Suryadeva, Rishi Durvasa and abandonment - what should they have done?

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

#81

Originally posted by: 22pundirabhi
Kshatriyas p research ho rahi h😛 M aao.kya help k liye 🤣 🤣

Hello there, kshatriya lady. :)
Sadly the caste system 5000 years ago was quiet different and complex.

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#82

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

Even if Kunti was selfish in her motives I won't blame her! She sacrificed 1 child for 5. As I state in a previous post - the math on that one is heartbreakingly simple. Also, just because she placed the welfare of Pandavas ahead of Karna does not preclude her loving him on some level. Having raised the five and personally observed their sorrows and joys I cannot fault her for being attached to them more so.

100% agreed.She did love pandavas more their concern did come first for her and why not she was human.Please understand i dont blame kunti at all for that i completley understand that but one must one understand that if she was selfish for pandavas even in case of karna then that means she is unfair to karna.Great she sacrificed 1 child for 5 no issues great for those 5 or atleast 4 but think of that one.Just like even if she wanst good mother to karna doesnt mean that she wasnt a good mother to pandavas same way if she was good mother to pandavas it still means that she was a horrible mother to karna.I definately dont think she was a villian but yes she was unfair to karna

And regarding whether she loved him on some level or not no one can say for sure yes or no all we know from what is wriiten i have never seen any concern for karan in the sentences spoken by her.I have already posted an extract of that but if some one has read any sentence spoken by her that shows an ounce of concern for karna i will be glad to read it

In the end i just want to say Kunti is not a villian defiantely she was a great mother to pandavas but she was horrible mother to karna both are facts and i one should accept both not just one side of the coin

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#83

Originally posted by: medha00
Sutas were kshatriyas of mix blood, offsprings of upper cast(brahman) mother and kshatriya father.They were a respectable community.Saying that being called a sutaputra is insult is degrading them all.
Yayeti(khsatriya) and shukracharyas daughter devyani(?) had a son yadu who is qualified as a suta.

I think this has already been discussed that callinga sut putra wasnt an insult but something else was in any case i dont think this is the right topic to discuss this since another character's name who has nothing got to do with this topic will be dragged in it already this topic has deviated alot so lets not deviate more if this point needs to be discussed we can have another thread

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Illegitimate children were not accepted in those days, and no man married a woman who already had a child, even if the God had made Kunti a virgin again as he promised. No matter how noble Pandu may have been, he would never have accepted Kunti had she had Karna with her. Illegitimacy was a worse reputation than being of lower caste. At least lower caste people were respected and treated like humans if they were legitimate children. Illegitimate children were not accepted in any way shape or form by society.

I will try to find that citation for you. Give me a minute.

Then why was Ved Vyas so well respected and accepted.

Also krishna ji very clearly said that as per shastras Karna was Pandu's son just like other pandavas were

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smrth

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Many angles to look at Kunti the character. But what is Kunti's main role in the tale? Has she not fulfilled it adequately? With flaws- some real, some imagined, what is missed is her humane culpability and motherly role. Yes, for a very charge of 'abandoning' this role w.r.t. Karna- with arguably 'valid' compulsions as a panicked 'single and unwed parent'- she rose up sterlingly in other case. Had she not brought up five fine human beings as single parent?

Add an important fact. She 'failed' with Karna- her own son. Then there are Sahdev and Nakul; her stepsons! And what is the account on this? She loved and cared for them more than her real sons. Is not this reason enough to admire her as a 'better' human? I for one respect her for this single evidence.

Edited by smrth - 11 years ago

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#86

Originally posted by: medha00
Sutas were kshatriyas of mix blood, offsprings of upper cast(brahman) mother and kshatriya father.They were a respectable community.Saying that being called a sutaputra is insult is degrading them all.
Yayeti(khsatriya) and shukracharyas daughter devyani(?) had a son yadu who is qualified as a suta.

calling sutaputra is different from being looked down.. i think am writing this 20th time here .. I can say 'Mr A is an American' in an appreciating tone and also offending tone.. though the words are same it does make a difference..

Ok Yadu was technically a Suta.. But Varaali said in D&D that Sukracharya nullified the fact when he got Devyani married to Yayati.. If Sutas are respectable as Kshatriyas with no less entitlement, why this nullifying?

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: medha00
Kunti did not left the baby to die, when the setting ufloat in a bucket was done do you think they would be careless about the childs life? she did it with the fathers consent who protected the child till he was picked off.Suryadeva obviously didnt give her a child and went his merry sunny way when he knew that kunti didnt want the baby.

All are repeating this 😕 Am looking for the citation for this.. would you be able to help.. sadly for the sake of this discussion am searching for something that I believe is not there 😆

Edited by ...Diala... - 11 years ago

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

#88

Kunti being a horrible mother to karna is out of the question since she was not-a-mother at all to him.
Kunti was the mother of four children but she was not the mother to the first.Radha was the mother to karna though she was not the mother of karna.
And kunti was not the mother of nakul and sahdeva but she was more of a mother to them than she was to children she was the mother of.This kind of person cant be a horrible mother to anyone.

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Medha:let me rephrase so that you can understand i am trying to say in her duties as a mother to Karna she failed miserably and horribly

smrth:Agreed completely.About pandavas and nakul and sahdev as well she was a wonderfull mother to them she even loved nakul and sahdev a lot who werent her sons at all and she deserves all the respect in the world for that but that doesnt mean i will ignore what she did to karna.If i appreciate her for bringing up pandavas in such an excellent manner i will also criticize her for miserably failing in her duties towards karna.I think its possible to do both see both positive and negative side of a character.Like i said i wont just see one part of the coin and ignore the other but if someone wants to see just one part of the coin that is their choice but personally for any character i will see both positive and negative not just one side.I repsect kunti for panadavs but not for karna

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Kunti gave up the child the day he was born, and while doing so she also gave up any right/claim to the child.And with that she also discarded any responsability/duties as a mother to him.He belonged to only his adopted parents and only radha was the mother to him.Kunti failing in her duties as a mother to him is not valid here.

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