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Shivpriya

@shivpriya

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Personally I don't believe in the demon-incarnation theory. But practically thinking- any body can become evil owing to his/her parent's upbringing, circumstances and influences. So even if dury was discarded, someother bro would have taken his place- bcoz the question of right to the throne was still there- Dhrit's ambitions were still there- and Shakuni's brainwashing was still there. If not Dury, it might have been Dusshasan, if not Dusshasan than someone else.

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simplysappie

@simplysappie

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Posted: 11 years ago

#12

Originally posted by Shruti Nice topic.

In case Dhrit would have abandoned Duryodhana considering the advice of the wise men, perhaps history would have been a bit different. Knowing that Duryo was actually demon Kali, I don't think Dusshasan would have been exactly like him. Shakuni and Dhrit's roles are quite important in how Duryo turned out to be...so perhaps Dusshasan and others would have been close to Duryodhana. But I doubt they would have been as impactive as Duryodhana was. Maybe...there would have been less damage..Karna's tale changes too, as Duryo befriended him.

I second that ..

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Diala D

@...Diala...

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Posted: 11 years ago

#13

to abandon the child.. does this mean killing or throwing away? throwing away I don't think can correct it.. he is the legal heir or not, he is still available to be a cause of destruction via some Plan B..

The current Dushi we see is the second born and he had no idea to become the King.. after the Gandharva fight, he gets emotional when Dury says that he will commit suicide and Dushi can take the thrown.. If Dury was killed, there are all possible chances that Dushi turns out to be the destroyer.. i don't think any Kshatriya of that time was a good boy to share or give away the land which he thinks belongs to him.. probably now we would be talking about the inhuman killing of the innocent first born of Gandhari..

after all ill omens were FYI notifications.. not FYA 😆

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GOLDIEE ABROL

@Gold.Abrol

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Posted: 11 years ago

#14

Nice thread dear

I would say that duryodhan n dushasan or any other kaurvas were grown in the ambitious desire of dhritrashtra which was the main cause that kauravas went to this extent n shakuni living with them made their situation even worse it was the impact of shakuni and dhritrashtra even if they discard duryodhan anyways which according to me is not suitable at all it will return to the same situation so I don't think it would be the case

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Ddiala
to abandon the child.. does this mean killing or throwing away? throwing away I don't think can correct it.. he is the legal heir or not, he is still available to be a cause of destruction via some Plan B..

The current Dushi we see is the second born and he had no idea to become the King.. after the Gandharva fight, he gets emotional when Dury says that he will commit suicide and Dushi can take the thrown.. If Dury was killed, there are all possible chances that Dushi turns out to be the destroyer.. i don't think any Kshatriya of that time was a good boy to share or give away the land which he thinks belongs to him.. probably now we would be talking about the inhuman killing of the innocent first born of Gandhari..

after all ill omens were FYI notifications.. not FYA 😆

Abandoning the child here meant adopting out the child & changing his legal parents - like what happened w/ Karna. In Karna's case, there was no father, just a mother; but in this case, it would have been up to Dhritarashtra to hand over Duryodhan say, to some rishi, so that his damage could be minimized. Or to a shudra. Then Duryodhan wouldn't have retained a Kaurava gotra - he'd have assumed the gotra of whoever adopted him, and once this happened, he'd have lost all rights in Dhritarashtra's succession. Like Karna assumed that of Adiratha. It wasn't necessary to kill him, although given Ganga's example, it wouldn't have been unprecedented for this dynasty.

The Dushashan you're describing above is one who grew up w/ Duryodhan and was too attached to him by then. But if @ childhood this was done, then the relationship b/w Duryodhan & Dushashan would have been similar to the relationship b/w Yudisthir & Karna: there would have been no loyalty, & Dushashan would have looked @ Duryodhan, even if this came out, as a potential challenger to him. His other 99 brothers, in this situation, would have supported him over Duryodhan, just like the Pandavas still supported Yudisthir after Karna's secret became known.

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Abandoning the child here meant adopting out the child & changing his legal parents - like what happened w/ Karna. In Karna's case, there was no father, just a mother; but in this case, it would have been up to Dhritarashtra to hand over Duryodhan say, to some rishi, so that his damage could be minimized. Or to a shudra. Then Duryodhan wouldn't have retained a Kaurava gotra - he'd have assumed the gotra of whoever adopted him, and once this happened, he'd have lost all rights in Dhritarashtra's succession. Like Karna assumed that of Adiratha. It wasn't necessary to kill him, although given Ganga's example, it wouldn't have been unprecedented for this dynasty.

The Dushashan you're describing above is one who grew up w/ Duryodhan and was too attached to him by then. But if @ childhood this was done, then the relationship b/w Duryodhan & Dushashan would have been similar to the relationship b/w Yudisthir & Karna: there would have been no loyalty, & Dushashan would have looked @ Duryodhan, even if this came out, as a potential challenger to him. His other 99 brothers, in this situation, would have supported him over Duryodhan, just like the Pandavas still supported Yudisthir after Karna's secret became known.

I din't mean to bring in Dury Dushi relationship post abandonment.. what I say is we might find Dushi to be a Dumbo or Better person compared to Dury.. but if Dury weren't there he would have just made a Duryodhan v 1.1

and as far as abandoning is concerned, I think the omens are valid as long as he is alive.. just a thought.. and again.. if at all omens are true to believe, then they are FYI.. no action can negate it..

to be precise, I will say, i voted for option 2 😆😆😆

Edited by Ddiala - 11 years ago

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Janaki

@RamKiSeeta

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Posted: 11 years ago

#17

I am not sure whether the Kauravas would have been "friends" with the Pandavas had Duryodhan been discarded, since Shakuni was just as likely to poison Dushashan and Dhritarastra would still have been a bad parent, but I do think the story would have been a little different.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#18

But in the MB, the only plot that Shakuni took part in prior to the dice game was the house of lac, and this plot actually happened @ the behest of Dhritarashtra.

I think the majority is right - while Dushashan may have been more passive than Duryodhan, there would still have been at least a cold war b/w the Pandavas & Kauravas, if not an out & out Kurukshetra

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