura with his mission clear in his mind: to pacify Duryodhana. He must greet Bheeshma, Dhritarashtra, Drona, Aswatthama, Vidura and Kripa decorously." There was some murmuring at this. However, Balarama went on, impervious, "He must speak respectfully to Shakuni and Karna and be the soul of courtesy to Duryodhana and his brothers. He must submit Yudhishtira's plea humbly in Hastinapura." By now , there were loud noises of dissent in the sabha and Krishna glanced at Arjuna with a twinkle in his eye. Balarama held up his hands to silence the protests. He said, "Duryodhana must not be provoked or antagonized, or all hope of peace will be lost! For, let me tell you, Duryodhana was not solely to blame for what happened. What about Yudhishtira's part in the gambling? Should an emperor gamble away everything he owns, his brothers and his wife? There is no excuse for what Yudhishtira did. He was foolish. I have heard the Kauravas repeatedly tried to persuade him not to play. But he would not listen to them." A shocked silence had fallen. No one spoke out of respect for Krishna and for Balarama himself. Balarama mistook the silence for approval, while his brother sat smiling openly now. Balarama ploughed on. "Yudhishtira is a notoriously bad dice-player. Yet, he must play. There were a hundred players in Hastinapura as bad as himself. Why did he choose to play Shakuni, who is the best player on earth? Yudhishtira is obstinate. Repeatedly, Shakuni beat him , but he would not stop. Again and again, Shakuni asked him if he hadn't lost enough. Yudhishtira would not accept defeat. He played on, until he had lost even himself. But how can Duryodhana or Shakuni be blamed if Yudhishtira insisted on losing everything he had to them?" He paused. He was not a natural speaker and fumbled for words. Yudhishtira had grown tense, but managed a rueful smile from time to time. Most of the sabha realized why Balarama was speaking like this: he had certainly heard a very special version of the game of dice from Duryodhana, whom he still doted on. Quite oblivious of the effect his words were having, Balarama continued, "And since Duryodhana cannot be blamed for what Yudhishtira brought upon himself, we must be careful that our messenger speaks in a conciliatory manner to the Kauravas. I say we must prevent war at all costs. Our messenger must be a soft-spoken man, a master of diplomacy." Yudhishtira still said nothing, but the line of his jaw was tight and there was hurt in his eyes. Balarama had not finished, but before he could say any more Satyaki jumped up in rage, "A man's words mirror his heart! There have always been both brave men and cowards in this world and all men are one or the other. Why, both types are found in the same family. From the same tree, grow branches that are either fruitful or barren . Yet, O Balarama, I am not as upset by what you say as by the silence of these others that let you speak without protest. Your foolish words are like arrows in the Pandavas' hearts and you still haven't finished!" Satyaki had a powerful voice and he was an orator when roused. "I don't see how anyone can think for a moment that Yudhishtira is to blame for what happened in Hastinapura thirteen years ago. And I cannot bear to listen to you accuse this saint among men, as casually as you do. How , my lord, do you say Yudhishtira had any choice in the game of dice ? As a kshatriya could he refuse to play? Did they play in Indraprastha , where the game might have been fair? Isn't it clear the game of dice was a plot hatched by Duryodhana and Shakuni?" Satyaki was shaking and drew a breath to calm himself. "And now, hasn't Yudhishtira served every last day of his exile and some more besides, from what I hear? Why should he send a humble messenger or a conciliatory message to that monster ? Isn't this the Kuru kingdom we are talking of, most of which Yudhishtira's father conquered and his brothers much of the rest? Why should Yudhishtira beg for it? Why should he be anxious about annoying Duryodhana? Balarama, even if Yudhishtira were in the wrong, there is no need for him to placate Duryodhana; and Yudhishtira is far from being in the wrong. To keep his word he has spent thirteen years in the jungle. You will not find another man like him on this earth; he is as noble as Rama was. Since you exonerate Duryodhana so completely, I ask you to consider the message Dhritarashtra's son sent from Hastinapura. We have seen Arjuna before the ajnatavasa was over. You must go back into exile for another twelve years.' Do you say, Balarama, this is what a loving cousin does? You have a unique picture of what happened in Hastinapura on the day of the gambling: one so far removed from the truth that it is laughable. You never mentioned how Vidura begged Duryodhana to relent and return the Pandavas' kingdom to them. But your favorite sishya would not! Was it part of Duryodhana's dharma, also, that Draupadi was dragged into the Kuru sabha and Dusasana tried to strip her naked? My lord, there must be some limit to your fatuousness!" Satyaki turned to Yudhishtira, "Send me as your messenger to Hastinapura. I will speak to that devil in the only language he will understand: the tongue of burning arrows. I will bring him to your feet, Yudhishtira, or I will kill them all, the cowards!" He paused, as if a more attractive idea struck him. "And if it is war they want, why should we be afraid of them? Who in this world can stand against Arjuna and Krishna, or this Satyaki? Who will face Bheema? When Nakula and Sahadeva take the field, which Kaurava will ride against them? Who will fight Shikhandi and Dhrishtadyumna? How will they contain Gada, Samba and Pradyumna? Which of them will face Abhimanyu? Our enemies are rotted soft with the sins moldering in their hearts. How will they stand against the forces of dharma? We all know Duryodhana. He will never give back the kingdom and I think gentle Yudhishtira knows this as well as any man here. Why should our emperor, for whom we are all ready to die, demean himself with an obsequious message to a serpent who has always done his best to destroy him and his family? No! Yudhishtira should send word to Duryodhana that he must return what no longer belongs to him, at once, or prepare to meet death on the field of battle." Satyaki sat down with a final glower at Balarama. The sabha burst into loud applause. Yudhishtira smiled gratefully at the young Yadava. Krishna had an inscrutable and, now, rather faraway look in his eyes. The time had come for an elder to speak and Drupada rose.

Menon, Ramesh (2012-12-09). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering (Kindle Locations 14865-14880). . Kindle Edition.

Menon, Ramesh (2012-12-09). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering (Kindle Locations 14848-14865). . Kindle Edition.
Menon, Ramesh (2012-12-09). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering (Kindle Locations 14822-14831). . Kindle Edition.
Menon, Ramesh (2012-12-09). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering (Kindle Locations 14831-14848). . Kindle Edition.
Edited by LeadNitrate - 11 years ago
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AND today's bit where Balram beats up Duri Jaan has been "borrowed" from Ramesh Menon's Krishna and tweaked. But hey what does RM know; he is not holy grail of IF.

"O Ananta!" Duryodhana begs him, "Supporter of everything, we seek refuge in you." His purpose accomplished , and easily pacified these days, Balarama shoulders his weapon.

Duryodhana falls at Balarama's feet, and solemnly begs his master's protection for ever, protection that the fond Yadava grants him. Shrewdly, presciently, Duryodhana elicits the promise.

Which is why Balarama takes no part at Kurukshetra, in the Mahabharata yuddha that was fought on the crack of the ages; For if Balarama had fought for the Pandavas, by himself he would have razed the Kauravas in a day, and the mettle of Yudhishtira and his brothers would never have been tested.

Menon, Ramesh (2013-01-14). KRISHNA (Kindle Location 3831-3840). . Kindle Edition.


Its a pity, really!!!
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