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Posted: 11 years ago
#21
I was also talking about the post Lakshagraha trekking 😆

This last journey, Shruti brought in because I asked if Bhima is shown to be a foodie anywhere in the text 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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In the first chapter of Vaka vadh, it's mentioned how the food was divided, clearly indicating that Bhima had the appetite of Kunti+YANS.

"Vaisampayana said, 'Those mighty car-warriors, the sons of Kunti, on arriving at Ekachakra, lived for a short time in the abode of a Brahmana. Leading an eleemosynary life, they behold (in course of their wanderings) various delightful forests and earthly regions, and many rivers and lakes, and they became great favourites of the inhabitants of that town in consequence of their own accomplishments. At nightfall they placed before Kunti all they gathered in their mendicant tours, and Kunti used to divide the whole amongst them, each taking what was allotted to him. And those heroic chastisers of foes, with their mother, together took one moiety of the whole, while the mighty Bhima alone took the other moiety. In this way, O bull of Bharata's race, the illustrious Pandavas lived there for some time.


By moiety, I'm assuming that Bhima had an equal amount as the rest. Which would mean half to both.

The other indication that Bhima was a glutton was in the Bakasura story itself - when he goes to the cave on the cart w/ all the rakshasha's food, he eats it all up, and only then fights the rakshasha. 😆

"Vaisampayana continued, 'Then, when the night passed away, Bhimasena, the son of Pandu, taking with him the Rakshasa's food set out for the place where the cannibal lived. The mighty son of Pandu, approaching the forest where the Rakshasa dwelt, began to eat himself the food he carried, calling loudly to the Rakshasa by name. The Rakshasa, inflamed with anger at Bhima's words, came out and approached the place where Bhima was.

"Of huge body and great strength, of red eyes, red beard, and red hair, he was terrible to behold, and he came, pressing deep the earth with his tread. The opening of his mouth, was from ear to ear and his ears themselves were straight as arrows. Of grim visage, he had a forehead furrowed into three lines. Beholding Bhima eating his food, the Rakshasa advanced, biting his nether lip and expanding his eyes in wrath. And addressing Bhima he said, 'Who is this fool, who desiring to go to the abode of Yama, eateth in my very sight the food intended for me?' Hearing these words, Bhima, O Bharata, smiled in derision and disregarding the Rakshasa, continued eating with averted face. Beholding this, the cannibal uttered a frightful yell and with both arms upraised ran at Bhima desiring to kill him, there and then. Even then disregarding the Rakshasa and casting only a single glance at him, Vrikodara, that slayer of hostile heroes continued to eat the Rakshasa's food.


Short story - Bakasura had to fight & die hungry. Maybe that was the reason Bhima was denied that trip to heaven? Had he let Bakasura eat b4 killing him on a full stomach (Bakasura's), he'd have made it to heaven 😈
Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

In the first chapter of Vaka vadh, it's mentioned how the food was divided, clearly indicating that Bhima had the appetite of Kunti+YANS.


By moiety, I'm assuming that Bhima had an equal amount as the rest. Which would mean half to both.

The other indication that Bhima was a glutton was in the Bakasura story itself - when he goes to the cave on the cart w/ all the rakshasha's food, he eats it all up, and only then fights the rakshasha. 😆


Short story - Bakasura had to fight & die hungry. Maybe that was the reason Bhima was denied that trip to heaven? Had he let Bakasura eat b4 killing him on a full stomach (Bakasura's), he'd have made it to heaven 😈


Everyone of the Pandavas made it to heaven. However like others, Bhima went to hell temporarily because he did not follow Dharma on many occasions. First was when he participated in fooling Drona by killing Ashwatthama (the elephant). Then when he violated the rules of mace fight by hitting Duryodhana in the feet.

In reality, Bhima was the true follower of Lord Krishna. His commands were always followed by Bhima without question. Arjuna in many occasions defied Lord Krishna (even after knowing who he really was and having seen his Vishwaroop).

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Posted: 11 years ago
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you mean Bakasura died of starvation? 😲

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shripadk

Everyone of the Pandavas made it to heaven. However like others, Bhima went to hell temporarily because he did not follow Dharma on many occasions. First was when he participated in fooling Drona by killing Ashwatthama (the elephant). Then when he violated the rules of mace fight by hitting Duryodhana in the feet.



The goal wasn't going to heaven: the goal was getting to heaven alive in their human form. Except Yudisthir, none of them achieved this, and the reasons were all different - Draupadi's partiality towards Arjun in her 'heart of hearts', Sahadev's vanity about his wisdom, Nakul's about his appearance, Arjun's about his valor and Bhima's about his strength, as well as his gluttony. As a result, only Yudisthir got to swargalok alive.

If you recall, Pandu too, after he abdicated, one day saw some rishis walking, and on learning that they were going to heaven, wanted to join them. However, he was declined, being told that he had to have a son. Of course, he couldn't, and that started the whole dilemma about how to get them. And once he had them, he had a new reason to live.

As a result, after his death, this was a dream of the Pandavas as well - to get to heaven alive. Hence, after the demise of Krishna, they all set about it, but except Yudisthir, sadly none of them made it

Ddiala, yeah, Bakasura had to die while starving! Mean Bhima!!! 🤣

P.S. Bhima did not lie about Ashwatthama - he made it a true statement, and he did not go to hell for attacking Duryodhan on the thigh. He would have if he didn't, since he'd then have broken his vow.
Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Poor Bakku.. We should add him to the tragic heros list of Mahabharat 😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Baku is welcome in the Kaurava AT. Remember, his son Alambusha fought the war on the Kaurava side, and even Bhima couldn't defeat him - Ghatotkacha was the one who killed him. As a result, both Alambusha & Baku belong in the Kaurava AT. I want to see more Baku, and less Karna in that AT 😈
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Just keeping my fingers crossed that Bakasur track is shown.I dont have very high hopes but still i really wish they show
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Baku is welcome in the Kaurava AT. Remember, his son Alambusha fought the war on the Kaurava side, and even Bhima couldn't defeat him - Ghatotkacha was the one who killed him. As a result, both Alambusha & Baku belong in the Kaurava AT. I want to see more Baku, and less Karna in that AT 😈



I understand your pain Thread Maker 😆

I tried pulling in Adiratha and Radha but no co-operation.. what to do 🤣 Only A-A-A 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.


P.S. Bhima did not lie about Ashwatthama - he made it a true statement, and he did not go to hell for attacking Duryodhan on the thigh. He would have if he didn't, since he'd then have broken his vow.


I did not say Bhima lied about Ashwatthama. I just said that he participated in the act of fooling Drona.

Nevertheless, none of the Pandavas went to hell. The idea that I was communicating was the reason why the Pandavas went to pseudo-hell even though they were on the side of "dharma". The reason is not mentioned in the Ved Vyas Mahabharat for all Pandavas (only Yudhisthir's reason is mentioned)... its my own interpretation. But ofcourse it depends on whose translation you are reading. I'm referring to Kisar Mohan Ganguli's translation of Ved Vyas Mahabharat (the reason I refer to this is that its nearly accurate transliteration of the Sanskrit scripture without any extra additions or deletions). In that translation, Yudhishtira doesn't go to heaven directly. He first goes through what is known as pseudo-hell (or temporary hell) before ascending to heaven. The common notion is that he went to heaven with his body. This is not true. He went to pseudo-hell with his body (which also contained a fake heaven showing Duryodhana and Kauravas enjoying heaven). But after experiencing pseudo-hell the illusion is removed and he then casts off his human body beside river Ganga. I'll quote some passages from that translation here:




"Hell, O son, should without doubt be beheld by every king. Of both good and bad there is abundance, O chief of men. He who enjoys first the fruits of his good acts must afterwards endure Hell. He, on the other hand, who first endures Hell, must afterwards enjoy Heaven. He whose sinful acts are many enjoys Heaven first. It is for this, O king, that desirous of doing thee good, I caused thee to be sent for having a view of Hell. Thou hadst, by a pretence, deceived Drona in the matter of his son. Thou hast, in consequence thereof, been shown Hell by an act of deception. After the manner of thyself, Bhima and Arjuna, and Draupadi, have all been shown the place of sinners by an act of deception. Come, O chief of men, all of them have been cleansed of their sins. All those kings who had aided thee and who have been slain in battle, have all attained to Heaven. Come and behold them, O foremost one of Bharata's race.

O son of Pritha, thy brothers, O king, were not such as to deserve Hell. All this has been an illusion created by the chief of the gods. Without doubt, all kings, O son, must once behold Hell. Hence hast thou for a little while been subjected to this great affliction. O king, neither Arjuna, nor Bhima, nor any of those foremost of men, viz., the twins, nor Karna, ever truthful in speech and possessed of great courage, could be deserving of Hell for a long time. The princess Krishna (Draupadi) too, O Yudhishthira, could not be deserving of that place of sinners. Come, come, O foremost one of the Bharatas, behold Ganga who spreads her current over the three worlds.

Thus addressed, that royal sage, viz., thy grandsire, proceeded with Dharma and all the other gods. Having bathed in the celestial river Ganga, sacred and sanctifying and ever adored by the Rishis, he cast off his human body. Assuming then a celestial form, king Yudhishthira the just, in consequence of that bath, became divested of all his enmities and grief. Surrounded by the deities, the Kuru king Yudhishthira then proceeded from that spot. He was accompanied by Dharma, and the great Rishis uttered his praises. Indeed, he reached that place where those foremost of men, those heroes, viz., the Pandavas and the Dhartarashtras, freed from (human) wrath, were enjoying each his respective status.

EDIT: Contrary to popular opinion, Yudhisthira was not the first to reach heaven. He was in fact the last. Pandavas and everyone who assisted them in the war had already reached heaven before he had (and everyone of them had to go through pseudo-hell).

Edited by shripadk - 11 years ago

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