'Mahabharat- Different Versions -Perspectives' - Page 33

Originally posted by: DrModel

@ Bheegi

The day Yuganta is available on the Kindle, I will buy it and read it; waiting for that day.

As for Karan wanting to kill Pandavas; there is a school of thought that states that he KNEW Shakti would never harm Arjun. He KNEW the Lord of the Universe protected Arjun. He also knew of his curses and he also knew Indra was going to come and ask for his Shield/Earrings. He also knew that it was the Lord of the Universe who held the secret of his birth and would tell him.

And YET, in his quest for greatness he gave away the Shield. he could have said NO but that would not earn him the tag of danveer Karna. He wanted his name to go down in history; why should Arjun have the glory of being Gandivdhari Arjuna; it was honor and greatness that he sought the most. Honor to be equal to the Pandavas.

And his search for honor is what took him to HP and got Duri to give him Ang raj

Also his issue with being called sudh putra and rejected and thus making it ok for him to insult DPadi. A woman has the right to marry whoever she chooses. One can be friends with everyone in the world but marriage is done amongst those who are equal to you. If had married him her kids would be sut putra ke putra which in those days was not acceptable to any woman of royal birth.

And she had taken a fancy to Arjun and wanted to marry him. Why should this union be prevented by a young man of inferior birth as per her POV?

Anyways the arguments for and against Karna are numerous. Everyone is entitled to what they think.

@Bold: What did he do in his quest for greatness?, He gave his shield because he didn't ever refuse a Brahmin at "that" time of the day, this was his sole reason. In the movie "Oh my god!", There is dialogue by Krishna, "I am a god not because I do magic, I do magic because I am a god", this example maybe stupid but it is applicable here, Karna did not donate his Kavach because he wanted to be a Danveer, He donated it because he was a Daanveer, There is a lot of difference between those two sentences.

So, Everything he did was for fame and nothing had an individual reason. No, he did everything for an individual reason.

The things he did made him great, Not that he did everything to be great.

Sorry for the late reply, I hardly follow this thread.

Originally posted by: DrModel

@ Bheegi

The day Yuganta is available on the Kindle, I will buy it and read it; waiting for that day.

As for Karan wanting to kill Pandavas; there is a school of thought that states that he KNEW Shakti would never harm Arjun. He KNEW the Lord of the Universe protected Arjun. He also knew of his curses and he also knew Indra was going to come and ask for his Shield/Earrings. He also knew that it was the Lord of the Universe who held the secret of his birth and would tell him.

And YET, in his quest for greatness he gave away the Shield. he could have said NO but that would not earn him the tag of danveer Karna. He wanted his name to go down in history; why should Arjun have the glory of being Gandivdhari Arjuna; it was honor and greatness that he sought the most. Honor to be equal to the Pandavas.

And his search for honor is what took him to HP and got Duri to give him Ang raj

Also his issue with being called sudh putra and rejected and thus making it ok for him to insult DPadi. A woman has the right to marry whoever she chooses. One can be friends with everyone in the world but marriage is done amongst those who are equal to you. If had married him her kids would be sut putra ke putra which in those days was not acceptable to any woman of royal birth.

And she had taken a fancy to Arjun and wanted to marry him. Why should this union be prevented by a young man of inferior birth as per her POV?

Anyways the arguments for and against Karna are numerous. Everyone is entitled to what they think.

I agree with you with regards to Karna. He had the chance of turning down such an absurd and presumptuous request. Yet he chose to give away the kavach-kundal. Not only was this irrational as he already knew the real purpose behind Indra's disguise, but he also reduced his chances of surviving in war and helping his friend Duryodhan win. It was eternal glory that was more important to Karna, who always knew that he deserved better than what was due to him, and he knew he would achieve this eternal glory through the danveer tag. He himself says that he wants to go down in history as the greatest danveer when he gives away his most prized possessions. Whether he sought honour befitting the Pandavas, I do not know.

I think there is confusion about whether Krishna was pro war or not

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

@Bold: What did he do in his quest for greatness?, He gave his shield because he didn't ever refuse a Brahmin at "that" time of the day, this was his sole reason. In the movie "Oh my god!", There is dialogue by Krishna, "I am a god not because I do magic, I do magic because I am a god", this example maybe stupid but it is applicable here, Karna did not donate his Kavach because he wanted to be a Danveer, He donated it because he was a Daanveer, There is a lot of difference between those two sentences.

So, Everything he did was for fame and nothing had an individual reason. No, he did everything for an individual reason.

The things he did made him great, Not that he did everything to be great.

Sorry for the late reply, I hardly follow this thread.

Thanks for sharing Bheegi I really liked the Ramesh Menon's perspective on the after math of Vastraharan during their exile it is quite homologus to the KMG texts .I would like to appreciate the question posed by Krishna "Why does Draupadi have to stay in forests?" I truely believe she was the sinless one who was punished along with the Pandav brothers.

hey all, i went thru most pages and found the mentioned books very interesting..i have read Jaya, POI and lesser known series called the "Krishnavatara" by Dr. K.M.Munshi.. i had read the latter as a child and it was the first literary perspective of the MB other than BRC's MB on tv..i wud suggest all to give it a read if u'd like a glimpse of lives of Krishna, the Yadavs, Drupad's family, Jarasandha, even Ved Vyas..its sources are believed to be the Srimad Bhagvad Gita, the VishnuPuran and the MB..it has 7 books, last of which is incomplete coz Dr. Munshi expired before completing it.. the books are : the magic flute, wrath of an emperor, the five brothers, book of bhima, book of satyabhama, book of Ved Vyas and the book of yudhishthira..it was my first "big" book of mythology after Amar Chitra Katha and i had loved the stories mentioned..

Has Bibek debroy completed the translation of the Critical Edition?, , As far as I know he has only published the 1st book "Volume 1 - Adi Parva".

Originally posted by: anu rulz

hey all, i went thru most pages and found the mentioned books very interesting..i have read Jaya, POI and lesser known series called the "Krishnavatara" by Dr. K.M.Munshi.. i had read the latter as a child and it was the first literary perspective of the MB other than BRC's MB on tv..i wud suggest all to give it a read if u'd like a glimpse of lives of Krishna, the Yadavs, Drupad's family, Jarasandha, even Ved Vyas..its sources are believed to be the Srimad Bhagvad Gita, the VishnuPuran and the MB..it has 7 books, last of which is incomplete coz Dr. Munshi expired before completing it.. the books are : the magic flute, wrath of an emperor, the five brothers, book of bhima, book of satyabhama, book of Ved Vyas and the book of yudhishthira..it was my first "big" book of mythology after Amar Chitra Katha and i had loved the stories mentioned..

I have read one of krishnavatar series. that one was "paanch pandava" it was a captivating book and first book for me abt mb.I wish yo read others.

@srishti: they are all amazingly written..the innocence of the characters, the magic of Krishna, its all given beautifully.. i liked the bond between Uddhava and Krishna, how satyaki became a friend..when balram courted revathy and their marriage..shaibya is one of Krishna's wives who i have not read of much, she has been given a lot of importance here..even the Pandavas, Kunti, their link to Krishna is given well..the book of bhima has the time period between draupadi's wedding and Indraprastha, given from bhima's POV..to be frank, his characterisation in BRC MB, i had not liked, but in the book, he is like a big cuddly kid..u cnt help but love him..