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Posted: 11 years ago
#81
@John
its the Kali Age, he was said to be the reincarnation of Kali demon.

So what do you expect? It is Kali Raaj. Subjects are devoted to the King.😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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excellent post ya duryodhana character was really shadow in mahabarth .ya he even last time was maintained as good friend and good son. and good warrior.. good enemy. in mahabartha 👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat

Completely agree with each n every point of yours Medha.

The only good thing Duryodhan ever did was that he was nice to Karna, n cried after Karna's death.
He befriended Karna only bcoz he saw a powerful ally in him, n not bcoz he was against caste-system.
I don't see Duryodhan making friends with any other "Sutaputra" throughout the epic.
Someone, who emotionally blackmails his "friend" Karna n ever-loyal uncle Shakuni in fear of having the Pandavas back, n goes to the forest to enjoy watching the Pandavas living in poverty, after all the things he had already done to them...he can be anything but good.
And he died like a true warrior? Really?
After a life-time of cheating n then causing the molestation of his own sister-in-law, he gets credit for being fair in the end?
He may have been a great warrior, but his life is full of sins.
Karna had reasons to be bitter in his life, for he was deprived of a lot of things.
But what was Duryodhan deprived of?
Whatever he wanted, he had eventually.
He had Hastinapur initially, n then the whole of Kuru kingdom, while the Pandavas were in exile.
Yet he was not satisfied. After acquiring the whole kingdom, he went to the forest to see the plight of the Pandavas, n was unhappy. Why?
Bcoz the Pandavas still had the copper vessel given to them by Surya Dev.
How much jealousy and insecurity can one have?


He genuinely became friends with Karna only later, and at later points Dhritrashtra himself was not happy about it.

I mean the son was practically drunk on power and illusion of invincibility thanks to this, and Dhritrashtra often complained that under Karnas influence he became like that which i think was the opposite of the truth, but anyways. It was finally when he was alone, war almost over that he actually even admitted to have been deceiving the Pandavas, even Krishna and bringing despair to the family at every point. It is like when close to death, you start gaining back some sense and maturity and even guilt.

His dark humor, finding pleasure in other peoples sorrow, i dont know where that had come from but it was there. The going in forest thing for one.

And had he been actually satisfied with what he had got, like HP? and not be so jealous of Pandavas {who built a city of their own, not something their father was handing down to them} perhaps we could have had a different history with both the families happy and prosperous.

But you know the child, who wants something and after acquiring it throws it away just to set his eyes on something else which is not his? Yeah.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: john909


oh i didnt know. just googled it and i find the whole thing outrageous.. duryodhan a hero??in what universe? you know there was a show called ravan which showed ramayana from ravan's perspective and it still did justice to the real story without making the good guys look like bad guys but here in this novel just for sake of publicity a guy like duri is made a hero. u should read about the author who claimed that ravana use to come this dreams to make him write ramayana from ravan's perspective. wonder what he has to say about his novel ajaya. did duri come and haunted his dreams too??


Well you got me wrong, by "Sadly" I wanted to mean fortunately

The writer's work is a great piece of literature

why he wrote a book on Duryadhan to learn about that you need to read the preface of the book, or you can talk to him directly in twitter.

P.S:- I don't think he wrote the book just for publicity




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: panchaali


Well you got me wrong, by "Sadly" I wanted to mean luckily

The writer's work is a great piece of literature

why he wrote a book on Duryadhan to learn about that you need to read the preface of the book, or you can talk to him directly in twitter.

P.S:- I don't think he wrote the book just for publicity

one line from the preface:
"Though named Suyodhana, the Pandavas used the derogatory 'Dur' to slander him as 'one who does not know how to wield power or arms'."

Duryodhan means unconquerable one. 😭

But I'll admit his preface sort of wanted me to continue reading ... then I just went dead when I came across that sentence. But this is a pro-Duryodhan story so I'm not that surprised with that sentence in the preface.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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And the fact that there is so much wrong with that one line in the preface.
I guess anyone would think that su and dur are opposite so duryodhana is derogatory and suyodhana is all good and raibows.
And even though the author claims that pandavas coined the term to mock him, it is usually them (esp. Yudhi bhaiya) who keeps calling him suyodhana.
While the daddy himself is happy with the "mockery" durdyodhana and seems to use it the most.
As if adding su & dur will change the person and his deeds magically.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shyam09

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one line from the preface:
"Though named Suyodhana, the Pandavas used the derogatory 'Dur' to slander him as 'one who does not know how to wield power or arms'."

Duryodhan means unconquerable one. 😭

But I'll admit his preface sort of wanted me to continue reading ... then I just went dead when I came across that sentence. But this is a pro-Duryodhan story so I'm not that surprised with that sentence in the preface.


The book depicts the Pandavas as the rigid caste driven discriminatory rulers. They all are dogmatics who gleefully encourage caste discrimination where merit has no place.

Suyodhana is the Buddha - ish who is a firm Human-Animal right activist.

Apparently he could not shoot the Parrot because he could not find it in himself to look at the poor thing as a target.
It was a living being, damnit.

Every 15-20 pages Suyodhana goes around the city visiting the Poor.

This reminded me of how when asking Dhritrashtra to send Pandavas to Varnavrath, he tells the Daddy that seeing all the citizens are so fond of Yudhishthira and Pandavas, they need to be separated while Duryodhana can do his magic on the Citizens, by giving them lots and lots of gold.😃

So Neelkantha is not that off mark.

Suyodhana is the firm believer of Personal merit and equality, here. The Human -Animal Rights Advocate is a nice angle.

Best example of his belief in equality and human rights is Karna. Which the Author obviously told beautifully.

Best example of his failure in equality and personal merit front, Krishna who he refused to raise his own weapon against because Krishna was born in a jail, He was through and through Kansa's Slave and Duryodhana was a Monarch with a Capital M.

This the Author did not tell at all.😃 Doesn't fit with the story.

Since Krishna is not included in the same category of Samarthya warrior and neither does his merit exceed his birth.😃😃

Or perhaps because it will not fit with the image of the Kauravas, especially Suyodhana being sensitive, emotional, kind and generous Human Rights Advocate.


The Best thing about the Book is that in this version 'No Vastra Haran" took place. Draupadi was not disrobed. And Suyodhana is relieved off this misdeed/crime.

After all that was Duryodhana not Suyodhana. A human Rights Advocate will not have a slave disrobed in Public.

My only complain is that Author should have used more incidents from the book instead of inventing so many more to make the Kauravas look gracious charitable and humble people.
Would that have been possible?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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After reading 12 pages, I have noticed that all misdeeds of Duryodhan are blamed on Shakuni... I would say one thing...Duri was no kid...he was a mature man...he shud be alone held responsible for his misdeeds... even if Shakuni tried to brainwash him to do bad stuff, Duri would be considered as adharmi coz he was the actor... however much you blame shakuni, Duri's wrongs were his own misdeeds...not shakuni's... Though Shakuni did assist him in it...
Also, I dont agree with the fact that Duri was not a villain... In all the senses, he molested a woman in a court full of men... So yes...he was a villain... he wanted to forcibly have sexual relations with Draupadi, who was his sister-in-law...so yes...he is a villain!
I understand that all things cant be black and white...and even if Pandavas also tricked and used wrong ways...yet they never outraged the modesty of a woman... In my eyes, the crime committed by Duryodhan was far worse than any other wrong deed done by him or Pandavs... soyes...he is a villain!

If he had the guts, he could have won the empire by war..but no! he used treachery...and that was not enough to satisfy his ego...that he molested and disrobed Draupadi calling her a hoer... So yes...he is a villain! And im sorry to hear that in any book...Duri and his brothers are presented as heros because what he did cannot be forgiven and forgotten! You may justify this with anything that Drau or Pandavs might have done...bt for me, this crime cannot be justified at any level!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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duruyodhana can fight for his right...but the path he did choose was wrong..its not the elderst son should be throne.😲..its the elder among the grandsons should be throne the king..if i am not worong yudhistra was the eldest...cfan i ask you one thing., when pandu left everything behind for his brother...shouldn't they consider his thayag..i will tell you the real mahabharath is not to justify the wrong deeds...its all said to think about our jealousy., about our itcha to conquer., its all about humans itcha...i can never accept duryodhana as a nice person...he can never be...but every person as a good quality like pure friendship...so you feel for his just one nice quality he should be spared...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Duryodhan's claim to the throne is not at all right. Now yes. Even if we say Pandavas did not carry Kuru clan blood, as they are sons of Kunti with each God, then Dhritarashtra and Pandu are not from the Kuru Clan either. That is not the way to see the claim to the throne. Kunti asks for a son, and she was married to Pandu. The respective god gives the child as a boon to the Luru Clan. It was sort of a blessing as a child to the clan itself. Yudhishtir was the first born. He is the one who has claim to the throne after Pandu. According to me, this is correct. Just coz Pandavs were demigods, doesn't mean they don't get their right based on their human father. And one more point, every character of Mahabharata is grey. There is no character without any flaws.(includes Krishna in my opinion. No offence.) Bad characters/negative ones also possess good qualities. Duryodhan is no exception. He has many good points. But what kind of a person are you depends a great deal on your choices. Duryodhan chose wrong. But I have great objection on the order that he should have been killed coz his birth signified evil omen. No. Nobody is born bad. According to me. It's your choices that make you what you are far more than abilities. But abilities are important. So, I do supprt Duryodhan in some cases. And now about the war cheating, I think Pandavs were capable enough to win the war. Krishna was in their side too. They did not need to cheat. Especially the Bheem and Duryodhan yudh. I don't support the breaking of the rule. Duryodhan was a great warrior. It's a good point. But sadly, he is far much more negative than positive.

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